2004 UI - What's with the borders ??

[ccnk]

There is a Command I wrote which sets my Canvas to its maximum
dimensions without hindersome scrollbars. In Fireworks MX this was set
to 1060 x 920 pixels. I work at 1600 x 1200 res. Now with the new
Fireworks MX 2004 I tried the same Command to maximise the Canvas. I
need to set the parameters (dimensions) at 1048 x 877 pixels for the
Command to not have Fireworks MX 2004 show scrollbars.

Wow! This actually means that the new version of Fireworks uses "more UI
space" than the previous version. I lost 12 x 43 ( ! ) pixels. Now,
with my screensize that isn't such a problem really, but I can imagine
people who work on smaller monitors find this not really an improvement
over the previous version or versions.

So, topic of this post/rant: What's with the borders?
When I look at the Macromedia website I see the same borders in their
current design. Nice those resemblances, but for diehard Fireworks users
not really functional for their favourite app.

Just my 2 Eurocents...

Coen

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[Sam Poikail]

They just want you to break down and get two monitors ;o)

"ccnk" <ccnkHAHA@home.nl> wrote in message news:3F79CC21.3070504@home.nl...

>
> There is a Command I wrote which sets my Canvas to its maximum
> dimensions without hindersome scrollbars. In Fireworks MX this was set
> to 1060 x 920 pixels. I work at 1600 x 1200 res. Now with the new
> Fireworks MX 2004 I tried the same Command to maximise the Canvas. I
> need to set the parameters (dimensions) at 1048 x 877 pixels for the
> Command to not have Fireworks MX 2004 show scrollbars.
>
> Wow! This actually means that the new version of Fireworks uses "more UI
> space" than the previous version. I lost 12 x 43 ( ! ) pixels. Now,
> with my screensize that isn't such a problem really, but I can imagine
> people who work on smaller monitors find this not really an improvement
> over the previous version or versions.
>
> So, topic of this post/rant: What's with the borders?
> When I look at the Macromedia website I see the same borders in their
> current design. Nice those resemblances, but for diehard Fireworks users
> not really functional for their favourite app.

[ccnk]

Well, at least YOU care Sam. Been quiet in here for awhile. Glad to see
some old faces back in here. 'Been busy too.

Sam Poikail wrote:

>They just want you to break down and get two monitors ;o)
>
>"ccnk" <ccnkHAHA@home.nl> wrote in message news:3F79CC21.3070504@home.nl...
>
>

>>There is a Command I wrote which sets my Canvas to its maximum
>>dimensions without hindersome scrollbars. In Fireworks MX this was set
>>to 1060 x 920 pixels. I work at 1600 x 1200 res. Now with the new
>>Fireworks MX 2004 I tried the same Command to maximise the Canvas. I
>>need to set the parameters (dimensions) at 1048 x 877 pixels for the
>>Command to not have Fireworks MX 2004 show scrollbars.
>>
>>Wow! This actually means that the new version of Fireworks uses "more UI
>>space" than the previous version. I lost 12 x 43 ( ! ) pixels. Now,
>>with my screensize that isn't such a problem really, but I can imagine
>>people who work on smaller monitors find this not really an improvement
>>over the previous version or versions.
>>
>>So, topic of this post/rant: What's with the borders?
>>When I look at the Macromedia website I see the same borders in their
>>current design. Nice those resemblances, but for diehard Fireworks users
>>not really functional for their favourite app.
>>
>>

>
>
>
>

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I hope this helps,

Coen


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[qrayg]

Yeah... I mentioned this UI change before.

Basically they took out the reference to the SmallFonts Font for all UI elements and are now using the default Shell Font in Windows XP. Someone at Macromedia wrote back to me about it and stated that you can change the font size though the Display Settings | Appearance | Advanced tab, but that is NOT correct. You can not change the default shell font in any version of Windows without a registry hack.

This new Gigantic properties inspector, color swatches, and status bar font size is really annoying because it wastes so much screen space. The SmallFonts Font was a perfect font for UI elements. That is one of the reasons why I switched back to MX rather than using MX 2004.


Thanks for your time and assistance,
Craig Erskine
Programmer - SPS
[url]www.solardreamstudios.com[/url]

[Linda Rathgeber]

qrayg wrote:

> Yeah... I mentioned this UI change before.
>
> Basically they took out the reference to the SmallFonts Font for all
> UI elements and are now using the default Shell Font in Windows XP.
> Someone at Macromedia wrote back to me about it and stated that you
> can change the font size though the Display Settings | Appearance |
> Advanced tab, but that is NOT correct.

It sure works on my system.


Best regards,
Linda Rathgeber
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[qrayg]

Linda Rathgeber wrote:

It sure works on my system.



I don't think you know what I'm talking about. Default Shell Fonts are not changeable as they will cause draw errors and misaligned elements in the UI. It is possible to change the font by editing the registry but then most all UI dialogs that use that font will render in a way that it is not readable or not visible at all.

If you could post a screen shot of FW2004 using the SmallFonts Font in it's dialogs and Properties Inspectors, I'd really like to see.

If you truly can change the font, please let me know which Object's Font you change in the Display Settings to affect the PI in FW. I have EVERY font in my display settings set to Tahoma 7pt but FW2004 ALWAYS uses the default Shell font of Tahoma 8pt.

Thanks for your time,


Thanks for your time and assistance,
Craig Erskine
Programmer - SPS
[url]www.solardreamstudios.com[/url]

[qrayg]

> Isn't that what this is? I'm using Windows Classic style rather than Win

> XP style on Win XP Pro. Maybe the switch to Classic style enables you to
> use MS Small fonts?

When viewing these posts though Macromedia's website, you can not view attachments. I'm not sure what fonts.gif looks like as all I see are binary character info.

What is the address to subscribe to these forums through email?

I switched my display to classic and changed all of my fonts to Tahoma 7pt and the PI in FW2004 still remains the same (Tahoma 8pt). It also displays the exact same way in Windows 2000 Pro. In checking the regsitry for the default Shell font in both XP and 2000, they are both set to Tahoma 8.

Thanks for your time and assistance,
Craig Erskine
Programmer - SPS
[url]www.solardreamstudios.com[/url]

[Linda Rathgeber]

qrayg wrote:

> What is the address to subscribe to these forums through email?

It's forums.macromedia.com


Best regards,
Linda Rathgeber
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-----------------

[Chester Harold]

You don't get them "through email" but use a newsreader. Linda gave you the
address. If you are on Win you can just use the freebie Outlook Express.
If you are on Mac . . . I have no idea.

Chet

[Lanny Chambers]

In article <blfr5u$fel$1@forums.macromedia.com>,
"Chester Harold" <chet@no-spam.com> wrote:

> You don't get them "through email" but use a newsreader. Linda gave you the
> address. If you are on Win you can just use the freebie Outlook Express.
> If you are on Mac . . . I have no idea.

You could use...(wait for it)...Mac Outlook Express. Or
Netscape/Mozilla. Or a real newsreader, such as MT NewsWatcher.

--
Lanny Chambers, St. Louis, USA
[url]http://www.hummingbirds.net/[/url]

[ccnk]

Read all your posts here qrayg.
I agree with you that some fonts may be too small to read. But if you
look at it in 1600x1200 then you can appreciate the larger fonts. They
can be set, but I prefer not to as indeed this messes up everything.

Dreamweaver 2004 has some bad PI things too. When you enter 100% in the
value for Width for example; it displays 00% with the 1 rendered
invisible intil you click out of the value and then in again.

What I really appreciate in the new FW2004 are the bigger sliders that
control the Color (See Linda, i'm using American spelling from now on
;-) ) Effects. Those were a pain in the @$$ in previous versions.


\\ Coen

qrayg wrote:

>>Isn't that what this is? I'm using Windows Classic style rather than Win
>>XP style on Win XP Pro. Maybe the switch to Classic style enables you to
>>use MS Small fonts?
>>
>>

>
>When viewing these posts though Macromedia's website, you can not view attachments. I'm not sure what fonts.gif looks like as all I see are binary character info.
>
>What is the address to subscribe to these forums through email?
>
>I switched my display to classic and changed all of my fonts to Tahoma 7pt and the PI in FW2004 still remains the same (Tahoma 8pt). It also displays the exact same way in Windows 2000 Pro. In checking the regsitry for the default Shell font in both XP and 2000, they are both set to Tahoma 8.
>
>
>Thanks for your time and assistance,
>Craig Erskine
>Programmer - SPS
>[url]www.solardreamstudios.com[/url]
>
>

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I hope this helps,

Coen


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I understand how to use a news reader. I just didn't know what the server
name was.

The problem is, I'm required to use Outlook for Windows XP at work and I
have G5 (without Classic installed - so I can't use OE for Mac) at home. I
tried some free news reader programs for OSX but I could not subscribe to
this forum.

I guess I'll have to use OE at work and hope no-one notices.

Thanks for understanding... oh wait.



"Lanny Chambers" <lanny@hummingbirds.net> wrote in message
news:lanny-8C1886.21251801102003@forums.macromedia.com...

> In article <blfr5u$fel$1@forums.macromedia.com>,
> "Chester Harold" <chet@no-spam.com> wrote:
>

> > You don't get them "through email" but use a newsreader. Linda gave you

the

> > address. If you are on Win you can just use the freebie Outlook

Express.

> > If you are on Mac . . . I have no idea.

>
> You could use...(wait for it)...Mac Outlook Express. Or
> Netscape/Mozilla. Or a real newsreader, such as MT NewsWatcher.
>
> --
> Lanny Chambers, St. Louis, USA
> [url]http://www.hummingbirds.net/[/url]

[Lanny Chambers]

In article <blh6ii$hei$1@forums.macromedia.com>,
<craig@solardreamstudios.com> wrote:

> The problem is, I'm required to use Outlook for Windows XP at work and I
> have G5 (without Classic installed - so I can't use OE for Mac) at home. I
> tried some free news reader programs for OSX but I could not subscribe to
> this forum.

Doesn't Mail.app do news? Mozilla and Netscape are also available for OS
X, and their mail components work pretty much the same as Outlook
Express.

The URL is forums.macromedia.com.

--
Lanny Chambers, St. Louis, USA
[url]http://www.hummingbirds.net/[/url]

[John T]

Craig,

Download Mozilla Thunderbird for OS X. It's what I use on my Mac and it
really is a pretty good program. It sort of has the look of OE without
the MS tentacles. ;-) There's a version for Windows as well, which is
what I'm using at the moment.

[url]http://www.mozilla.org/projects/thunderbird/[/url]

HTH

--
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--
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[ccnk]

Windows version very buggy on my system. Just quits while your posting
or when you're typing a large reply to someone. Not very nice...

John T wrote:

> Craig,
>
> Download Mozilla Thunderbird for OS X. It's what I use on my Mac and
> it really is a pretty good program. It sort of has the look of OE
> without the MS tentacles. ;-) There's a version for Windows as well,
> which is what I'm using at the moment.
>
> [url]http://www.mozilla.org/projects/thunderbird/[/url]
>
> HTH
>

--


I hope this helps,

Coen


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[John T]

ccnk wrote:

> Windows version very buggy on my system. Just quits while your posting
> or when you're typing a large reply to someone. Not very nice...
>
>

Really? Sorry to hear you're having problems. Works great for me. Good
luck in your search. :-)

--
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--
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[Craig Hartel]

John T wrote:

> ccnk wrote:
>

>> Windows version very buggy on my system. Just quits while your posting
>> or when you're typing a large reply to someone. Not very nice...
>>
>>

>
> Really? Sorry to hear you're having problems. Works great for me. Good
> luck in your search. :-)
>

Coen,

Like John, I have had no problems with Thunderbird at all. Isn't it
frustrating how some applications are a nightmare for some while a dream
for others?

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[ccnk]

Craig:

Yes it is but I have an AMD with poor performing RAM (or so it seems)
which might cause some troubles.

By the way, the other Craig is also active in this thread. I have
E-mailed him about 10 times now, but either his mailaddress is
non-functional, he is a very busy person, my mails aren't reaching him
OR he doesn't like me very much and just plain and simple ignores me (as
unfortunately happens from time to time)....
My E-mail for Craig from Solardreamstudio's did indeed arrive at the
wrong address, but now that I have sent it right, I still get no
response.... Well, can't have everything in life now can you? ;-)

Coen


Craig Hartel wrote:

> John T wrote:
>

>> ccnk wrote:
>>

>>> Windows version very buggy on my system. Just quits while your
>>> posting or when you're typing a large reply to someone. Not very
>>> nice...
>>>
>>>

>>
>> Really? Sorry to hear you're having problems. Works great for me.
>> Good luck in your search. :-)
>>

> Coen,
>
> Like John, I have had no problems with Thunderbird at all. Isn't it
> frustrating how some applications are a nightmare for some while a
> dream for others?
>

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I hope this helps,

Coen


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[Chester Harold]

"ccnk" <ccnkHAHA@home.nl> wrote in message news:3F7DB7D7.9010403@home.nl...

>
> By the way, the other Craig is also active in this thread. I have
> E-mailed him about 10 times now, but either his mailaddress is
> non-functional, he is a very busy person, my mails aren't reaching him
> OR he doesn't like me very much and just plain and simple ignores me (as
> unfortunately happens from time to time)....
> My E-mail for Craig from Solardreamstudio's did indeed arrive at the
> wrong address, but now that I have sent it right, I still get no
> response.... Well, can't have everything in life now can you? ;-)
>

Coen,

It's best to keep private email discussions out of the groups, in general.
Unless you have a pretty close relationship with Craig, I don't think it's a
good idea to mention in a public forum whether he answers email or not.
That's his private business. Not mine. Not ours. Thanks.

Chet

[ccnk]

Please send your email address again Chester. Lost it with the new
install. Thx

Chester Harold wrote:

>"ccnk" <ccnkHAHA@home.nl> wrote in message news:3F7DB7D7.9010403@home.nl...
>
>

>>By the way, the other Craig is also active in this thread. I have
>>E-mailed him about 10 times now, but either his mailaddress is
>>non-functional, he is a very busy person, my mails aren't reaching him
>>OR he doesn't like me very much and just plain and simple ignores me (as
>>unfortunately happens from time to time)....
>>My E-mail for Craig from Solardreamstudio's did indeed arrive at the
>>wrong address, but now that I have sent it right, I still get no
>>response.... Well, can't have everything in life now can you? ;-)
>>
>>
>>

>
>Coen,
>
>It's best to keep private email discussions out of the groups, in general.
>Unless you have a pretty close relationship with Craig, I don't think it's a
>good idea to mention in a public forum whether he answers email or not.
>That's his private business. Not mine. Not ours. Thanks.
>
>Chet
>
>
>
>

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I hope this helps,

Coen


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