avoiding flash

[Flashjunky webforumsuser@macromedia.com]

You can do all sorts of eyecandy with JS if you code for IE... they have these cool things called Filters :)

I think you can mess about with filters in the CSS creator in DWMX, not sure, but I code my own...

Anyway - as to the time swap you can use the window.setTimeuut() method for force a reload with an different image...

The only thing I'll add is do a google for the tutorials, they ARE out there :p

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[Murray *TMM*]

Louise:

Kaosweaver and PVII have extensions that will do this. You should be
concerned about adding weight if your images are heavy.

And the fading is not going to be cross-browser, and will add javascript to
the page. I'd elect not to do this.

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"Louise" <LouiseKennedyNOSPAM@NOSPAMcomcast.net> wrote in message
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> I'd like to have a sequence of different photographs swapped out say at 5
> second intervals, maybe fading in and out, but not with a mouse over
> command, I just want it to happen on its own. But I don't want to do it

with

> flash. Is there a way to do this? Could I do this in javascript? I'm also
> worried about adding weight to the page.
>
> The photographs would be the eye candy of the page, so it's important that
> this works smoothly.
>
> thank you for any help.
>
> Louise
>
>

[Dan Vendel *GOF*]

Louise wrote:

> I'd like to have a sequence of different photographs swapped out say at 5
> second intervals, maybe fading in and out, but not with a mouse over
> command, I just want it to happen on its own. But I don't want to do it with
> flash. Is there a way to do this? Could I do this in javascript? I'm also
> worried about adding weight to the page.
>
> The photographs would be the eye candy of the page, so it's important that
> this works smoothly.
>
> thank you for any help.
>
> Louise
>
>
>

You could do that by creating e.g. an animated gif of the lot, or I
think there are a few free and commercial slide show scripts available
at e.g. [url]www.hotscripts.com[/url] that even ships with faders.

However, unless your images are small like stamps and simple, I'm pretty
sure you'll end up with quite some weight. Bear in mind the target size
of a page, including images, is 40-50Kb.

So, if you persist, consider Flash, or even to ditch the idea. Eye candy
is nice, but animations takes over the users attention from the content.

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[Louise]

Murray, thank you

The weight is exactly what I'm worried about. It's already heavy with
scripts, even with them being sent to a js file. The Kaosweaver advanced
random image would work with a timed delay, but the example it shows is 35kb
on that page. Add centered drop downs, (not pvii sadly) images, etc.... the
added weight is prohibitive.

I'm not familiar with flash so I'm trying not to go there. But do you think
a simple flash file, such as this one, [url]http://www.innovations.harvard.edu[/url]
would work instead of a javascript method?

Louise


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> Louise:
>
> Kaosweaver and PVII have extensions that will do this. You should be
> concerned about adding weight if your images are heavy.
>
> And the fading is not going to be cross-browser, and will add javascript

to

> the page. I'd elect not to do this.
>
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> "Louise" <LouiseKennedyNOSPAM@NOSPAMcomcast.net> wrote in message
> news:beh082$2an$1@forums.macromedia.com...

> > I'd like to have a sequence of different photographs swapped out say at

5

> > second intervals, maybe fading in and out, but not with a mouse over
> > command, I just want it to happen on its own. But I don't want to do it

> with

> > flash. Is there a way to do this? Could I do this in javascript? I'm

also

> > worried about adding weight to the page.
> >
> > The photographs would be the eye candy of the page, so it's important

that

> > this works smoothly.
> >
> > thank you for any help.
> >
> > Louise
> >
> >

>
>

[Louise]

Dan,

I agree with you. My page is already 33kb without the added image
manipulation (with images, drop down scripts etc). I don't want this new
animated method, but the client asked and i promised to find out more. The
images are 702 pixels wide and about 130 height. I don't want to lose too
much crispness in the images just to get them changing out. Luckily it would
only be on the index page and not throughout the site.

Would flash add a great deal?

Louise

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> Louise wrote:
>

> > I'd like to have a sequence of different photographs swapped out say at

5

> > second intervals, maybe fading in and out, but not with a mouse over
> > command, I just want it to happen on its own. But I don't want to do it

with

> > flash. Is there a way to do this? Could I do this in javascript? I'm

also

> > worried about adding weight to the page.
> >
> > The photographs would be the eye candy of the page, so it's important

that

> > this works smoothly.
> >
> > thank you for any help.
> >
> > Louise
> >
> >
> >

>
> You could do that by creating e.g. an animated gif of the lot, or I
> think there are a few free and commercial slide show scripts available
> at e.g. [url]www.hotscripts.com[/url] that even ships with faders.
>
> However, unless your images are small like stamps and simple, I'm pretty
> sure you'll end up with quite some weight. Bear in mind the target size
> of a page, including images, is 40-50Kb.
>
> So, if you persist, consider Flash, or even to ditch the idea. Eye candy
> is nice, but animations takes over the users attention from the content.
>
> --
> Dan Vendel - *GOF*
> [url]http://www.vendel.info[/url]
> Contact me directly by clicking here:
> [url]http://contact.vendel.info[/url]
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> [url]http://www.vendel.info/tabletut/[/url]
>

[Murray *TMM*]

Louise:

> (not pvii sadly)

Why?

> But do you think
> a simple flash file, such as this one,

That one is 88K.

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"Louise" <LouiseKennedyNOSPAM@NOSPAMcomcast.net> wrote in message
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> Murray, thank you
>

[Louise]

Murray, I paesslered it and only got 32.7 kb total image and html. How did
you read the 88k

L


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> Louise:
>

> > (not pvii sadly)

>
> Why?
>

> > But do you think
> > a simple flash file, such as this one,

>
> That one is 88K.
>
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> "Louise" <LouiseKennedyNOSPAM@NOSPAMcomcast.net> wrote in message
> news:beh3og$8lb$1@forums.macromedia.com...

> > Murray, thank you
> >

>
>

[Murray *TMM*]

Louise:

The Paessler weight does not include the Flash file which you must locate in
the browser's cache to measure.

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"Louise" <LouiseKennedyNOSPAM@NOSPAMcomcast.net> wrote in message
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> Murray, I paesslered it and only got 32.7 kb total image and html. How did
> you read the 88k
>
> L
>
>
> "Murray *TMM*" <forums@HAHAgreat-web-sights.com> wrote in message
> news:beh4ce$9rs$1@forums.macromedia.com...

> > Louise:
> >

> > > (not pvii sadly)

> >
> > Why?
> >

> > > But do you think
> > > a simple flash file, such as this one,

> >
> > That one is 88K.
> >
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> > "Louise" <LouiseKennedyNOSPAM@NOSPAMcomcast.net> wrote in message
> > news:beh3og$8lb$1@forums.macromedia.com...

> > > Murray, thank you
> > >

> >
> >

>
>

[darrel]

> I'm not familiar with flash so I'm trying not to go there.

Use the right tool for the problem. In this case, Flash would most likely be
the lowest-weight, most cross-browser compliant way to do it. It's also
incredibly easy to do in flash.

-Darrel

[Louise]

do you know of a good tutorial for this. I don't want to dive into flash
this week.....

L
"darrel" <darrel.austin@courts.state.mn.us> wrote in message
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> > I'm not familiar with flash so I'm trying not to go there.

>
> Use the right tool for the problem. In this case, Flash would most likely

be

> the lowest-weight, most cross-browser compliant way to do it. It's also
> incredibly easy to do in flash.
>
> -Darrel
>
>

[darrel]

> But being concerned with page weight already, and having a page that is

> topping 35-40K before adding Flash, won't the tweened approach push her

well

> over the acceptible target? As I recall, any tweening begins to escalate
> Flash file sizes rapidly, no?

No. Tweening is just mathematical manipulation of the images, so it
certainly wouldn't be as weighty as a GIF animation, which has to render
each and every frame of the fade.

It'll most likely weigh about the same as the individual images.

-Darrel

[Murray *TMM*]

darrel:

I was thinking of it in terms of frames, hence my erroneous conclusing.
Thanks for a clarification.

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"darrel" <darrel.austin@courts.state.mn.us> wrote in message
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> > But being concerned with page weight already, and having a page that is
> > topping 35-40K before adding Flash, won't the tweened approach push her

> well

> > over the acceptible target? As I recall, any tweening begins to

escalate

> > Flash file sizes rapidly, no?

>
> No. Tweening is just mathematical manipulation of the images, so it
> certainly wouldn't be as weighty as a GIF animation, which has to render
> each and every frame of the fade.
>
> It'll most likely weigh about the same as the individual images.
>
> -Darrel
>
>
>
>
>
>

[darrel]

> I was thinking of it in terms of frames, hence my erroneous conclusing.
> Thanks for a clarification.

It is a bit confusing at first. Flash *is* a frame-based animation tool at
its foundation. However, the big advantage (in terms of animation) is that
you can tween. Tweening takes frame 1 and let's say frame 50 and looks at
the differences. It then will animate the frames in between on-the-fly, so
the only thing you actually need to download is frame 1 and frame 50, and
your computer (namely the Flash Player PlugIn) will create the other 48
frames for you. In addition, you can use symbols and actionscript to add
more motion/interactivity/objects without actually increasing download size.

However, if you are making a true framed-based animation...what you'd
typically see in traditional animation, then, yes, you'd have to download
each frame.

-Darrel

[Louise]

listening in this is all very helpful. I'll spend the day in flash
tutorials.

L
"darrel" <darrel.austin@courts.state.mn.us> wrote in message
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>

> > I was thinking of it in terms of frames, hence my erroneous conclusing.
> > Thanks for a clarification.

>
> It is a bit confusing at first. Flash *is* a frame-based animation tool at
> its foundation. However, the big advantage (in terms of animation) is that
> you can tween. Tweening takes frame 1 and let's say frame 50 and looks at
> the differences. It then will animate the frames in between on-the-fly, so
> the only thing you actually need to download is frame 1 and frame 50, and
> your computer (namely the Flash Player PlugIn) will create the other 48
> frames for you. In addition, you can use symbols and actionscript to add
> more motion/interactivity/objects without actually increasing download

size.

>
> However, if you are making a true framed-based animation...what you'd
> typically see in traditional animation, then, yes, you'd have to download
> each frame.
>
> -Darrel
>
>

[Dan Vendel *GOF*]

Louise wrote:

> Dan,
>
> I agree with you. My page is already 33kb without the added image
> manipulation (with images, drop down scripts etc). I don't want this new
> animated method, but the client asked and i promised to find out more. The
> images are 702 pixels wide and about 130 height. I don't want to lose too
> much crispness in the images just to get them changing out. Luckily it would
> only be on the index page and not throughout the site.
>
> Would flash add a great deal?

Since we don't know how many images, what they look like (the more
complex, the "worse"), etc, it's impossible to say how heavy various
solutions would be. But my guess is that even a flash with such
dimensions will easily exceed a couple of hundred Kb.

You'll need to educate your client. Give him a demonstration of bad,
heavy flash implementaion by giving him a tour at e.g. the Dreamweaver
Exchange at the Macromedia site.

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[Louise]

;)


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> Louise wrote:
>

> > Dan,
> >
> > I agree with you. My page is already 33kb without the added image
> > manipulation (with images, drop down scripts etc). I don't want this new
> > animated method, but the client asked and i promised to find out more.

The

> > images are 702 pixels wide and about 130 height. I don't want to lose

too

> > much crispness in the images just to get them changing out. Luckily it

would

> > only be on the index page and not throughout the site.
> >
> > Would flash add a great deal?

>
> Since we don't know how many images, what they look like (the more
> complex, the "worse"), etc, it's impossible to say how heavy various
> solutions would be. But my guess is that even a flash with such
> dimensions will easily exceed a couple of hundred Kb.
>
> You'll need to educate your client. Give him a demonstration of bad,
> heavy flash implementaion by giving him a tour at e.g. the Dreamweaver
> Exchange at the Macromedia site.
>
> --
> Dan Vendel - *GOF*
> [url]http://www.vendel.info[/url]
> Contact me directly by clicking here:
> [url]http://contact.vendel.info[/url]
> Formmail tutorial:
> [url]http://www.vendel.info/tut/formmail.html[/url]
> Nested table demonstration:
> [url]http://www.vendel.info/tabletut/[/url]
>

[Flashjunky webforumsuser@macromedia.com]

I don't understand why you're all worrying about the size of a flash movie...

Surely that's what a preloader is for?

Load page, load flash, flash says loading whilst loading... where's the issue????

Also, if you use actionscript to modify the _alpha you can fade in and out on 1 frame :p


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