120 GB hard drive on old P75

[Carl D. Blake]

I am trying to install a 120 GB hard drive as a third hard drive on a
Pentium 75 with a cmd640 IDE interface. I am attempting to replace a
60GB hard drive that has been working without any problems. When I
install the 120GB hard drive Linux only sees it as a 132 MB hard drive.
Does anyone know what I can do to fix this? Below is the boot up
messages with the 60GB hard drive as the third drive (hdc) and the 120
GB hard drive as the fourth drive (hdd).

Jul 11 14:31:45 gondolin kernel: Loaded 15335 symbols from
/boot/System.map-2.4.20-3-586tsc.
Jul 11 14:31:45 gondolin kernel: Symbols match kernel version 2.4.20.
Jul 11 14:31:45 gondolin kernel: Loaded 196 symbols from 11 modules.
Jul 11 14:31:45 gondolin kernel: Linux version 2.4.20-3-586tsc
(herbert@gondolin) (gcc version 3.3 (Debian)) #1 Sat Jun 7 21:34:16 EST
2003
Jul 11 14:31:45 gondolin kernel: BIOS-provided physical RAM map:
Jul 11 14:31:45 gondolin kernel: BIOS-88: 0000000000000000 -
000000000009f000 (usable)
Jul 11 14:31:45 gondolin kernel: BIOS-88: 0000000000100000 -
0000000002800000 (usable)
Jul 11 14:31:45 gondolin kernel: 40MB LOWMEM available.
Jul 11 14:31:45 gondolin kernel: On node 0 totalpages: 10240
Jul 11 14:31:45 gondolin kernel: zone(0): 4096 pages.
Jul 11 14:31:45 gondolin kernel: zone(1): 6144 pages.
Jul 11 14:31:45 gondolin kernel: zone(2): 0 pages.
Jul 11 14:31:45 gondolin kernel: Kernel command line: auto
BOOT_IMAGE=Linux ro root=341
Jul 11 14:31:45 gondolin kernel: No local APIC present or hardware
disabled
Jul 11 14:31:45 gondolin kernel: Initializing CPU#0
Jul 11 14:31:45 gondolin kernel: Console: colour VGA+ 80x25
Jul 11 14:31:45 gondolin kernel: Calibrating delay loop... 30.00
BogoMIPS
Jul 11 14:31:45 gondolin kernel: Memory: 35480k/40960k available (900k
kernel code, 5092k reserved, 387k data, 88k init, 0k highmem)
Jul 11 14:31:45 gondolin kernel: Dentry cache hash table entries: 8192
(order: 4, 65536 bytes)
Jul 11 14:31:45 gondolin kernel: Inode cache hash table entries: 4096
(order: 3, 32768 bytes)
Jul 11 14:31:45 gondolin kernel: Mount-cache hash table entries: 1024
(order: 1, 8192 bytes)
Jul 11 14:31:45 gondolin kernel: Buffer-cache hash table entries: 1024
(order: 0, 4096 bytes)
Jul 11 14:31:45 gondolin kernel: Page-cache hash table entries: 16384
(order: 4, 65536 bytes)
Jul 11 14:31:45 gondolin kernel: Intel Pentium with F0 0F bug -
workaround enabled.
Jul 11 14:31:46 gondolin diald[357]: start tap0: SIOCSIFMETRIC:
Operation not supported
Jul 11 14:31:45 gondolin kernel: CPU: After generic, caps: 000001bf
00000000 00000000 00000000
Jul 11 14:31:46 gondolin kernel: CPU: Common caps: 000001bf
00000000 00000000 00000000
Jul 11 14:31:46 gondolin kernel: CPU: Intel Pentium 75 - 200 stepping 01
Jul 11 14:31:46 gondolin kernel: Hmm, FPU with FDIV bug.
Jul 11 14:31:46 gondolin kernel: Checking 'hlt' instruction... OK.
Jul 11 14:31:46 gondolin kernel: POSIX conformance testing by UNIFIX
Jul 11 14:31:46 gondolin kernel: PCI: PCI BIOS revision 2.10 entry at
0xf9160, last bus=0
Jul 11 14:31:46 gondolin kernel: PCI: Using configuration type 1
Jul 11 14:31:46 gondolin kernel: PCI: Probing PCI hardware
Jul 11 14:31:46 gondolin kernel: Linux NET4.0 for Linux 2.4
Jul 11 14:31:46 gondolin kernel: Based upon Swansea University Computer
Society NET3.039
Jul 11 14:31:46 gondolin kernel: Initializing RT netlink socket
Jul 11 14:31:46 gondolin kernel: Starting kswapd
Jul 11 14:31:46 gondolin kernel: VFS: Diskquotas version dquot_6.4.0
initialized
Jul 11 14:31:46 gondolin kernel: devfs: v1.12c (20020818) Richard Gooch
(rgooch@atnf.csiro.au)
Jul 11 14:31:46 gondolin kernel: devfs: boot_options: 0x0
Jul 11 14:31:46 gondolin kernel: Detected PS/2 Mouse Port.
Jul 11 14:31:46 gondolin kernel: pty: 256 Unix98 ptys configured
Jul 11 14:31:46 gondolin kernel: Serial driver version 5.05c
(2001-07-08) with HUB-6 MANY_PORTS MULTIPORT SHARE_IRQ SERIAL_PCI
enabled
Jul 11 14:31:46 gondolin kernel: ttyS00 at 0x03f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A
Jul 11 14:31:46 gondolin kernel: ttyS01 at 0x02f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A
Jul 11 14:31:46 gondolin kernel: RAMDISK driver initialized: 16 RAM
disks of 4096K size 1024 blocksize
Jul 11 14:31:46 gondolin kernel: Cronyx Ltd, Synchronous PPP and CISCO
HDLC (c) 1994
Jul 11 14:31:46 gondolin kernel: Linux port (c) 1998 Building Number
Three Ltd & Jan "Yenya" Kasprzak.
Jul 11 14:31:46 gondolin kernel: NET4: Linux TCP/IP 1.0 for NET4.0
Jul 11 14:31:46 gondolin kernel: IP Protocols: ICMP, UDP, TCP, IGMP
Jul 11 14:31:46 gondolin kernel: IP: routing cache hash table of 512
buckets, 4Kbytes
Jul 11 14:31:46 gondolin kernel: TCP: Hash tables configured
(established 4096 bind 8192)
Jul 11 14:31:46 gondolin kernel: Linux IP multicast router 0.06 plus
PIM-SM
Jul 11 14:31:46 gondolin kernel: RAMDISK: cramfs filesystem found at
block 0
Jul 11 14:31:46 gondolin kernel: RAMDISK: Loading 3000 blocks [1 disk]
into ram disk...
|^H/^H-^H\^H|^H/^H-^H\^H|^H/^H-^H\^H|^H/^H-^H\^H|^H/^H-^H\^H|^H/^H-^H\^H|^H/^H-^H\^H|^H/^H-^H\^H|^H/^H-^H\^H|^H/^H-^H\^H|^H/^H-^H\^H|^H/^H-^H\^H|^H/^H-^H\^H|^H/^H-^H\^H|^H/^H-^H\^H|^H/^H-^H\^H|^H/^H-^H\^H|^H/^H-^H\^H|^H/^H-^H\^H|^H/^H-^H\^H|^H/^H-^H\^H|^H/^H-^H\^H|^H/^H-^H\^H|^H/^H-^H\^H|^H/^H-^H\^H|^H/^H-^H\^H|^H/^H-^H\^H|^H/^H-^H\^H|^H/^H-^H\^H|^H/^H-^H\^H|^H/^H-^H\^H|^H/^H-^H\^H|^H/^H-^H\^H|^H/^H-^H\^H|^H/^H-^H\^H|^H/^H-^H\^H|^H/^H-^H\^H|^H/^H-^H\^H|^H/^H-^H\^H|^H/^H-^H\^H|^H/^H-^H\^H|^H/^H-^H\^H|^H/^H-^H\^H|^H/^H-^H\^H|^H/^H-^H\^H|^H/^H-^H\^H|^H/^H-^H\^Hdone.
Jul 11 14:31:46 gondolin kernel: Freeing initrd memory: 3000k freed
Jul 11 14:31:46 gondolin kernel: VFS: Mounted root (cramfs filesystem).
Jul 11 14:31:46 gondolin kernel: Freeing unused kernel memory: 88k freed
Jul 11 14:31:46 gondolin kernel: NET4: Unix domain sockets 1.0/SMP for
Linux NET4.0.
Jul 11 14:31:46 gondolin kernel: Uniform Multi-Platform E-IDE driver
Revision: 6.31
Jul 11 14:31:46 gondolin kernel: ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed
for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx
Jul 11 14:31:46 gondolin kernel: CMD640: ignored by
ide_scan_pci_device() (uses own driver)
Jul 11 14:31:46 gondolin kernel: ide0: buggy cmd640b interface on PCI
(type1), config=0x5e
Jul 11 14:31:46 gondolin kernel: ide1: not serialized, secondary
interface not cmd640
Jul 11 14:31:46 gondolin kernel: cmd640: drive0 timings/prefetch(on)
preserved
Jul 11 14:31:46 gondolin kernel: cmd640: drive1 timings/prefetch(on)
preserved
Jul 11 14:31:46 gondolin kernel: hda: WDC AC21200H, ATA DISK drive
Jul 11 14:31:46 gondolin kernel: hdb: Maxtor 82187 A5, ATA DISK drive
Jul 11 14:31:46 gondolin kernel: hdc: IC35L060AVVA07-0, ATA DISK drive
Jul 11 14:31:46 gondolin kernel: hdd: , ATA DISK drive
Jul 11 14:31:46 gondolin kernel: ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14
Jul 11 14:31:46 gondolin kernel: ide1 at 0x170-0x177,0x376 on irq 15
Jul 11 14:31:46 gondolin kernel: hda: 2503872 sectors (1282 MB) w/128KiB
Cache, CHS=2484/16/63
Jul 11 14:31:46 gondolin kernel: hdb: 4282991 sectors (2193 MB) w/128KiB
Cache, CHS=4248/16/63
Jul 11 14:31:46 gondolin kernel: hdc: 120103200 sectors (61493 MB)
w/1863KiB Cache, CHS=119150/16/63
Jul 11 14:31:46 gondolin kernel: hdd: 257040 sectors (132 MB) w/29KiB
Cache, CHS=255/16/63
Jul 11 14:31:46 gondolin kernel: Partition check:
Jul 11 14:31:46 gondolin kernel: /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0:
[PTBL] [621/64/63] p1 p2 < p5 p6 >
Jul 11 14:31:46 gondolin kernel: /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target1/lun0:
[PTBL] [531/128/63] p1
Jul 11 14:31:46 gondolin kernel: /dev/ide/host1/bus0/target0/lun0: p1
Jul 11 14:31:46 gondolin kernel: /dev/ide/host1/bus0/target1/lun0:
unknown partition table
Jul 11 14:31:46 gondolin kernel: Journalled Block Device driver loaded
Jul 11 14:31:46 gondolin kernel: ext3: No journal on filesystem on
ide0(3,65)
Jul 11 14:31:46 gondolin kernel: Adding Swap: 249944k swap-space
(priority -1)
Jul 11 14:31:46 gondolin kernel: Real Time Clock Driver v1.10e
Jul 11 14:31:46 gondolin kernel: 3c59x: Donald Becker and others.
[url]www.scyld.com/network/vortex.html[/url]
Jul 11 14:31:46 gondolin kernel: 00:09.0: 3Com PCI 3c905 Boomerang
100baseTx at 0xfcc0. Vers LK1.1.16
Jul 11 14:31:49 gondolin kernel: Installing knfsd (copyright (C) 1996
[email]okir@monad.swb.de[/email]).
Jul 11 14:31:58 gondolin wwwoffled[430]: WWWOFFLE Demon Version 2.7h
(with zlib,with ipv6) started.
Jul 11 14:31:58 gondolin wwwoffled[434]: Detached from terminal and
changed pid to 434.
Jul 11 14:31:58 gondolin wwwoffled[434]: WWWOFFLE Connection from host
gondolin (127.0.0.1).
Jul 11 14:31:58 gondolin wwwoffled[434]: WWWOFFLE In Autodial Mode.
Jul 11 14:31:59 gondolin rpc.statd[440]: Version 1.0.3 Starting
Jul 11 14:31:59 gondolin ntpd[444]: ntpd 4.1.0 Mon Mar 25 23:39:47 UTC
2002 (2)
Jul 11 14:32:00 gondolin anacron[447]: Anacron 2.3 started on 2003-07-11
Jul 11 14:32:01 gondolin anacron[447]: Normal exit (0 jobs run)
Jul 11 14:32:01 gondolin ntpd[444]: signal_no_reset: signal 13 had flags
4000000
Jul 11 14:32:01 gondolin ntpd[444]: precision = 15 usec
Jul 11 14:32:01 gondolin ntpd[444]: kernel time discipline status 0040
Jul 11 14:32:01 gondolin ntpd[444]: frequency initialized -397.925 from
/var/lib/ntp/ntp.drift
Jul 11 14:32:01 gondolin ntpd[454]: signal_no_reset: signal 17 had flags
4000000
Jul 11 14:32:11 gondolin webmin[419]: Webmin starting



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[Ron Johnson]

On Tue, 2003-07-15 at 12:50, Carl D. Blake wrote:

> I am trying to install a 120 GB hard drive as a third hard drive on a
> Pentium 75 with a cmd640 IDE interface. I am attempting to replace a
> 60GB hard drive that has been working without any problems. When I
> install the 120GB hard drive Linux only sees it as a 132 MB hard drive.
> Does anyone know what I can do to fix this? Below is the boot up
> messages with the 60GB hard drive as the third drive (hdc) and the 120
> GB hard drive as the fourth drive (hdd).
>
> Jul 11 14:31:45 gondolin kernel: Loaded 15335 symbols from
> /boot/System.map-2.4.20-3-586tsc.

[snip]
Jul 11 14:31:46 gondolin kernel: hdd: , ATA DISK drive
[snip]

> Jul 11 14:31:46 gondolin kernel: hdd: 257040 sectors (132 MB) w/29KiB
> Cache, CHS=255/16/63

Could it be that that drive needs an 80 wire cable, or an ATA/133
controller. I say this because the kernel doesn't even recognize
what model of disk it is.

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[Alvin Oga]

hi ya carl

On 15 Jul 2003, Ron Johnson wrote:

> On Tue, 2003-07-15 at 12:50, Carl D. Blake wrote:

> > I am trying to install a 120 GB hard drive as a third hard drive on a
> > Pentium 75 with a cmd640 IDE interface. I am attempting to replace a
> > 60GB hard drive that has been working without any problems. When I
> > install the 120GB hard drive Linux only sees it as a 132 MB hard drive.
> > Does anyone know what I can do to fix this? Below is the boot up
> > messages with the 60GB hard drive as the third drive (hdc) and the 120
> > GB hard drive as the fourth drive (hdd).

the cable nor controller should affect "capacity" it sees

root# fdisk -l /dev/hdc
-- should tell you how many cylnder/sector/heads it thinks there is

i suspect your p5 mb is too too old
- check that the bio supports ata-66/ata-100/ata-133
( probably doesnt )

- check that the jumpers on the drive is setup for "big disk"
( jumper setting varies w/ manufacturer (ibm, maxtor, wd, seagate)

- check the kernel supports the ide chipset on the mb

c ya
alvin

>
> Could it be that that drive needs an 80 wire cable, or an ATA/133
> controller. I say this because the kernel doesn't even recognize
> what model of disk it is.
>

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[Jesse Meyer]

On Tue, 15 Jul 2003, Alvin Oga wrote:

> > > I am trying to install a 120 GB hard drive as a third hard drive on a
> > > Pentium 75 with a cmd640 IDE interface. I am attempting to replace a
> > > 60GB hard drive that has been working without any problems. When I
> > > install the 120GB hard drive Linux only sees it as a 132 MB hard drive.
> > > Does anyone know what I can do to fix this? Below is the boot up
> > > messages with the 60GB hard drive as the third drive (hdc) and the 120
> > > GB hard drive as the fourth drive (hdd).

>
> the cable nor controller should affect "capacity" it sees
>
> root# fdisk -l /dev/hdc
> -- should tell you how many cylnder/sector/heads it thinks there is
>
> i suspect your p5 mb is too too old
> - check that the bio supports ata-66/ata-100/ata-133
> ( probably doesnt )
>
> - check that the jumpers on the drive is setup for "big disk"
> ( jumper setting varies w/ manufacturer (ibm, maxtor, wd, seagate)
>
> - check the kernel supports the ide chipset on the mb

bzzt! Misleading, if not wrong.

After linux boots, it does not use the bios to deal with any other
disks. For example, I have an old p166 which has a 80 gig HDD as the
secondary master drive. Although the bios doesn't see it, linux uses it
without a problem, and has been for over a year now. (Linux even
enables SMART on it, which the bios does not understand).

So, while you might have a few problems booting from a 120 GB HDD, you
should have no problems accessing a 120 GB HDD once booted.

~ Jesse Meyer

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[Alvin Oga]

hi ya jesse

On Tue, 15 Jul 2003, Jesse Meyer wrote:

> On Tue, 15 Jul 2003, Alvin Oga wrote:

> > > > I am trying to install a 120 GB hard drive as a third hard drive on a
> > > > Pentium 75 with a cmd640 IDE interface. I am attempting to replace a
> > > > 60GB hard drive that has been working without any problems. When I
> > > > install the 120GB hard drive Linux only sees it as a 132 MB hard drive.
> > > > Does anyone know what I can do to fix this? Below is the boot up
> > > > messages with the 60GB hard drive as the third drive (hdc) and the 120
> > > > GB hard drive as the fourth drive (hdd).

> >
> > the cable nor controller should affect "capacity" it sees
> >
> > root# fdisk -l /dev/hdc
> > -- should tell you how many cylnder/sector/heads it thinks there is
> >
> > i suspect your p5 mb is too too old
> > - check that the bio supports ata-66/ata-100/ata-133
> > ( probably doesnt )
> >
> > - check that the jumpers on the drive is setup for "big disk"
> > ( jumper setting varies w/ manufacturer (ibm, maxtor, wd, seagate)
> >
> > - check the kernel supports the ide chipset on the mb

>
> bzzt! Misleading, if not wrong.

guess i didn't write clearly enuff ... aint da 1st time :-)

> After linux boots, it does not use the bios to deal with any other
> disks.

see the line "fdisk -l /dev/hdc" ... that's the equivalent of your comment

> For example, I have an old p166 which has a 80 gig HDD as the
> secondary master drive. Although the bios doesn't see it, linux uses it
> without a problem, and has been for over a year now. (Linux even
> enables SMART on it, which the bios does not understand).
>
> So, while you might have a few problems booting from a 120 GB HDD, you
> should have no problems accessing a 120 GB HDD once booted.

i think the problem is he wants to boot off the 120GB disk ...
and the system wont boot until it knows what to do with 120GB disk
- if the bios doesn't know what to do... it wont boot
and since it sees it as 130MB, its an old bios that wont
work

- if you have an initrd .. you can make it work and boot off
the 120GB disk

once linux is up and running, double check your disk capacities

c ya
alvin


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[Carl D. Blake]

On Thu, 2003-07-17 at 01:19, Rogier Wolff wrote:

> On Tue, Jul 15, 2003 at 10:50:13AM -0700, Carl D. Blake wrote:

> > Jul 11 14:31:46 gondolin kernel: hdc: IC35L060AVVA07-0, ATA DISK drive
> > Jul 11 14:31:46 gondolin kernel: hdd: , ATA DISK drive

>
> Your kernel is having trouble "contacting" hdd with the question:
> "Hi, what's your name?". This could imply that there are other
> problems for example with: "Hi, what's your capacity?"
>
> Some drives simply don't work with certain other drives. So, can you
> try if the 120G drive works when it isn't slave to the IBM drive?
>

I've tried the drive alone - it still has the same problem. As I said
earlier, it works fine on another computer (Pentium 200) that doesn't
have a cmd640 IDE chipset. I've come to the conclusion that this drive
is just not going to work on that old of a computer. I'm still puzzled
as to why the 60G works fine, but the 120G does not. Anyway I've
decided to use the Pentium 200 computer for my mirroring server instead
of the older Pentium 75.

> Speaking of which... You have a 60G IBM drive. Those sometimes
> suddenly break down. You do have good backups or "no important stuff
> on that drive" don't you?
>

I hadn't heard that there were problems with 60G IBM/Hitachi drives.
Right now it's being used for a mirror, but I was planning to use it for
the main drive on another linux system. How unreliable are these
drives?

> (Some people say: "Oh, but those break down in the first 3-6 months,
> mine's been working for over a year now, so I'm safe." Yeah! Right!
> Anything but my data.)
>
> Roger.
>
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