Adobe is buying Macromeia!!!!

[Newkirk]

So will CFMX continue to evolve or is this the end of the road????


[url]http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/invrelations/adobeandmacromedia.html[/url]

[keyman]

CF is too good to be hurt by company purchases - after all it was originally
Allaire until a few years ago. Macromedia bought it because it filled a gap
nicely in their vision of the web. Adobe will keep it for the same reason. -
keyman. :)

[Rambo]

No - its the end of the road alright.

Coldfusion is just not widely adopted compared to the likes of PHP and .NET
and J2EE. It was hard enough making a decent business case for using it with
most IT managers as it is so pricey and offers no significant benefits over
the others. There is hardly any coldfusion work around by comparison and, as
has been pointed out a lot recently, the training industry around coldfusion
is all but dead.

Folks, it was dead already as far as most folk were concerned - the small
number of developers still taking it seriously will be sliced even smaller
as a result of the percieved implications of the buyout. (read the threads
in this forum, many ar already planning their next language and see no hope)
This spiral started downward a long time ago.

Its a shame, but MM couldn't make anything much with CF and killed JRun
completely. They absolute had to get CF out there and installed on as many
computers as PHP was installed on and get developers behind the product en
masse, but they didn't, they just squeezed it for every last dollar they
could milk from it. Adobe will do the same till it finally withers away.
Keep in mind, Adobe are no stronger in the application server market than MM
were, so they wont do any better. Heck, Adobe are not even real great in the
web design market! App servers are th elast thing they will waste too much
time on - why would they fight a battle they could never hope to win?

Which products will die, either literally of just by being ignored by Adobe,
Fireworks, Coldfusion and Freehand. Flash and Dreamweaver will be safe. (I
think it will be go-live that will merge or be killed off in favor of DW )



"Newkirk" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
news:d40foq$stk$1@forums.macromedia.com...

> So will CFMX continue to evolve or is this the end of the road????
>
>
> [url]http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/invrelations/adobeandmacromedia.html[/url]

[MikerRoo]

Read the FAQ:
[url]http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/invrelations/pdfs/AdobeMacromediaFAQ.pdf[/url] It
talks all about content and new media -- with lots of emphasis on flash and
PDF. Coldfusion is not mentioned at all. Only half of one bullet talks
about using 'back-end' systems. This is as close as we can get to the minds of
adobe management (until the WSJ or Barron's article comes out). Coldfusion is
clearly not on their agenda. Adobe also does not inspire confidence.
Photoshop is pricey and only marginally improved. PDF has actually become
obscenely WORSE since version 4. Don't you just cringe every time a link
turns out to be a pdf? Read some of Jakob Nielson's studies. PDF is one sure
way to cheese off your web users. This is the company that will now decide
CF's fate? This aquisition blows but it's out of our control (we could all
chip in and buy the CF unit? :D ). I've done .net -- it's hell. Time to
revisit Java and PHP. -- MikeR

[ronnie]

>>This is the company that will now decide
CF's fate?

I agreeed with almost everything you said there - but I belive the fate of
CF was left with Macomedia. They could have done great things with it but
they chose to milk it for 'quick money' -they likely knew early on it would
not succeed so knew to cash in over its remaining years with the high
licensing fees. Adobe really have nothing to do with it - there is no
significant CF market, no wide install base adn no real industry around it -
MM had an oppurtunity to have a decent go at changing all this. I nstead,
they chose to not even compete (but "compliment") the competetion.

Having said all that - even MM had a task on their hands and likley made the
correct commercial decision by doing what they did (not too much). Wouldn't
you hat eto be them - buying a server product when you are only a medium
sized compamy an dtrying to compete with it against 2 giants and one of the
most successful OS projects ever (PHP). They really had no chance -so we
cant really blame them.

Sad, but its over. A few will stay on, even make some money, but for the
mainstream average developer CF is no longer an option worth bringing to the
table. (Really, who does bring it to the table these days anyway??)



"MikerRoo" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
news:d42l78$afj$1@forums.macromedia.com...

> Read the FAQ:
> [url]http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/invrelations/pdfs/AdobeMacromediaFAQ.pdf[/url]
> It
> talks all about content and new media -- with lots of emphasis on flash
> and
> PDF. Coldfusion is not mentioned at all. Only half of one bullet
> talks
> about using 'back-end' systems. This is as close as we can get to the
> minds of
> adobe management (until the WSJ or Barron's article comes out).
> Coldfusion is
> clearly not on their agenda. Adobe also does not inspire confidence.
> Photoshop is pricey and only marginally improved. PDF has actually
> become
> obscenely WORSE since version 4. Don't you just cringe every time a link
> turns out to be a pdf? Read some of Jakob Nielson's studies. PDF is one
> sure
> way to cheese off your web users. This is the company that will now
> decide
> CF's fate? This aquisition blows but it's out of our control (we could
> all
> chip in and buy the CF unit? :D ). I've done .net -- it's hell. Time to
> revisit Java and PHP. -- MikeR
>