Airport Card <-> B&W G3 Would this do it?: LAN <-> BaseStation <----> BaseStation <-> B&W G3 (I assume it's not too difficult to set up one BaseStation to talk to another...) -- Steve Linford The Spamhaus Project http://www.spamhaus.org [allowsmilie] => 1 [showsignature] => 0 [ipaddress] => [iconid] => 0 [visible] => 1 [attach] => 0 [infraction] => 0 [reportthreadid] => 0 [isusenetpost] => 1 [msgid] => [ref] => [htmlstate] => on_nl2br [postusername] => Steve [ip] => linford@spamhau [isdeleted] => 0 [usergroupid] => [membergroupids] => [displaygroupid] => [password] => [passworddate] => [email] => [styleid] => [parentemail] => [homepage] => [icq] => [aim] => [yahoo] => [msn] => [skype] => [showvbcode] => [showbirthday] => [usertitle] => [customtitle] => [joindate] => [daysprune] => [lastvisit] => [lastactivity] => [lastpost] => [lastpostid] => [posts] => [reputation] => [reputationlevelid] => [timezoneoffset] => [pmpopup] => [avatarid] => [avatarrevision] => [profilepicrevision] => [sigpicrevision] => [options] => [akvbghsfs_optionsfield] => [birthday] => [birthday_search] => [maxposts] => [startofweek] => [referrerid] => [languageid] => [emailstamp] => [threadedmode] => [autosubscribe] => [pmtotal] => [pmunread] => [salt] => [ipoints] => [infractions] => [warnings] => [infractiongroupids] => [infractiongroupid] => [adminoptions] => [profilevisits] => [friendcount] => [friendreqcount] => [vmunreadcount] => [vmmoderatedcount] => [socgroupinvitecount] => [socgroupreqcount] => [pcunreadcount] => [pcmoderatedcount] => [gmmoderatedcount] => [assetposthash] => [fbuserid] => [fbjoindate] => [fbname] => [logintype] => [fbaccesstoken] => [newrepcount] => [vbseo_likes_in] => [vbseo_likes_out] => [vbseo_likes_unread] => [temp] => [field1] => [field2] => [field3] => [field4] => [field5] => [subfolders] => [pmfolders] => [buddylist] => [ignorelist] => [signature] => [searchprefs] => [rank] => [icontitle] => [iconpath] => [avatarpath] => [hascustomavatar] => 0 [avatardateline] => [avwidth] => [avheight] => [edit_userid] => [edit_username] => [edit_dateline] => [edit_reason] => [hashistory] => [pagetext_html] => [hasimages] => [signatureparsed] => [sighasimages] => [sigpic] => [sigpicdateline] => [sigpicwidth] => [sigpicheight] => [postcount] => 1 [islastshown] => [isfirstshown] => 1 [attachments] => [allattachments] => ) --> BaseStation <-> B&W G3[/ref] Yup - most 11g BaseStations today support over-the-air bridging. Its known as "WDS" (wireles distribution system). At home I have some buffalo 11g units (WLA-G54) which do this fine. One even connects a B&W G3 ;-)) I think Airport Extreme BaseStation probably supports this, tho not tested personally. Dunno if the Apple offering has compelling advantages...and its more money - the buffalos were about 80 quid last year ;-)) [ref] > (I assume it's not too difficult to set up one BaseStation to talk to > another...)[/ref] You simply enable WDS and tell each BaseStation the mac addr of the other. As for 70 feet, you'd hopefully get several megabits/sec if the things can see each other. If not, it may go slower. Ext directional antennae on each end improves things. Hope this is (some) use. We now have a small amount of wireless experience here - very happy to help. Chris -- Chris Edwards, Glasgow University Computing Service. 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Airport: How to connect a B&W G3 - Mac Networking

I have a situation where I need to place a B&W G3 in a location approx 70 feet away, inaccessible by cables, to be used as a backup machine storing stuff nightly to a couple of firewire disks. The obvious way would be to use an Airport Extreme BaseStation (maybe with a Dr Bott ExtendAir Antenna), but I don't think B&W G3's can use Airport cards (?) If Airport cards don't work with B&W G3s, is it possble to do away with the card and use another BaseStation instead? i.e: If this isn't possible: LAN <-> BaseStation <----> Airport Card ...

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    Default Airport: How to connect a B&W G3

    I have a situation where I need to place a B&W G3 in a location approx
    70 feet away, inaccessible by cables, to be used as a backup machine
    storing stuff nightly to a couple of firewire disks. The obvious way
    would be to use an Airport Extreme BaseStation (maybe with a Dr Bott
    ExtendAir Antenna), but I don't think B&W G3's can use Airport cards (?)

    If Airport cards don't work with B&W G3s, is it possble to do away with
    the card and use another BaseStation instead? i.e:

    If this isn't possible:
    LAN <-> BaseStation <----> Airport Card <-> B&W G3

    Would this do it?:
    LAN <-> BaseStation <----> BaseStation <-> B&W G3

    (I assume it's not too difficult to set up one BaseStation to talk to
    another...)

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    Default Re: Airport: How to connect a B&W G3

    Steve Linford wrote:
     

    Correct - B&W G3 can't :-(

    ISTR farallon once made a mac-compatible wireless PCI card - but it was
    very expensive and the slower 11b standard.
     

    Yup - most 11g BaseStations today support over-the-air bridging. Its
    known as "WDS" (wireles distribution system).

    At home I have some buffalo 11g units (WLA-G54) which do this fine. One
    even connects a B&W G3 ;-))

    I think Airport Extreme BaseStation probably supports this, tho not
    tested personally. Dunno if the Apple offering has compelling
    advantages...and its more money - the buffalos were about 80 quid last
    year ;-))
     

    You simply enable WDS and tell each BaseStation the mac addr of the other.

    As for 70 feet, you'd hopefully get several megabits/sec if the things
    can see each other. If not, it may go slower. Ext directional antennae
    on each end improves things.

    Hope this is (some) use. We now have a small amount of wireless
    experience here - very happy to help.

    Chris

    --
    Chris Edwards, Glasgow University Computing Service.

    Chris Guest

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    Default Re: Airport: How to connect a B&W G3

    Steve Linford <org> wrote:
     

    No, but they can take PCI cards and Ethernet-to-wireless external
    adapters that will work with Macs.

     

    Yes, but two base stations would be more expensive, especially if you
    use two AirPort Extreme Base Stations, the only Apple models capable of
    wireless bridging (WDS). Buffalo and Belkin both make wireless base
    stations (combined routers and access points) that can do WDS. The
    Buffalo units can do WDS with AirPort Extreme Base Stations and have
    connections for external antennas.

    Neill Guest

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    Default Re: Airport: How to connect a B&W G3

    << If Airport cards don't work with B&W G3s, is it possble to do away with
    the card and use another BaseStation instead? >>

    Steve-

    The simple answer is no. The complicated answer requires a base station that
    supports the WDS system, as others have mentioned.

    I'm faced with a similar problem with my Beige G3 MT. So far, I have found a
    D-Link DWL-810+ Ethernet-to-wireless bridge and a Belkin F5D6050
    USB-to-wireless adapter, that let me join existing wireless networks (NetGear
    MR 314 and Apple Snow). These are both 802.11b devices, but only the Belkin
    USB adapter supports AppleTalk. Other bridges and access points I've tried
    didn't work because they all wanted to be the base station!

    The D-Link can be configured using a web browser. The Belkin requires drivers
    that must be downloaded from their web site, and has a control panel for OS 9.

    The Belkin has a problem booting in OS 9, but I put up with it in order to
    print to an AppleTalk printer connected by ethernet to the base station. It
    often freezes the computer during the boot process. When re-booted, I find
    that AppleTalk has been switched to the Printer Port. When I switch it back to
    the Belkin adapter, it works fine until I shut down and turn the power off.
    (It seems to work OK in OS 10.2.8.)

    The Airport Extreme base station is one that supports the WDS system. I
    recently purchased one, but the WDS system doesn't work with my Apple Snow base
    station. It looks like I'll have to get more like it, or some of the Buffalo
    units, before my old non-Airport/non-USB machines can join the wireless
    network.

    Fred

    Fred Guest

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