ADOBE IS F* USELESS

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ok, no doubt people will say, Adobe is not useless, Flash player 9 is coming
soon? How can you say that?
Linux flash player is still on version 7, I have emailed support, used the
best language i could think of, asked nicely, used the forums, pm'd people and
after a year, NOTHING ... and where is flash player 8 or 9 for linux? no where!!

So FSCK YOU ADOBE, i hope piracy kills YOU!
best wishes,
riaan
now, before you get all randy on my ass ... just click on the follwoing links
....
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Riann,

I cannot provide any information on Flash Player 9 for Linux until there is a
public announcement. Sorry.

Bentley Wolfe
Senior Support Engineer, Flash/Flash Player
Adobe
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[thisisnottaken999123]

I hear you. They're obviously just sitting on their asses. They keep saying
that its *no trivial matter* to port it to linux, well guess what? Run Wine +
Winsucks_version_of_Firefox + Winsucks_version_of_flash, and it works fine. If
something THAT crazy can actually function (very stable, from what I can tell,
and no performance issue), then it should be a 10 minute deal to just make it
right. Truth of the matter is that there is some kind of hidden economy between
microsux and adobe that is stopping them from making a version for THE GREATEST
THREAT THAT MICROSUX HAS EVER FACED. Microsux is actively working to keep
people from switching away from the winsucks platform (not that I blame them)
by making it inconvenient to switch.

[Jeckyl]

>I hear you. They're obviously just sitting on their asses.

Instead of talking out of them like you tow seem to be

> They keep saying that its *no trivial matter* to port it to linux, well
> guess what? Run Wine +
> Winsucks_version_of_Firefox + Winsucks_version_of_flash, and it works
> fine.

Well .. there you go .. no need for a linux version.

> If something THAT crazy can actually function (very stable, from what I
> can tell,
> and no performance issue), then it should be a 10 minute deal to just make
> it
> right.

Obviously you have no grasp of the issues involved here.

> Truth of the matter is that there is some kind of hidden economy between
> microsux and adobe that is stopping them from making a version for THE
> GREATEST
> THREAT THAT MICROSUX HAS EVER FACED. Microsux is actively working to keep
> people from switching away from the winsucks platform (not that I blame
> them)
> by making it inconvenient to switch.

What a load of sh*t. Get over yourself and come back to the real world.
--
Jeckyl

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Jeckyl, there are a lot of linux users who complain about this, it's not just
me ... you have to agree that being two versions behind is slacking service!
specially cause adobe is the only people doing flash, in my post i have given
timelines, things that i did to correct this, i have emailed adobe, i have pm'd
some devs, i have scowered the net for forums, in your post you have given no
real info, basically you are the one talking utter sh*t ... so rather shut-up,
cause at the moment your looking like an idiot ...

[Jeckyl]

> Jeckyl, there are a lot of linux users who complain about this, it's not

> just
> me ... you have to agree that being two versions behind is slacking
> service!

Yes .. they are a little more restrained in their language though :)

> specially cause adobe is the only people doing flash, in my post i have
> given
> timelines, things that i did to correct this, i have emailed adobe, i have
> pm'd
> some devs, i have scowered the net for forums, in your post you have given
> no
> real info, basically you are the one talking utter sh*t ... so rather
> shut-up,
> cause at the moment your looking like an idiot ...

Well .. if you've done what you said, and found all this information, then
you should know the current situation regarding Linux version of Flash
Player, why Flash Player 8 was not ported and what is the current order of
beta/release for Flash Player for windows, Mac, 32-bit Linux, 64-bit os.
Hint: look at adobe developer blogs for info about where they are up to with
porting to other platforms (as much as they can tell us).

Basically you're frustrated (understandably), and have decided the best way
to handle this is to insult those at Adobe .. as if that will have any
positive impact at all in the release of a Linux version of the player.
Maybe it makes you feel better, but as far as your posts being in any way
helpful to you or anyone else .. well .. its obvious who the idiot is here
(and it ain't me)
--
Jeckyl

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Jekyl, I have no problem with you. I don't want to fight with you or anyone for
that matter, all i'm looking for is for Adobe, to keep their versions up to
date, across all platforms ... though i can view most flash sites, a lot of
them are now being done in flash 8, which I nor anyone else using flash player
can view.

There is a simple solution to this, just specify release dates, and time
lines!
Geese dude, so now I want to create some flash animations, I can't because i
have to now install windows, just for that!? so my email, my music, all my
other web dev apps are stuck in linux ... can you understand my frustration?

Also, you cannot just say ... linux is minority so screw them, cause dude,
what about people in wheel chairs, do we just say screw them, let's just build
stairs all teh way! not that people using linux are disadvandtaged, but i'm
just making a point about minorities ...

If they can port acrobat reader to linux, surely they can port a 997 K flash
player? Dude, no matter what Operating System you use, you have to agree that
this is ridiculas ... heck I'm not asking for much ...

[Jeckyl]

> Jekyl, I have no problem with you. I don't want to fight with you or

> anyone for
> that matter, all i'm looking for is for Adobe, to keep their versions up
> to
> date, across all platforms ... though i can view most flash sites, a lot
> of
> them are now being done in flash 8, which I nor anyone else using flash
> player
> can view.

I can understand your frustration. If anything, any fault lies with the
original authors of Flash Player who did not write the code in a way that
was easily ported. Also is that the code is optimized (and optimized code
is always hard to port to other platforms). That meant that the port of FP8
would take significant time and resource .. time and resources the
Macromedia needed to devote to its next generation FP9 (that support the
much better scripting engine etc that is required for Flex 2 to work). So
either Flex 2 (and the revenue that brings in) is delayed for the sake of a
Linux port of the player (which brings in no revenue at all).. or the Linux
port is done after FP9. They chose the latter (a sensible business
decision). But (assuming they have learnt their lesson) the new FP9 stuff
should be written in a way that is easier to port to other platforms .. so
hopefully the Linux port of FP9 will be quicker than it would have been for
FP8 (especially 64-bit platforms).

> There is a simple solution to this, just specify release dates, and time
> lines!

Macromedia (now adobe) has never announced relase times. If they do that,
then if there is a problem, pepoole start suing, because they made business
plans based on announced release dates etc.

When a release date is known, then Adboe will announce it. Until the
product gets ot the stage when a firm release date can be made public, it
won't be anounced.

People can speculate and demand and whinge and complain all they want.
Adboe/Macroemdia will simply not announce things until it is the right tim
to announce them. that is simple business sense.

> Geese dude, so now I want to create some flash animations, I can't because
> i
> have to now install windows, just for that!? so my email, my music, all my
> other web dev apps are stuck in linux ... can you understand my
> frustration?

Yes .. I understand it. But posts like "ADOBE IS F* USELESS" don't really
help (guess they just make you feel better for venting though)

> Also, you cannot just say ... linux is minority so screw them,

I didn't say that. But as a company, Adboe/Macroemdia have to make sensible
and responsible business decisions .. in this case it means the smaller
linux market has a delay in updates, but allows the much larger window/max
market to update to the new player sooner, and for Adboe to get its new
flash2 platform out sooner.

> cause dude,
> what about people in wheel chairs, do we just say screw them, let's just
> build
> stairs all teh way! not that people using linux are disadvandtaged, but
> i'm
> just making a point about minorities ...

Well .. if we make this a fair analogy and say that 'able bodied' people are
not able to use ramps (ie windows users cannot use a linux player) .. and if
we assume that ramps take much longer to build than stairs ... then if you
have people waiting to get into your wonderful new building, and you make
everyone wait until there are BOTH ramps and stairs (instead of installing
stairs for the majority first and then putting in the ramps afterwards ..
then you can see the logic.

> If they can port acrobat reader to linux, surely they can port a 997 K
> flash
> player?

The effort to port depends on a lot more than the nubmer of bytes of code ..
thats a very naive conclusion

> Dude, no matter what Operating System you use, you have to agree that
> this is ridiculas ... heck I'm not asking for much ...

No .. its not ridiculous .. but it is frustrating for you (and other Linux
users).

But then (I know you won't like hearing this) .. if you do choose (or are
forced to use) a minority platform like Linux (no matter how much better it
may be), then the price you have to pay is less range of applications and
delays in porting. If you want the widest range of software available
off-the-shelf and sooner (rather than later) ... then you should choose
Windows as your O/S. Of course, doing so may mean you'd be sacrificing
things like open source, better security etc etc .. but then that is part of
the decision you need to make when you choose a platform .. you can't have
you cake and eat it too (as they say)

Jeckyl

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solutions dude ... that's what i'm looking for, solutions ... maybe a
macromedia dev can post something to this topic, maybe you even know one, but
there is quite a large linux community that i'm sure would be interested ...
heck no one is going to hold adobe to the timelines, but some info would be
nice, i'm sure you can see that there is a lot of unanswered questions.

Novel had a survey asking, which application would people see ported to linux,
Fhotoshop, Dreamweaver and MX Studio scored very high, you can see the results
here,
[url]http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/feature/16798.html[/url]

So I'm sure there is money to be made for Adobe, if you look at the numbers it
must surely make sense!

[star_3am]

here are some updates regarding linux flash player:
[url]http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/2006/07/api_review_1.html[/url]
Don't tell me no one at adobe knew about this blog ... so why don't they even
reply? or let linux users know about it ... /me thinks adobe stinks ....

[Jeckyl]

> here are some updates regarding linux flash player:

> [url]http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/2006/07/api_review_1.html[/url]
> Don't tell me no one at adobe knew about this blog ... so why don't they
> even
> reply? or let linux users know about it ... /me thinks adobe stinks ....

Of course they know .. its on the adobe.com site. Adobe/Macromedia
encourage blogging by their developers. Adobe don't need to reply .. the
blog is by someone from Adobe, and he replies in the blog itself. It would
also make the blog look like it was control by the company .. its better as
it is. I don't see anything 'stinky' about it - quite the opposite.
--
Jeckyl