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Hi I have reasonable experience with access. I am just about to start a web based database project for my computer course. I have very very limited experience of frontpage, VB & VB script, I have no experience of ASP or dreamweaver. I have office xp pro and am in the process of buying and installing win xp pro. Is there anything else I need? Idealy I would like to download a simple working access / asp database to 'play' with and find a tutorial which takes me from a simple access db using it on the web. - any ...

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    Default Beginner asp tutorial required + dreamweaver or FP

    Hi

    I have reasonable experience with access. I am just about to start a
    web based database project for my computer course.

    I have very very limited experience of frontpage, VB & VB script, I
    have no experience of ASP or dreamweaver.

    I have office xp pro and am in the process of buying and installing
    win xp pro. Is there anything else I need?

    Idealy I would like to download a simple working access / asp database
    to 'play' with and find a tutorial which takes me from a simple access
    db using it on the web. - any guidance for either of these would be
    appreciated.

    After my course project I would like to develop more web based
    databases. Should I make the effort to use and learn Dreamweaver now
    or should I use MS FP for the projest and learn DW later?

    Thanks Colin
    Colin Guest

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    Default RE: Beginner asp tutorial required + dreamweaver or FP

    personally, i would stay well clear of frontpage or dreamweaver. especially
    while your learning. they both write very messy ineficient code, and are not
    gonna do you ANY favours.

    as for tutorials, although the web is a great source for such things, i
    still believe a good book to get the groundwork done is the way to go. i
    would recomend 'beginning ASP 3.0" by wrox press, or better still, if your
    just startting, you should really look into learning .NET

    "Colin Kingston" wrote:
     
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    Hi

    Thanks for the response.

    What should I use instead of DW or FP. I am not experienced in HTML and
    would prefer not to have to build web pages fully in HTML.

    You suggest learning asp.net instead of asp v3. Elsewhere I read that
    .net is generally bersome - could that be true and will it cause
    extra expense eg will I need to purchase vb.net when doing vb?

    Thanks Colin


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    For my part, I am happy using dreamweaver,web matrix or visual studio.

    It is particularly important to build good programming practices when you
    start out.
    Eg, code indentation, coding conventions and commentting ect

    WYSIWYG won't give you those skills, so don't get to reliant on this aspect
    of the above products.

    XP Pro = good idea, you will get IIS which you will need to do server side
    scripting.

    Access Database: Not the best idea.
    If you are serious about Web based database development, I wouldn't really
    bother with Access.
    Download SQL Server Developer Edition and begin their, it is a considerable
    step up. but if your going to spend
    the time learning something it might as well be that.

    You will definately need to do some reading, and be married to these forums.

    Also unless you are required to learn classic ASP, it may be worthwhile
    considering ASP.Net.

    If you haven't done this stuff before, asp + access is fine for hobby
    projects at home to get you acqainted.
    The above instructions will mostlikely cause a bit of grief if you pursue
    them, when you begin. It is all definately up hill
    at the start. As always over time it gets a lot easier.

    AJ


    Anthony Guest

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    Default Re: Beginner asp tutorial required + dreamweaver or FP

    Sometimes the old-timers forget what it's like to be a beginner. Dreamweaver
    will write way-more-than-adequate code, and would be wonderful for you to
    learn with.


    Ted Guest

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    Just read the previous post!

    To do ASP.NET just go to www.asp.net and dowload the .NET Framework , Web
    Matrix & the SDK.
    Like i said this isn't the easiest of courses!!!


    Anthony Guest

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    >>Dreamweaver will write way-more-than-adequate code

    Exactly.

    And, that's the problem with DW and other automagical code machines. The
    do-everything, god code that they write is useless for learning anything.

    Bob Lehmann


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    "Colin Kingston" <co.uk> wrote in message
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    In my opinion, you should start out using neither, but code your HTML by
    hand. MS FP is just plain awful (though I have not used it in several
    versions). Dreamweaver is a nice layout tool. But its client-side code is
    awful to maintain. Both sheild you from understanding the code you are
    working with IMO. I sometimes use Dreamweaver to work on layout with tables
    and whatnot, but I never ever ever use its automatically generated
    client-side script.

    If it were me, I would use Interdev or even Visual Studio.NET can be used to
    write ASP classic. Or notepad works great too. I would bet others know of
    decent cheap or free editors...
     


    Stephanie Guest

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    On 25 Oct 2004 06:29:18 -0700, co.uk (Colin Kingston)
    wrote:
     

    Not to start.
     

    Try aspin.com for tutorial databases, or do a Google on "ASP Database
    Tutorial" and you'll find plenty.
     

    DreamWeaver will be mor ein demand, but is less easy to use for ASP
    coding than a coding environment. FP is solid, and good for
    non-developers, but likewise not great for ASP development. Might
    look at ASP development tools (or ASP.NET) such as PrimalScript,
    VisualStudio or simple free text editors.

    Jeff
    Jeff Guest

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    "Jeff Cochran" <com> wrote in message
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    >
    > Not to start.

    >
    > Try aspin.com for tutorial databases, or do a Google on "ASP Database
    > Tutorial" and you'll find plenty.

    >
    > DreamWeaver will be mor ein demand, but is less easy to use for ASP
    > coding than a coding environment. FP is solid, and good for
    > non-developers, but likewise not great for ASP development. Might
    > look at ASP development tools (or ASP.NET) such as PrimalScript,
    > VisualStudio or simple free text editors.
    >[/ref]

    As a self-taught ASP coder (2 years part time - probably intermediate to
    advanced level now) I started with an existing ASP site + Access database,
    and pulled it apart, then rebuilt it. For starting, I'd recommend 1st Page
    2000 from Evrsoft (www.evrsoft.com). It's free and will get you into the
    discipline of typing all your code properly without relying on auto-complete
    features. I also use DreamWeaver. It produces good clean HTML or XHTML.


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    Hi Jeff

    Are the web pages and access database you used available from
    evrsoft.com or did you get it elsewhere?

    If not available on evrsoft.com can you direct me to it, or can you
    email it to me?

    This is really what I am looking for, I find that examining an existing
    solution is a very quick way to learn.

    Thanks Colin


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    turorial here:
    http://giuciao.altervista.org/free_books.html

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