[email]egypt11hotmail.com[/email] (cooljigs) wrote in message news:<28779312.0306220937.5140d50posting.google.c om>...
> > >
> > > Thanks for your posts. It is very informative. I however am just
> > > trying this out on our lab network which contains almost the same
> > > infrastructure as our production network.
> > >
> > > What I want to do though is much simpler - I want to NOT use Oracle
> > > backup agents. I simply want to use Arcserve 9's Universal Client
> > > Agent so I can perform a complete OS-level backup with Disaster
> > > Recovery. A separate Oracle backup is performed on the server itself
> > > using Oracle scripts (this is not my area so I can't provide detailed
> > > info). The restore is 2 parts - the OS-level restore and then the
> > > restore from the Oracle backup.
> > >
> > > The trouble is, as soon as I do a remote install of the Universal
> > > Client Agent for Windows, I can no longer start Oracle even though all
> > > the Oracle-related services are supposedly running.
> > >
> > > I have Oracle 9i on a Win2K Std. Server with SP3. Any help on this
> > > would be appreciated.
> > >
> > > By the way, during the remote install, Arcserve automatically selects
> > > the Oracle agents in addition to the Universal Client agent. I simply
> > > de-selected the Oracle agents since I did not want to install them.
> >
> > I'm not sure whether this approach is advisable.
> > First of all: your O/S backup will be worthless, as it is conducted on an
> > *open* database. You will answer your scripts will be responsible for the
> > Oracle backup, but stil you will be in the situation where you backup a
> > substantial part of the disks *2* times, where the O/S backup will be
> > worthlesss. I would simply refuse to do this. The Arcserve product should
> > work, building own scripts would cost more than the price the Arcserve
> > agent, they won't be tightly integrated, there won't be any backup history
> > etc , etc. and I expect this will also be less reliable.
> > In short: your approach stinks.
> >
> > 'No longer start Oracle' The problem with such a blank statement is you only
> > state 'It doesn't work' and people here should look in their crystall ball,
> > where you so far failed to do the obvious
> > - check the eventlog
> > - check oradim.log
> > - check the alert log of the instance.
>
> Thanks for your prompt reply. The existing approach (using NTBackup)
> actually works. We are able to perform a complete system recovery
> including the Oracle database(s)in our disaster recovery tests. Of
> course, there are still lost transactions - the ones that did not make
> the OS/Oracle backup - but otherwise, the results are good. With
> regards to duplicate backups of files, well, the backup skips open
> files so the backup isn't that redundant.
>
> I agree with you - having the backup disjointed has big disadvantages.
> At least though, the Oracle backup and the OS backup are in one tape.
> One thing I'd like to stress out is that I am NOT an Oracle DBA and I
> know very little about Oracle technologies. I am but a lowly systems
> admin delegated the task of backing up our Oracle systems. Our very
> busy (overworked) developers would be willing to help me once they are
> done with application development. In the meantime, I have to find a
> way to backup their work without interrupting their work. In short,
> I'm doing the best that I can with the limited time and knowledge that
> I possess.
>
> To get the Oracle Agents to work, I would imagine that I will need the
> developers' involvement to ensure that all the databases are backed
> up, etc. But if I cannot even get the Universal Windows Agent to work
> just by itself, I'm quite concerned with going a step further. With
> regards to "no longer start Oracle", I am unsure how to articulate
> this further. I have checked the OS event logs and found it to be very
> uninformative. The oradim logs and alert logs - these I did not check
> since these are unknown to me (thanks for pointing them out). The only
> way I can gauge the Oracle services failure is that prior to
> installing the Universal Agent, everything worked and no one made any
> other change. Perhaps there is a conflict with the ports used by
> certain Oracle services and the Arcserve agents?
>
> One other critical piece of information I neglected to mention - I am
> running a centralized backup system using a DLT library attached to a
> host backup server.
Still not having luck with the Universal Agents. I'm looking at
alternative means to create a faster means of data backup. I'm now
experimenting with PowerQuest V2i Protector.