ANNOUNCE: WWW::YouTube

[Eric R. Meyers]

Gentlemen and Ladies of the Perl/CPAN Community,

I sincerely need your help, right now, ASAP.

I was a registered developer with YouTube, and they've BLACKLISTED me for
flagging videos in the areas of "hot babes," "foot fetish" and "bondage
tickling."

If you would be so very sensitive and thoughtful as to experiment with my
YouTube Development Interface (YTDI), called WWW::YouTube, I would greatly
appreciate your immediate efforts. And I'll be readily available to help
get you started hitting YouTube with a reality check of a world-wide
collective effort against Pornography and Obscenity in the public domain.

I developed the WWW::YouTube interface to protect children, and YouTube
seems to have a problem with that simple concept, so I'm looking for anyone
who'll help me put some political pressure upon YouTube, to protect
children, teenagers and the General Public.

Please email me at [email]ermeyers@adelphia.net[/email] if you have any questions or
problems setting thing up. Immediate portability fixes will be made
available to you, ASAP.

Thanks,

Eric

[John Bokma]

"Eric R. Meyers" <ermeyers@adelphia.net> wrote:

> greatly appreciate your immediate efforts. And I'll be readily
> available to help get you started hitting YouTube with a reality check
> of a world-wide collective effort against Pornography and Obscenity in
> the public domain.

You mean back to the time young people were ignorant, and got pregnant
because they had no clue what's going on? Your "effort" is a crusade, and
hopefully will fail.


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&
Experienced Perl programmer: [url]http://castleamber.com/[/url]

[Eric R. Meyers]

John Bokma wrote:

> "Eric R. Meyers" <ermeyers@adelphia.net> wrote:
>

>> greatly appreciate your immediate efforts. And I'll be readily
>> available to help get you started hitting YouTube with a reality check
>> of a world-wide collective effort against Pornography and Obscenity in
>> the public domain.

>
> You mean back to the time young people were ignorant, and got pregnant
> because they had no clue what's going on? Your "effort" is a crusade, and
> hopefully will fail.
>
>

No. I mean back to the time, just a few years ago, when people couldn't put
personal stuff like this in the public domain.

this guy <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uByGrzLLTs>
this girl <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bjtd9kmiyMI>

[Eric R. Meyers]

Eric R. Meyers wrote:

> Gentlemen and Ladies of the Perl/CPAN Community,
>
> I sincerely need your help, right now, ASAP.
>
> I was a registered developer with YouTube, and they've BLACKLISTED me for
> flagging videos in the areas of "hot babes," "foot fetish" and "bondage
> tickling."
>
> If you would be so very sensitive and thoughtful as to experiment with my
> YouTube Development Interface (YTDI), called WWW::YouTube, I would greatly
> appreciate your immediate efforts. And I'll be readily available to help
> get you started hitting YouTube with a reality check of a world-wide
> collective effort against Pornography and Obscenity in the public domain.
>
> I developed the WWW::YouTube interface to protect children, and YouTube
> seems to have a problem with that simple concept, so I'm looking for
> anyone who'll help me put some political pressure upon YouTube, to protect
> children, teenagers and the General Public.
>
> Please email me at [email]ermeyers@adelphia.net[/email] if you have any questions or
> problems setting thing up. Immediate portability fixes will be made
> available to you, ASAP.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Eric

Update. YouTube reinstated my account today.

[Randal L. Schwartz]

>>>>> "Eric" == Eric R Meyers <ermeyers@adelphia.net> writes:

Eric> No. I mean back to the time, just a few years ago, when people couldn't put
Eric> personal stuff like this in the public domain.

[urls deleted, which I didn't watch]

Uh, when was that, exactly, in your fictional alternate timeline?

As far as I can tell, except for a few restrictions about copyright
violations, libelous content and child pornography, there are really no
restrictions on the content you might find on *any* URL, and there never have
been, at least in the US.

So, what color is the sky on your planet?

print "Just another Perl hacker,"; # the original
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[Eric R. Meyers]

Randal L. Schwartz wrote:

>>>>>> "Eric" == Eric R Meyers <ermeyers@adelphia.net> writes:

>
> Eric> No. I mean back to the time, just a few years ago, when people
> couldn't put Eric> personal stuff like this in the public domain.
>
> [urls deleted, which I didn't watch]
>
> Uh, when was that, exactly, in your fictional alternate timeline?
>

1 min = 60 sec
1 hr = 60 min
1 day = 24 hr
....

> As far as I can tell, except for a few restrictions about copyright
> violations, libelous content and child pornography, there are really no
> restrictions on the content you might find on *any* URL, and there never
> have been, at least in the US.

There are "real" restrictions made readily available to us, and "real" and
already well established standards. There are "real" and well stated Terms
of Use, or Terms of Service, on most internet websites, at least in the US.

>
> So, what color is the sky on your planet?

Mostly blue I'd say, during the day, but mostly black at night. But if I
went way up on the planet, or way down on the planet, the sky is sometimes
always blue, because the really big yellow thing that we call the Sun
doesn't go down below the horizon for quite some time, or sometimes always
black, because the really big yellow thing doesn't show up for a while.

>
> print "Just another Perl hacker,"; # the original

You didn't watch? : ( Typical antagonist.

* P : Pornography or Obscenity
* I : Illegal Acts
* G : Graphic Violence
* R : Racially or Ethnically Offensive Content

This is not a "fictional" witch hunt or a zealous "crusade," it is simply
about getting some responsible adults to watch, and find out what is out
there for anyone to see, including children.

I've found that places like YouTube, who are actually trying to keep it
"FUN, CLEAN and REAL," are swamped with the massive volume of inappropriate
material being published. They have mechanisms to clean things up, but
YouTube relies mostly on its users to flag any content found to be
inappropriate for public view.

Seeing this as a parent, I wrote a program to expedite the identification
and flagging of things that I don't think that my kids or anyone else's
kids should see by accident. I generally don't want to see it by accident
either.

F-off.

[John Bokma]

"Eric R. Meyers" <ermeyers@adelphia.net> wrote:

> John Bokma wrote:
>

>> "Eric R. Meyers" <ermeyers@adelphia.net> wrote:
>>

>>> greatly appreciate your immediate efforts. And I'll be readily
>>> available to help get you started hitting YouTube with a reality
>>> check of a world-wide collective effort against Pornography and
>>> Obscenity in the public domain.

>>
>> You mean back to the time young people were ignorant, and got
>> pregnant because they had no clue what's going on? Your "effort" is a
>> crusade, and hopefully will fail.

>
> No. I mean back to the time, just a few years ago, when people
> couldn't put personal stuff like this in the public domain.
>
> this guy <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uByGrzLLTs>

I have to log in to get there (couldn't be bugged), and to press a confirm
button.

> this girl <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bjtd9kmiyMI>

Both people look old enough to me to be aware about what they are doing.

What is your crusade about? Having them banned from YouTube to protect
them?

--
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&
Experienced Perl programmer: [url]http://castleamber.com/[/url]

[Eric Schwartz]

John Bokma <john@castleamber.com> writes:

> What is your crusade about? Having them banned from YouTube to protect
> them?

YouTube allows pornographic videos (among others) to be flagged, and
reserves to itself the right to remove said videos and/or ban the
people who posted them. The OP seems to be trying to make it easier
for people to flag videos as inappropiate, which action (the flagging,
though apparently not the making easier) is not only allowed, but
encouraged, by YouTube-- though I must confess that, offhand, I don't
see how it's any easier than clicking on the "Flag as Inappropriate"
link. Then again, I think a lot of things people do are harder than
necessary (such as running Windows), and I don't see a problem with
letting them do that anyway.

-=Eric

[Eric R. Meyers]

John Bokma wrote:

> "Eric R. Meyers" <ermeyers@adelphia.net> wrote:
>

>> John Bokma wrote:
>>

>>> "Eric R. Meyers" <ermeyers@adelphia.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> greatly appreciate your immediate efforts. And I'll be readily
>>>> available to help get you started hitting YouTube with a reality
>>>> check of a world-wide collective effort against Pornography and
>>>> Obscenity in the public domain.
>>>
>>> You mean back to the time young people were ignorant, and got
>>> pregnant because they had no clue what's going on? Your "effort" is a
>>> crusade, and hopefully will fail.

>>
>> No. I mean back to the time, just a few years ago, when people
>> couldn't put personal stuff like this in the public domain.
>>
>> this guy <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uByGrzLLTs>

>
> I have to log in to get there (couldn't be bugged), and to press a confirm
> button.
>

>> this girl <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bjtd9kmiyMI>

>
> Both people look old enough to me to be aware about what they are doing.
>
> What is your crusade about? Having them banned from YouTube to protect
> them?
>

They don't get banned, unless they have violated YouTube's Terms of Use
policy. You saw it with the guy's video. You could not see it, right?
Because you've not registered as an adult at YouTube. I flagged his video,
but I haven't flagged the girl's video yet, because I need it that way
right now to demonstrate to you, Doubting Thomas, about what is going on.
You could not see his video, because his video has been flagged as
inappropriate material. His video is still readily available for viewing
by registered adults, if they explicitly tell YouTube that they choose to
view that type of adult material during their current login session.

It's completely up to the adult, but kept away from the children, teenagers
and the general public. Got it? Do you have any civil rights problems
with that?

The girl's video can still be viewed by children, teenagers and the general
public, because I haven't flagged it yet. She is not banned from YouTube,
and she won't be banned after I flag her video to keep it out of the public
domain. This is the way that YouTube works, and I think that it is very
fair to all members of the general public and the YouTube user community.

The problem is the amount of inappropriate material coming in regularly. I
decided to register as a developer with YouTube, and I've developed
WWW::YouTube with a program to speed things up for me to find and flag
adult content, for the simple purpose of protecting kids, teenagers and the
general public from having to be exposed to things that they don't
explicitly choose to watch within the usage terms that YouTube has defined.

Does this still seem like a zealous crusade to you, or is YouTube's approach
a very fair and reasonable means to handle the growing Pornography and
Obscenity issues that we "Parents" face today?

[John Bokma]

"Eric R. Meyers" <ermeyers@adelphia.net> wrote:

> Does this still seem like a zealous crusade to you,

Maybe reread what you just wrote. The answer is obvious.

> or is YouTube's
> approach a very fair and reasonable means to handle the growing
> Pornography and Obscenity issues that we "Parents" face today?

With "Parents" you mean those adults that think that education is up to
the school and governement?

--
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&
Experienced Perl programmer: [url]http://castleamber.com/[/url]

[Eric R. Meyers]

John Bokma wrote:

> "Eric R. Meyers" <ermeyers@adelphia.net> wrote:
>

>> Does this still seem like a zealous crusade to you,

>
> Maybe reread what you just wrote. The answer is obvious.
>

>> or is YouTube's
>> approach a very fair and reasonable means to handle the growing
>> Pornography and Obscenity issues that we "Parents" face today?

>
> With "Parents" you mean those adults that think that education is up to
> the school and governement?
>

Hey! I'm not your Dad. The answer is no.

Education:

What do children and teenagers need to learn about in their formative years?

First:
"FUN, CLEAN and REAL" kid stuff, in a safe and nurturing environment.

Second:
Other more complicated stuff, with professional and parental guidance.

Gradually:
Adult stuff, with age appropriate education and parental guidance.

Never:
How to Self-worship yourself, by sucking on your own F-ing toes! : )

[John Bokma]

"Eric R. Meyers" <ermeyers@adelphia.net> wrote:

> First:
> "FUN, CLEAN and REAL" kid stuff, in a safe and nurturing
> environment.

Sex is fun, can be clean, and is certainly real. Sucking on your own toes
can be fun if they are clean, and kids do such things :-D

> Never:
> How to Self-worship yourself, by sucking on your own F-ing
> toes! : )

Ah, well, let's hope you are indeed not serious there. Since if that's
already a never, what would you have to say on the topic of masturbation?

--
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Experienced Perl programmer: [url]http://castleamber.com/[/url]

[Eric R. Meyers]

John Bokma wrote:

> "Eric R. Meyers" <ermeyers@adelphia.net> wrote:
>

>> First:
>> "FUN, CLEAN and REAL" kid stuff, in a safe and nurturing
>> environment.

>
>
> Sex is fun, can be clean, and is certainly real. Sucking on your own toes
> can be fun if they are clean, and kids do such things :-D
>

>> Never:
>> How to Self-worship yourself, by sucking on your own F-ing
>> toes! : )

>
> Ah, well, let's hope you are indeed not serious there. Since if that's
> already a never, what would you have to say on the topic of masturbation?
>

I know Socrates, and believe me you are no Socrates.

I can't debate with you too much longer, because there is no way in hell
that you are going to convert me into a Liberal Democrat, okay. My ethical
foundations are quite well established, so my ideals and values, are what
they are, and you're not going to change me, anymore than I'm going to
change you. Agreed? My value set goes into my children, and your's in
yours.

If I had thought to videotape my children, sucking on their fingers and toes
in the crib, I'd publish that video on YouTube like any other proud Dad
would do. Because my children were beautiful babies, like all others.

I'm an absolute zealot about my children, like all Dads should be.

You make a serious mistake to confuse the dawning of a young developing
human being, the complete innocence of an infant at play, as it learns
where the body begins, and learns where the body ends, in an adult
discussion about Pornography and Obscenity. I'm sorry. You're going too
far there with your toe sucking analogy.

Yes sir, like another saying goes -- "Masterbation happens!" But when I see
some guy or girl mastering themselves in a public video published on
YouTube, I flag his or her ass, ASAP! Yes sir, that may have been me who
did that to your "special feature" video the other day. Sorry -- NOT!

I have yet to flag any dog humping a stuffed animal video, and I've seen a
few of those videos in my passing. My kids saw our dog humping their
stuffed animals, but I didn't have any video tape at the time, so that I
couldn't publish it globally, in order to educate the entire general public
on the proper technique for any well-groomed Beagle to hump a child's
favorite stuffed bunny.

Someone else flagged the horny donkey chasing the guy in the field, not me.

Had fun! : )

[Randal L. Schwartz]

>>>>> "Eric" == Eric R Meyers <ermeyers@adelphia.net> writes:

Eric> You didn't watch? : ( Typical antagonist.

No, I happen to want to ensure that first amendment rights between consenting
adults are protected, and that people (perhaps like you) don't get to select
what I may choose or not choose to watch by *consent*.

If you had said:

I want to help develop a self-rating system so that others who share
my views can filter things within our community.

You would have gotten my support. Instead, you came off as (sorry
if this is not accurate... this is just my impression):

I want to ensure that NOBODY can see the kind of AMAZINGLY AWFUL STUFF
I just found on you-tube (OMG!).

See, if you aren't censoring me, and you can respect that I may want to watch
the stuff that you abhor, I can also respect that you want to watch a
different set of things. After all, I consider some forms of country music
rather obscene, as well as some bagpipe playing. But that doesn't mean I
consider those who listen to it inherently demented, and try to make sure
that *no* website carries bagpipe music.

That's where you are failing in your plea. Speak about it as "I am a member
of group X, and I want to make it easier for OTHER MEMBERS OF GROUP X to
select what we see on YouTube". You'll get hella more support for that.

Don't make me wrong for wanting different things. Work with me on this.

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[Jürgen Exner]

Eric R. Meyers wrote:

>>> this girl <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bjtd9kmiyMI>

[...]

> approach a very fair and reasonable means to handle the growing
> Pornography and Obscenity issues that we "Parents" face today?

Out of curiosity I couldn't help watching the aforementioned video.
Just one question: in which country or society does licking your own feet
constitute pornography of obscenity?

jue

[Eric R. Meyers]

KEYWORD: YouTube
KEYWORD: Registered
KEYWORD: Adults
KEYWORD: Terms of Use
KEYWORD: Rating System
KEYWORD: Children (Kids)
KEYWORD: Teenagers (Kids)
KEYWORD: group PARENT
KEYWORD: Flagging

Randal L. Schwartz wrote:

>>>>>> "Eric" == Eric R Meyers <ermeyers@adelphia.net> writes:

>
> Eric> You didn't watch? : ( Typical antagonist.
>
> No, I happen to want to ensure that first amendment rights between
> consenting adults are protected, and that people (perhaps like you) don't
> get to select what I may choose or not choose to watch by *consent*.
>

YouTube's Registered Adults can do what they want to do on YouTube, as long
as it it within the Terms of Use guidelines that YouTube has defined.

YouTube says it wants its public forum to be "FUN, CLEAN and REAL."

YouTube's flagging simply takes a video out of public view, yet YouTube's
Registered Adults can still explicitly choose to view those videos deemed
inappropriate for viewing by the general public.

> If you had said:
>
> I want to help develop a self-rating system so that others who
> share my views can filter things within our community.
>
> You would have gotten my support. Instead, you came off as (sorry
> if this is not accurate... this is just my impression):
>
> I want to ensure that NOBODY can see the kind of AMAZINGLY AWFUL
> STUFF I just found on you-tube (OMG!).
>

KEYWORD: NOBODY => NO Kids

> See, if you aren't censoring me, and you can respect that I may want to
> watch the stuff that you abhor, I can also respect that you want to watch
> a
> different set of things. After all, I consider some forms of country
> music
> rather obscene, as well as some bagpipe playing. But that doesn't mean I
> consider those who listen to it inherently demented, and try to make sure
> that *no* website carries bagpipe music.
>
> That's where you are failing in your plea. Speak about it as "I am a
> member of group X, and I want to make it easier for OTHER MEMBERS OF GROUP
> X to
> select what we see on YouTube". You'll get hella more support for that.

>
> Don't make me wrong for wanting different things. Work with me on this.
>

YouTube has defined all of the operating parameters for their website.

The Rating System included.

I simply wrote a fairly complex prototype that pushes the right buttons at
YouTube to expedite the search and flagging process.

No harm done to your adult rights, because I'm just exercising my own adult
rights to protect my children, that is all.

[Eric R. Meyers]

Jürgen Exner wrote:

> Eric R. Meyers wrote:

>>>> this girl <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bjtd9kmiyMI>

> [...]

>> approach a very fair and reasonable means to handle the growing
>> Pornography and Obscenity issues that we "Parents" face today?

>
> Out of curiosity I couldn't help watching the aforementioned video.
> Just one question: in which country or society does licking your own feet
> constitute pornography of obscenity?
>
> jue

Pick one. : )

[url]http://www.hyperdictionary.com/search.aspx?define=inappropriate[/url]

[url]http://www.hyperdictionary.com/search.aspx?define=Pornography[/url]
[url]http://www.hyperdictionary.com/search.aspx?define=Obscenity[/url]

[url]http://www.hyperdictionary.com/search.aspx?define=self-worship[/url]
[url]http://www.hyperdictionary.com/search.aspx?define=fetishism[/url]

[John Bokma]

"Eric R. Meyers" <ermeyers@adelphia.net> wrote:

> No harm done to your adult rights, because I'm just exercising my own
> adult rights to protect my children, that is all.

Who's proctecting them from you?

--
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[Eric R. Meyers]

John Bokma wrote:

> "Eric R. Meyers" <ermeyers@adelphia.net> wrote:
>

>> No harm done to your adult rights, because I'm just exercising my own
>> adult rights to protect my children, that is all.

>
> Who's proctecting them from you?
>

There Mother.

[John Bokma]

"Jürgen Exner" <jurgenex@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Eric R. Meyers wrote:

>>>> this girl <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bjtd9kmiyMI>

> [...]

>> approach a very fair and reasonable means to handle the growing
>> Pornography and Obscenity issues that we "Parents" face today?

>
> Out of curiosity I couldn't help watching the aforementioned video.
> Just one question: in which country or society does licking your own
> feet constitute pornography of obscenity?

Well IMO the girl's act was quite erotic :-) Maybe a better question is,
how many kids will consider it "OMG!!! Grooowwwwse!!"


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