Adobe Tests Anti-Piracy Technique

[r_harvey]

Hell, I was just trying to help.




This intervention group has been yelling at him for two days. He doesn't get it. He'll never get it. The cows already get it.

[dave milbut]

s'okay josh. three things:

1) theft is wrong no matter how you rationalize it.

2) you said a program (Photoshop) is not art. as a programmer, i vehemently dissagree with you. it IS an art form. any hack can throw together a few lines of code with a visual development program, but it takes a true craftsman to put together a piece of work like photoshop. and theft of a program i write is theft from me. theft of photoshop IS theft from adobe.

3) jesus loves you!

i'm glad you finally bought the program. good for you. you say they got 700 dollars from you. great. they should've gotten that when you were 13, had the intrest on it and had the upgrade $$$ you spent for all the versions you "borrowed". that's the bottom line. personally, i don't really give a rats patootie whether you buy the program or steal it. or if you buy a bmw or steal it. but you can't go around saying it's not stealing because some nebulous time in the future you decided to pony up. my point in "attacking" you was to get you to think about it. apparently you missed it by "that much".

peace,
dave

[John Baumchen]

Adobe has the right to charge what ever it wants. This only serves to incite other companies to develop their products that will compete with Photoshop. If Adobe gets to be too much like MS in the way they treat customers, then we might see a mass migration to alternative programs leaving Photoshop in the dust.

Paintshop?

I agree with other posts that since the price reflects losses due to piracy, then when the abiltiy to pirate is no more, do the right thing and drop the price.

Is greed the only motivating factor to be in business anymore?

[ID. Awe]

Gee Cheesie: You just get weirder and weirder, your use of the software doesn't even pass your own litmus test.

Explain how you having a 'backup CD' of somebody elses software isn't piracy?

God sakes man, get with the program!

[Ol' Whozit]

Gee, Cheese, just how dense ARE you in trying to justify your theft???

"2.3. Backup Copy. You may make one backup copy of the Software, provided your backup copy is not
installed or Used on any computer. You may not transfer the rights to a backup copy unless you transfer all
rights in the Software as provided in the Transfer section in this Agreement."

Just WHAT PART of this software is YOURS to justify your insistance that you are entitled to use it because your previous employer has not hired anyone else to use the software that THEY purchased, and THEY own, not YOU????

You never answered if you are using your "authorized" copy with the REAL OWNER's permission...when did your employer transfer ownership to YOU?

[Klaas A Visser]

Been reading the Adobe sites about this, and the one thing that stands out
is the phrase "designed to deter casual copying".

So all the economics they are investing in activation is to stop folks from
burning a CD to give to their friends. As many have stated, the
"professional" pirates will get around it in short order. Outfits like that
closed down by police in Spain earlier this month, with a capacity to
duplicate 600 CDs a minute, won't have any troubles with it.

It's also interesting that they have chosen Australia to pilot this. An
article last month cited the BSA as saying that Australia was bucking the
global trend of decreasing software piracy - wonder if that has anything to
do with it? <grin>

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cheers
Klaas A Visser
Sydney, Australia

[Peter Figen]

"THEY purchased, and THEY own"

We never actually own any of the software we use, unless we write it ourselves. We only license it from the respective companies.

[Bill Lamp]

Anthony J. Rauch
Due to the amount of posts since....
RE:
"Bill,

Why didn't that person download a legitimate full-featured trial version from Adobe's site? It's wrong either way. I don't think that is ever going to change. But, atleast they tried to make it right. Kudos on that. It's a rare thing."
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That person only had access to a 14.4 connection that would crash every half hour or so. A complete download was not possible. One reason they bought that make and model scanner was for the Photoshop edition being bundled with it. I can state that, if the full program didn't show MAJOR improvement over 4-LE (actually should have been named Very Limited Edition) they would have deleted it. They used the pirate-soft as a trial edition as stated in my original post.

Yes, all I have posted is true, guess just who that person is.

Justifiable? Good question. Adobe has sold three full price packs (one a legal edition upgrade from VLE) and several upgrades (I know the person I was talking about bought two and may upgrade to V 8.) due to the third hand use of the now defunct CD. Treat it as an illegal trial edition, which is how it was used? Ignore it as it did bring Adobe money they wouldn't have received otherwise? Treat it as full blown piracy? Wish the cases like this would go away as they don't fit any regular situation?

Too bad all things are not black and white. It would make judgements easier and rule out the use of "intent" in determining what the end result is in court cases.

Bill

[ID. Awe]

Ar-r-r-r-gh Cheesie, Billy isn't justifin' yer misbahavin' mate.

[r_harvey]

An article last month cited the BSA as saying that Australia was bucking
the global trend of decreasing software piracy - wonder if that has anything
to do with it?




Is the effect of copy protection, increased piracy? I've heard several people say that, while they own a legal copy of Windows XP, they use a pirated copy, because it doesn't have copy protection.

Phoenix used to be a test market, because it was isolated, concentrated, and had local advertising. We'd get the stinkiest cereal and soft drinks, that nobody else ever saw. Australia is probably the same. I guess they're still testing that Vegamite stuff there.

[TickleOnTheTum]

There is one reason why people will always pirate Adobe software... price...

£605 is almost a months wages, if not more for some people, and so completely unaffordable... after paying all the bills, taxes etc, you lucky if yo have £50 a month to spend on luxuries. Which if you have a partner (and kids) doesn't last 5 minutes.

If Adobe really want to get companies buying their software (they are the only ones who can afford it) they should give it away for free to home users/students, etc. and foster a feeling of loyalty to themselves. At the moment all those students who pirate it end up resenting Adobe so when they start working they think nothing of ripping them off.

And no Elements is not a suitable home product. By giving it away to home/student users they will increase their sales not lose them... Look at 3D Studio Max, they have done this and I've recommended their software to loads of people to buy...