Back-up to DVD? (but not Retrospect)

[Mayor of R'lyeh]

On Sat, 19 Jul 2003 00:03:18 GMT, [email]twixter3030nospam@hotmail.com[/email] (Sara
Garland) chose to bless us with the following wisdom:

>Hi there, I am looking for a recommendation for a back-up util that will
>let me perform back-ups across multiple Superdrive disks, around 35GB
>right now. Without getting into specifics I do not like Retrospect so I
>am looking for a solid app with a good UI, costing up to US $75. Thanks.

Damn! I had a great app in mind that would be perfect for you but it
costs $75.50. 8)




--

"Whoever is advising them [Democrats] on gun control
should be shot."

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Stop Gun Violence.

[foo]

On Sat, 19 Jul 2003 00:03:18 GMT, [email]twixter3030nospam@hotmail.com[/email] (Sara
Garland) wrote:

>Hi there, I am looking for a recommendation for a back-up util that will
>let me perform back-ups across multiple Superdrive disks, around 35GB
>right now. Without getting into specifics I do not like Retrospect so I
>am looking for a solid app with a good UI, costing up to US $75. Thanks.

A 160GB FW HDD won't do it? 160G is $99 these days, and a FW unit
might run $50....... easy, fast, simple....

[foo]

On Sat, 19 Jul 2003 01:05:45 GMT, [email]twixter3030nospam@hotmail.com[/email] (Sara
Garland) wrote:

>foo <foo@bar.com> wrote:
>

>> >Hi there, I am looking for a recommendation for a back-up util that will
>> >let me perform back-ups across multiple Superdrive disks, around 35GB
>> >right now. Without getting into specifics I do not like Retrospect so I
>> >am looking for a solid app with a good UI, costing up to US $75. Thanks.

>>
>> A 160GB FW HDD won't do it? 160G is $99 these days, and a FW unit
>> might run $50....... easy, fast, simple....

>
>Hi there, I am looking for a recommendation for a BACK-UP UTIL that will
>let me perform back-ups across multiple Superdrive disks.

CRON and that 160GB drive could do what you want.

[Alan Baker]

In article <1fybfku.17i5pl0hpwejuN%twixter3030nospam@hotmail. com>,
[email]twixter3030nospam@hotmail.com[/email] (Sara Garland) wrote:

> Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:
>

> > > Hi there, I am looking for a recommendation for a back-up util that will
> > > let me perform back-ups across multiple Superdrive disks, around 35GB
> > > right now. Without getting into specifics I do not like Retrospect so I
> > > am looking for a solid app with a good UI, costing up to US $75. Thanks.

> >
> > If you don't my my asking:

>
> Actually, I'd rather get some recommendations first. So far, besides
> your question my only replies have been a joke and someone who decided
> that I don't need software. <sigh>

OK. But perhaps your objections to Retrospect are based on
misconceptions. I've used it very successfully and really like it.

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling 4 feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect
if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard."

[claudel]

In article <1fybfku.17i5pl0hpwejuN%twixter3030nospam@hotmail. com>,
Sara Garland <twixter3030nospam@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:
>

>> > Hi there, I am looking for a recommendation for a back-up util that will
>> > let me perform back-ups across multiple Superdrive disks, around 35GB
>> > right now. Without getting into specifics I do not like Retrospect so I
>> > am looking for a solid app with a good UI, costing up to US $75. Thanks.

>>
>> If you don't my my asking:

>
>Actually, I'd rather get some recommendations first. So far, besides
>your question my only replies have been a joke and someone who decided
>that I don't need software. <sigh>

Hello

I have the same need for backup software,
so if anyone is listening, count this as
a "Me Too" :&).

Specifically,though, I am unhappy that I spent
good money on a bundle of useless software:
Norton AV & other stuff including Retrospect,
which _saw_ the Superdrive in my PB, but
didn't recognize it as writable.
I deinstalled all of it, eventually and am
disappointed that I couldnt get a refund.

Till I find suitable BU software I've been
cloning to an external with Carbon Copy Cloner.

That sorta eases the empty feeling of no backup...

Claude

[foo]

On Sat, 19 Jul 2003 03:28:10 GMT, [email]twixter3030nospam@hotmail.com[/email] (Sara
Garland) wrote:

>foo <foo@bar.com> wrote:
>

>> >> >Hi there, I am looking for a recommendation for a back-up util that will
>> >> >let me perform back-ups across multiple Superdrive disks, around 35GB
>> >> >right now. Without getting into specifics I do not like Retrospect so I
>> >> >am looking for a solid app with a good UI, costing up to US $75. Thanks.
>> >>
>> >> A 160GB FW HDD won't do it? 160G is $99 these days, and a FW unit
>> >> might run $50....... easy, fast, simple....
>> >
>> >Hi there, I am looking for a recommendation for a BACK-UP UTIL that will
>> >let me perform back-ups across multiple Superdrive disks.

>>
>> CRON and that 160GB drive could do what you want.

>
>As much as you may think that you're helping, you aren't. (Unless you
>intended to simply troll, in which case you've done a moderately
>successful job and will probably be killfiled soon.)

Rather than a smarmy reply, how about telling us why a hard drive
backup (which is massively faster and easier - not to mention won't
require flipping DVDs) won't work.

[Alan Baker]

In article <bfaeps$qbd$1@bolt.sonic.net>,
[email]claudel@bolt.sonic.net[/email] (claudel) wrote:

> In article <1fybfku.17i5pl0hpwejuN%twixter3030nospam@hotmail. com>,
> Sara Garland <twixter3030nospam@hotmail.com> wrote:

> >Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:
> >

> >> > Hi there, I am looking for a recommendation for a back-up util that will
> >> > let me perform back-ups across multiple Superdrive disks, around 35GB
> >> > right now. Without getting into specifics I do not like Retrospect so I
> >> > am looking for a solid app with a good UI, costing up to US $75. Thanks.
> >>
> >> If you don't my my asking:

> >
> >Actually, I'd rather get some recommendations first. So far, besides
> >your question my only replies have been a joke and someone who decided
> >that I don't need software. <sigh>

>
> Hello
>
> I have the same need for backup software,
> so if anyone is listening, count this as
> a "Me Too" :&).
>
> Specifically,though, I am unhappy that I spent
> good money on a bundle of useless software:
> Norton AV & other stuff including Retrospect,
> which _saw_ the Superdrive in my PB, but
> didn't recognize it as writable.
> I deinstalled all of it, eventually and am
> disappointed that I couldnt get a refund.

What version of Retrospect and which drive?

Because:

[url]http://www.dantz.com/index.php3?SCREEN=compatibility_list_detail&id=858 6[/url]

and

[url]http://www.dantz.com/index.php3?SCREEN=compatibility_list_detail&id=816 5[/url]

and

[url]http://www.dantz.com/index.php3?SCREEN=compatibility_list_detail&id=858 7[/url]

and

[url]http://www.dantz.com/index.php3?SCREEN=compatibility_list_detail&id=894 8[/url]

>
> Till I find suitable BU software I've been
> cloning to an external with Carbon Copy Cloner.
>
> That sorta eases the empty feeling of no backup...
>
> Claude
>
>

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling 4 feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect
if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard."

[Alan Baker]

In article <pkghhvgi4arb42f1rj6d8d77pba69mohb2@4ax.com>,
foo <foo@bar.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 19 Jul 2003 03:28:10 GMT, [email]twixter3030nospam@hotmail.com[/email] (Sara
> Garland) wrote:
>

> >foo <foo@bar.com> wrote:
> >

> >> >> >Hi there, I am looking for a recommendation for a back-up util that
> >> >> >will
> >> >> >let me perform back-ups across multiple Superdrive disks, around 35GB
> >> >> >right now. Without getting into specifics I do not like Retrospect so
> >> >> >I
> >> >> >am looking for a solid app with a good UI, costing up to US $75.
> >> >> >Thanks.
> >> >>
> >> >> A 160GB FW HDD won't do it? 160G is $99 these days, and a FW unit
> >> >> might run $50....... easy, fast, simple....
> >> >
> >> >Hi there, I am looking for a recommendation for a BACK-UP UTIL that will
> >> >let me perform back-ups across multiple Superdrive disks.
> >>
> >> CRON and that 160GB drive could do what you want.

> >
> >As much as you may think that you're helping, you aren't. (Unless you
> >intended to simply troll, in which case you've done a moderately
> >successful job and will probably be killfiled soon.)

>
> Rather than a smarmy reply, how about telling us why a hard drive
> backup (which is massively faster and easier - not to mention won't
> require flipping DVDs) won't work.

How do you both have the hard drive available to do that back *and* keep
the backup offsite?

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling 4 feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect
if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard."

[foo]

On Sat, 19 Jul 2003 04:04:53 GMT, Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>
wrote:

>In article <pkghhvgi4arb42f1rj6d8d77pba69mohb2@4ax.com>,
> foo <foo@bar.com> wrote:
>

>> On Sat, 19 Jul 2003 03:28:10 GMT, [email]twixter3030nospam@hotmail.com[/email] (Sara
>> Garland) wrote:
>>

>> >foo <foo@bar.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> >> >Hi there, I am looking for a recommendation for a back-up util that
>> >> >> >will
>> >> >> >let me perform back-ups across multiple Superdrive disks, around 35GB
>> >> >> >right now. Without getting into specifics I do not like Retrospect so
>> >> >> >I
>> >> >> >am looking for a solid app with a good UI, costing up to US $75.
>> >> >> >Thanks.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> A 160GB FW HDD won't do it? 160G is $99 these days, and a FW unit
>> >> >> might run $50....... easy, fast, simple....
>> >> >
>> >> >Hi there, I am looking for a recommendation for a BACK-UP UTIL that will
>> >> >let me perform back-ups across multiple Superdrive disks.
>> >>
>> >> CRON and that 160GB drive could do what you want.
>> >
>> >As much as you may think that you're helping, you aren't. (Unless you
>> >intended to simply troll, in which case you've done a moderately
>> >successful job and will probably be killfiled soon.)

>>
>> Rather than a smarmy reply, how about telling us why a hard drive
>> backup (which is massively faster and easier - not to mention won't
>> require flipping DVDs) won't work.

>
>How do you both have the hard drive available to do that back *and* keep
>the backup offsite?

Buy two. :)

[Andy Walton]

In article <1fyb67e.1ltbikiu37zicN%twixter3030nospam@hotmail. com>, Sara
Garland <twixter3030nospam@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Hi there, I am looking for a recommendation for a back-up util that will
> let me perform back-ups across multiple Superdrive disks, around 35GB
> right now. Without getting into specifics I do not like Retrospect so I
> am looking for a solid app with a good UI, costing up to US $75. Thanks.

I've been happy with the .Mac backup utility. But so far I've only done
a full backup, so I don't know how well it handles incremental backups.
If you're willing to spend $75 for backup software alone, and the other
..Mac features would be useful to you, it's worth a look.

--
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a DAs' drug conference had a definite warped appeal. But not on the
*first day,* I thought. Save that for later.
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[jemmy ducks]

In article <alangbaker-E8817C.21045618072003@news.telus.net>, Alan
Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:

> How do you both have the hard drive available to do that back *and* keep
> the backup offsite?

When did the OP say she wanted to store the backups off-site?

[Alan Baker]

In article <180720032248031118%jd@invalid.invalid>,
jemmy ducks <jd@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> In article <alangbaker-E8817C.21045618072003@news.telus.net>, Alan
> Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:
>

> > How do you both have the hard drive available to do that back *and* keep
> > the backup offsite?

>
> When did the OP say she wanted to store the backups off-site?

Anyone who does backups should store them offsite. Period.

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling 4 feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect
if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard."

[Alan Baker]

In article <180720032248021061%jd@invalid.invalid>,
jemmy ducks <jd@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> In article <1fybfqh.1l7i4xc873amrN%twixter3030nospam@hotmail. com>, Sara
> Garland <twixter3030nospam@hotmail.com> wrote:
>

> > As much as you may think that you're helping, you aren't. (Unless you
> > intended to simply troll, in which case you've done a moderately
> > successful job and will probably be killfiled soon.)

>
> He's not trolling. He's giving you good advice. Backing up to DVD will
> be painfully slow. Get yourself an external firewire drive and you will
> be ever so much happier.

That would depend upon how much data actually *needs* backing up,
wouldn't you say?

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling 4 feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect
if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard."

[jemmy ducks]

In article <alangbaker-7DC7AB.22564018072003@news.telus.net>, Alan
Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:

> Anyone who does backups should store them offsite. Period.

Want to take a bet on whether she intends to store the disks off-site?

[Alan Baker]

In article <180720032324382816%jd@invalid.invalid>,
jemmy ducks <jd@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> In article <alangbaker-7DC7AB.22564018072003@news.telus.net>, Alan
> Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:
>

> > Anyone who does backups should store them offsite. Period.

>
> Want to take a bet on whether she intends to store the disks off-site?

No. But the comment to which I replied asked why a hard drive backup
might not work, so it really doesn't matter.

And anyone who does backups (and almost everyone should do backups)
should store them offsite.

Period.

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling 4 feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect
if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard."

[Alan Baker]

In article <180720032328367047%jd@invalid.invalid>,
jemmy ducks <jd@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> In article <alangbaker-B85902.22571718072003@news.telus.net>, Alan
> Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:
>

> > That would depend upon how much data actually *needs* backing up,
> > wouldn't you say?

>
> 35 GB. Pay attention.

So the initial backkup takes a little while...

But how much does the data *change* week to week?

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling 4 feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect
if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard."

[claudel]

In article <alangbaker-22CD0D.21001418072003@news.telus.net>,
Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:

>In article <bfaeps$qbd$1@bolt.sonic.net>,
> [email]claudel@bolt.sonic.net[/email] (claudel) wrote:
>

>> In article <1fybfku.17i5pl0hpwejuN%twixter3030nospam@hotmail. com>,
>> Sara Garland <twixter3030nospam@hotmail.com> wrote:

>> >Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> > Hi there, I am looking for a recommendation for a back-up util that will
>> >> > let me perform back-ups across multiple Superdrive disks, around 35GB
>> >> > right now. Without getting into specifics I do not like Retrospect so I
>> >> > am looking for a solid app with a good UI, costing up to US $75. Thanks.
>> >>
>> >> If you don't my my asking:
>> >
>> >Actually, I'd rather get some recommendations first. So far, besides
>> >your question my only replies have been a joke and someone who decided
>> >that I don't need software. <sigh>

>>
>> Hello
>>
>> I have the same need for backup software,
>> so if anyone is listening, count this as
>> a "Me Too" :&).
>>
>> Specifically,though, I am unhappy that I spent
>> good money on a bundle of useless software:
>> Norton AV & other stuff including Retrospect,
>> which _saw_ the Superdrive in my PB, but
>> didn't recognize it as writable.
>> I deinstalled all of it, eventually and am
>> disappointed that I couldnt get a refund.

>
>What version of Retrospect and which drive?
>
>Because:
>
>[url]http://www.dantz.com/index.php3?SCREEN=compatibility_list_detail&id=858 6[/url]
>
>and
>
>[url]http://www.dantz.com/index.php3?SCREEN=compatibility_list_detail&id=816 5[/url]
>
>and
>
>[url]http://www.dantz.com/index.php3?SCREEN=compatibility_list_detail&id=858 7[/url]
>
>and
>
>[url]http://www.dantz.com/index.php3?SCREEN=compatibility_list_detail&id=894 8[/url]
>

Matshita DVD-R UJ-815, according to Toast.

Don't know exactly which Retrospect.

I uninstalled it, and the disc is packed away.

Not much more than 6 months old...

I haven't really paid attention to upgrades/drivers since I canned it.

As far as a backup program...

I want something that isn't sensitive to different drive models
and I would like the filesystem on the DVDs to allow easy browsing
and quick file retrieval, preferably an uncompressed native Mac OS X
format. First ( or last ) disc of the set should be bootable and
have the capability to support a full or partial system restore.

A spiffy GUI and a simple database of the backups in a non-proprietary
format would be a nice bonus.

I realize that I _could_ make an image, chop it up, save the pieces, etc.
but I don't think that a good backup system should be that complicated.

I just want to fire off the backup, have it ask for new media when it
needs it, let me know when it is done, and keep a easily accessible
record of what it puts where. Capability to do incrementals after a
complete backup would save on blanks. Oh yeah, I have to have 99.99999%
certainty that if I ever need a file off a backup set it'll be there
and not be corrupted or encrypted with a missing key or anything silly
like that. :^)




Claude

[jemmy ducks]

In article <alangbaker-480903.23290218072003@news.telus.net>, Alan
Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:

> No. But the comment to which I replied asked why a hard drive backup
> might not work, so it really doesn't matter.
>
> And anyone who does backups (and almost everyone should do backups)
> should store them offsite.
>
> Period.

I agree that there are some things that really ought to be stored
off-site (source files, for example). However, most people do not store
their backups off-site. I, for example, only store a few megs of
essential files on my iDisk, and everything else goes to an external HD
(via Retrospect, by the way). Were it not for the iDisk, I would
certainly store those few files on a CD at work. But most files are not
all that critical. If the OP loses her whole mp3 collection in a fire,
then the insurance money will allow her to replace (even enhance) her
whole collection at the iTunes store.

If our OP really wants a convenient and fast backup strategy, an
external HD (or two if you want to be really super secure and store all
your .mp3s and home movies in a Nevada salt mine) is the only way to
go.

By the way, ending everything you say with an emphatic "Period." is not
the strongest of rhetorical devices (although it sometimes works with
small children if you're their parent and combine "Period" with a
significant look in the eye).

[no]

In article <alangbaker-7DC7AB.22564018072003@news.telus.net>,
Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:

> In article <180720032248031118%jd@invalid.invalid>,
> jemmy ducks <jd@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>

> > In article <alangbaker-E8817C.21045618072003@news.telus.net>, Alan
> > Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:
> >

> > > How do you both have the hard drive available to do that back *and* keep
> > > the backup offsite?

> >
> > When did the OP say she wanted to store the backups off-site?

>
> Anyone who does backups should store them offsite. Period.

And chances are Aunt Barb and Uncle Bill arent going to store it
offsite. Remember the mac is for the consumer

[Alan Baker]

In article <no-2DFFB7.01410519072003@newssvr14-ext.news.prodigy.com>,
no <no@no.com> wrote:

> In article <alangbaker-7DC7AB.22564018072003@news.telus.net>,
> Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:
>

> > In article <180720032248031118%jd@invalid.invalid>,
> > jemmy ducks <jd@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >

> > > In article <alangbaker-E8817C.21045618072003@news.telus.net>, Alan
> > > Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > > How do you both have the hard drive available to do that back *and*
> > > > keep
> > > > the backup offsite?
> > >
> > > When did the OP say she wanted to store the backups off-site?

> >
> > Anyone who does backups should store them offsite. Period.

>
> And chances are Aunt Barb and Uncle Bill arent going to store it
> offsite. Remember the mac is for the consumer

Then that's their mistake. But a common mistake doesn't make for
sensible practice.

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling 4 feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect
if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard."