another request for OPINIONS

[John Sparrow]

While I sympathise with what you're saying, be aware that novices
sometimes don't know how to phrase a question to the online help. For
example, "how do I create a 'variable' that lives between requests".
If they don't know it's called the session state (or viewstate, or
cache or whatever) they aren't going to get anything.

I've often found this newsgroup to be a useful reference resource,
pointing me in the right direction for more full answers on the online
help. It's not the fault of the online help authors – they know the
framework intimately (usually!), and that makes you think a little
differently to the novice.

John

"David Waz..." <dlw@pickpro.com> wrote in message news:<%kKNa.160$oA4.146620514@newssvr11.news.prodi gy.com>...

> this is something I'd like to hear opinion on..
>
> Is this N.G. for real questions, or to answer things that could be found out
> by pressing F1 in the environment?
>
> Perhaps a new group is needed for those who don't read the documentation
> available on their own machines.
>
> I see questions like "what is WITHEVENTS" or "what is PROTECTED" or "how do
> I create a 'variable' that lives between requests"
>
> Forgive me, but put your cursor on those funny words, press F1 and READ.
> Save this site as a resource of, if not LAST resort, at least not FIRST
> RESORT.
>
> $0.02

[Kevin Spencer]

> Save this site as a resource of, if not LAST resort, at least not FIRST

> RESORT.

So, when you posted this message, was it your last resort?

HTH,

Kevin Spencer
Microsoft FrontPage MVP
Internet Developer
[url]http://www.takempis.com[/url]
Some things just happen.
Everything else occurs.

"David Waz..." <dlw@pickpro.com> wrote in message
news:%kKNa.160$oA4.146620514@newssvr11.news.prodig y.com...

> this is something I'd like to hear opinion on..
>
> Is this N.G. for real questions, or to answer things that could be found

out

> by pressing F1 in the environment?
>
> Perhaps a new group is needed for those who don't read the documentation
> available on their own machines.
>
> I see questions like "what is WITHEVENTS" or "what is PROTECTED" or "how

do

> I create a 'variable' that lives between requests"
>
> Forgive me, but put your cursor on those funny words, press F1 and READ.
> Save this site as a resource of, if not LAST resort, at least not FIRST
> RESORT.
>
> $0.02
>
>

[David Waz...]

almost,
And I've yet to get an answer on my issue.
and I did a ton of reading and research before asking for help here.

"Kevin Spencer" <kevin@SPAMMERSSUCKtakempis.com> wrote in message
news:uTzGdJIRDHA.3144@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...

> > Save this site as a resource of, if not LAST resort, at least not FIRST
> > RESORT.

>
> So, when you posted this message, was it your last resort?
>
> HTH,
>
> Kevin Spencer
> Microsoft FrontPage MVP
> Internet Developer
> [url]http://www.takempis.com[/url]
> Some things just happen.
> Everything else occurs.
>
> "David Waz..." <dlw@pickpro.com> wrote in message
> news:%kKNa.160$oA4.146620514@newssvr11.news.prodig y.com...

> > this is something I'd like to hear opinion on..
> >
> > Is this N.G. for real questions, or to answer things that could be found

> out

> > by pressing F1 in the environment?
> >
> > Perhaps a new group is needed for those who don't read the documentation
> > available on their own machines.
> >
> > I see questions like "what is WITHEVENTS" or "what is PROTECTED" or "how

> do

> > I create a 'variable' that lives between requests"
> >
> > Forgive me, but put your cursor on those funny words, press F1 and READ.
> > Save this site as a resource of, if not LAST resort, at least not FIRST
> > RESORT.
> >
> > $0.02
> >
> >

>
>
>

[David Waz...]

and I don't see your opinion here...
What do you think?


"Kevin Spencer" <kevin@SPAMMERSSUCKtakempis.com> wrote in message
news:uTzGdJIRDHA.3144@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...

> > Save this site as a resource of, if not LAST resort, at least not FIRST
> > RESORT.

>
> So, when you posted this message, was it your last resort?
>
> HTH,
>
> Kevin Spencer
> Microsoft FrontPage MVP
> Internet Developer
> [url]http://www.takempis.com[/url]
> Some things just happen.
> Everything else occurs.
>
> "David Waz..." <dlw@pickpro.com> wrote in message
> news:%kKNa.160$oA4.146620514@newssvr11.news.prodig y.com...

> > this is something I'd like to hear opinion on..
> >
> > Is this N.G. for real questions, or to answer things that could be found

> out

> > by pressing F1 in the environment?
> >
> > Perhaps a new group is needed for those who don't read the documentation
> > available on their own machines.
> >
> > I see questions like "what is WITHEVENTS" or "what is PROTECTED" or "how

> do

> > I create a 'variable' that lives between requests"
> >
> > Forgive me, but put your cursor on those funny words, press F1 and READ.
> > Save this site as a resource of, if not LAST resort, at least not FIRST
> > RESORT.
> >
> > $0.02
> >
> >

>
>
>

[joe]

well...you know what they say about opinions right?


"David Waz..." <dlw@pickpro.com> wrote in message
news:uWnOa.1126$um1.205@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com ...

> and I don't see your opinion here...
> What do you think?
>
>
> "Kevin Spencer" <kevin@SPAMMERSSUCKtakempis.com> wrote in message
> news:uTzGdJIRDHA.3144@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...

> > > Save this site as a resource of, if not LAST resort, at least not

FIRST

> > > RESORT.

> >
> > So, when you posted this message, was it your last resort?
> >
> > HTH,
> >
> > Kevin Spencer
> > Microsoft FrontPage MVP
> > Internet Developer
> > [url]http://www.takempis.com[/url]
> > Some things just happen.
> > Everything else occurs.
> >
> > "David Waz..." <dlw@pickpro.com> wrote in message
> > news:%kKNa.160$oA4.146620514@newssvr11.news.prodig y.com...

> > > this is something I'd like to hear opinion on..
> > >
> > > Is this N.G. for real questions, or to answer things that could be

found

> > out

> > > by pressing F1 in the environment?
> > >
> > > Perhaps a new group is needed for those who don't read the

documentation

> > > available on their own machines.
> > >
> > > I see questions like "what is WITHEVENTS" or "what is PROTECTED" or

"how

> > do

> > > I create a 'variable' that lives between requests"
> > >
> > > Forgive me, but put your cursor on those funny words, press F1 and

READ.

> > > Save this site as a resource of, if not LAST resort, at least not

FIRST

> > > RESORT.
> > >
> > > $0.02
> > >
> > >

> >
> >
> >

>
>

[Kevin Spencer]

Well, David, I'm not very fond of participating in debates and discussions
concerning opinions, but since you asked, I'll give you my best observations
and analysis after nearly 6 years as a Microsoft MVP helping people with
Microsoft products and technologies.

A wise man once said "big bugs have littler bugs to bite 'em, and so on and
so forth ad infinitum." In the software world, there are about as many
levels of expertise as there are in the Chess world. Some people fall into
the "AOL User" category. My mother was one of those, God bless her. If I
said "icon" I had to explain to her that an icon was a little picture that
you clicked on the desktop of your computer. And then I'd have to explain
what a desktop was. Make no mistake, I get as frustrated as the next guy
when reading questions that I feel the person could have answered for
themselves with a little research, such as pressing the "F1" key. However,
it is a mistake to think that things which are obvious to me should be
obvious to everyone. And there are people out there who know so much more
about .Net and programming than myself that I can hardly claim to be at the
top of that ladder (of course, most of them work for Microsoft! ;-) )

I suppose I know as much about .Net as nearly everyone out there, but .Net
is huge, and the CLR is even huger. Now and then I find myself taking
advantage of the communities here and asking a question that, if I spent
enough man-hours, I could probably answer for myself. At any rate, I don't
think I've ever been accused of asking a stupid question. However, again,
what is stupid and what is obvious are hard questions to answer when you
consider the broad spectrum of personalities, resources, and brains out
there.

IMHO, should another newsgroup be created for those who don't read the
documentation on their own machines? Well, first of all, what documentation
does everyone have on their machines? Some people out there don't have
expensive software like Visual Studio.Net. Some people out there only have
the .Net platform installed on their machines, and that doesn't even come
with the .Net SDK. Yes, the .Net SDK is free, but how many people know where
to get it? I tell them as often as I can. On the other hand, people learn in
different ways. Personally, I am an independent person who learns best by
researching and reading documentation. But not everyone learns best that
way. I try to keep that in mind.

If this newsgroup was inundated with far too many messages to read and deal
with, I would probably say "yes" to the question of adding another
newsgroup. However, the number of questions posted to this NG is certainly
manageable, and without any other real justification for making this
information that much harder to find (the more places you have to look for
information, the harder it is to find), I wouldn't recommend splitting this
one out.

When I get frustrated with someone who asks a "stupid" question, I just
laugh and share it privately with a friend. If the question is nearly
impossible to answer, I more often than not simply ignore it. Otherwise, I
diligently attempt to remove all the sarcasm and arrogance from my attitude,
and compose an answer which will be understood by the individual who asks,
keeping in mind that there have been and always will be others who may look
down upon my relative ignorance from the same perspective.

HTH,

Kevin Spencer
Microsoft FrontPage MVP
Internet Developer
[url]http://www.takempis.com[/url]
Some things just happen.
Everything else occurs.

"David Waz..." <dlw@pickpro.com> wrote in message
news:uWnOa.1126$um1.205@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com ...

> and I don't see your opinion here...
> What do you think?
>
>
> "Kevin Spencer" <kevin@SPAMMERSSUCKtakempis.com> wrote in message
> news:uTzGdJIRDHA.3144@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...

> > > Save this site as a resource of, if not LAST resort, at least not

FIRST

> > > RESORT.

> >
> > So, when you posted this message, was it your last resort?
> >
> > HTH,
> >
> > Kevin Spencer
> > Microsoft FrontPage MVP
> > Internet Developer
> > [url]http://www.takempis.com[/url]
> > Some things just happen.
> > Everything else occurs.
> >
> > "David Waz..." <dlw@pickpro.com> wrote in message
> > news:%kKNa.160$oA4.146620514@newssvr11.news.prodig y.com...

> > > this is something I'd like to hear opinion on..
> > >
> > > Is this N.G. for real questions, or to answer things that could be

found

> > out

> > > by pressing F1 in the environment?
> > >
> > > Perhaps a new group is needed for those who don't read the

documentation

> > > available on their own machines.
> > >
> > > I see questions like "what is WITHEVENTS" or "what is PROTECTED" or

"how

> > do

> > > I create a 'variable' that lives between requests"
> > >
> > > Forgive me, but put your cursor on those funny words, press F1 and

READ.

> > > Save this site as a resource of, if not LAST resort, at least not

FIRST

> > > RESORT.
> > >
> > > $0.02
> > >
> > >

> >
> >
> >

>
>

[msnews.microsoft.com]

I'm all for microsoft.public.dotnet.i.dont.rtfm

"Kevin Spencer" <kevin@SPAMMERSSUCKtakempis.com> wrote in message
news:OHJlh#URDHA.2332@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...

> Well, David, I'm not very fond of participating in debates and discussions
> concerning opinions, but since you asked, I'll give you my best

observations

> and analysis after nearly 6 years as a Microsoft MVP helping people with
> Microsoft products and technologies.
>
> A wise man once said "big bugs have littler bugs to bite 'em, and so on

and

> so forth ad infinitum." In the software world, there are about as many
> levels of expertise as there are in the Chess world. Some people fall into
> the "AOL User" category. My mother was one of those, God bless her. If I
> said "icon" I had to explain to her that an icon was a little picture that
> you clicked on the desktop of your computer. And then I'd have to explain
> what a desktop was. Make no mistake, I get as frustrated as the next guy
> when reading questions that I feel the person could have answered for
> themselves with a little research, such as pressing the "F1" key. However,
> it is a mistake to think that things which are obvious to me should be
> obvious to everyone. And there are people out there who know so much more
> about .Net and programming than myself that I can hardly claim to be at

the

> top of that ladder (of course, most of them work for Microsoft! ;-) )
>
> I suppose I know as much about .Net as nearly everyone out there, but .Net
> is huge, and the CLR is even huger. Now and then I find myself taking
> advantage of the communities here and asking a question that, if I spent
> enough man-hours, I could probably answer for myself. At any rate, I don't
> think I've ever been accused of asking a stupid question. However, again,
> what is stupid and what is obvious are hard questions to answer when you
> consider the broad spectrum of personalities, resources, and brains out
> there.
>
> IMHO, should another newsgroup be created for those who don't read the
> documentation on their own machines? Well, first of all, what

documentation

> does everyone have on their machines? Some people out there don't have
> expensive software like Visual Studio.Net. Some people out there only have
> the .Net platform installed on their machines, and that doesn't even come
> with the .Net SDK. Yes, the .Net SDK is free, but how many people know

where

> to get it? I tell them as often as I can. On the other hand, people learn

in

> different ways. Personally, I am an independent person who learns best by
> researching and reading documentation. But not everyone learns best that
> way. I try to keep that in mind.
>
> If this newsgroup was inundated with far too many messages to read and

deal

> with, I would probably say "yes" to the question of adding another
> newsgroup. However, the number of questions posted to this NG is certainly
> manageable, and without any other real justification for making this
> information that much harder to find (the more places you have to look for
> information, the harder it is to find), I wouldn't recommend splitting

this

> one out.
>
> When I get frustrated with someone who asks a "stupid" question, I just
> laugh and share it privately with a friend. If the question is nearly
> impossible to answer, I more often than not simply ignore it. Otherwise, I
> diligently attempt to remove all the sarcasm and arrogance from my

attitude,

> and compose an answer which will be understood by the individual who asks,
> keeping in mind that there have been and always will be others who may

look

> down upon my relative ignorance from the same perspective.
>
> HTH,
>
> Kevin Spencer
> Microsoft FrontPage MVP
> Internet Developer
> [url]http://www.takempis.com[/url]
> Some things just happen.
> Everything else occurs.
>
> "David Waz..." <dlw@pickpro.com> wrote in message
> news:uWnOa.1126$um1.205@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com ...

> > and I don't see your opinion here...
> > What do you think?
> >
> >
> > "Kevin Spencer" <kevin@SPAMMERSSUCKtakempis.com> wrote in message
> > news:uTzGdJIRDHA.3144@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...

> > > > Save this site as a resource of, if not LAST resort, at least not

> FIRST

> > > > RESORT.
> > >
> > > So, when you posted this message, was it your last resort?
> > >
> > > HTH,
> > >
> > > Kevin Spencer
> > > Microsoft FrontPage MVP
> > > Internet Developer
> > > [url]http://www.takempis.com[/url]
> > > Some things just happen.
> > > Everything else occurs.
> > >
> > > "David Waz..." <dlw@pickpro.com> wrote in message
> > > news:%kKNa.160$oA4.146620514@newssvr11.news.prodig y.com...
> > > > this is something I'd like to hear opinion on..
> > > >
> > > > Is this N.G. for real questions, or to answer things that could be

> found

> > > out
> > > > by pressing F1 in the environment?
> > > >
> > > > Perhaps a new group is needed for those who don't read the

> documentation

> > > > available on their own machines.
> > > >
> > > > I see questions like "what is WITHEVENTS" or "what is PROTECTED" or

> "how

> > > do
> > > > I create a 'variable' that lives between requests"
> > > >
> > > > Forgive me, but put your cursor on those funny words, press F1 and

> READ.

> > > > Save this site as a resource of, if not LAST resort, at least not

> FIRST

> > > > RESORT.
> > > >
> > > > $0.02
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >

> >
> >

>
>