Black and white..?.

[K.chattenton]

Hi to you all.

I am new to this forum and from what I have seen in the short time on here I
must say that you all seem like a quite nice bunch of knowledgeable folk.

Now to my question, I have just acquired an old 'NIKON-EM' and one thing I
would like to do is take some of my photo's on black and white film ( Astro
photo's ).
From what I have seen it seems that the only way you can now get B&W
developed is by sending your film off to a specialist processing house.
Is there any other way ( quicker, cheaper ) of doing this, taking into
account I do not wish to, or indeed have the means to develop my own B&W
photo's...?.

Thank you all, good luck in your pursuits, Ken UK.



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[William D. Tallman]

K.chattenton wrote:

> Hi to you all.
>
> I am new to this forum and from what I have seen in the short time on here
> I must say that you all seem like a quite nice bunch of knowledgeable
> folk.
>
> Now to my question, I have just acquired an old 'NIKON-EM' and one thing I
> would like to do is take some of my photo's on black and white film (
> Astro photo's ).
> From what I have seen it seems that the only way you can now get B&W
> developed is by sending your film off to a specialist processing house.
> Is there any other way ( quicker, cheaper ) of doing this, taking into
> account I do not wish to, or indeed have the means to develop my own B&W
> photo's...?.
>
> Thank you all, good luck in your pursuits, Ken UK.

There is C-41 processable black and white film that's been available for
some time. That means it can be handled by your local color print
processor.

Problem here: what do you mean by Astro photos? Astronomy photography?
Most of those are time exposures and require either special film and/or
special exposure handling (cold packs to deal with reciprocity failure,
etc). Or so I understand. You'd have to discover whether (or how) that
film will would work....

HTH

Bill Tallman

[Joseph Meehan]

In addition to what has been noted, you may check out local photo clubs
and stores to see if any of the local photographers would consider doing
this work for you.

--
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"K.chattenton" <k.chattenton@btopenwold.com> wrote in message
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> Hi to you all.
>
> I am new to this forum and from what I have seen in the short time on here

I

> must say that you all seem like a quite nice bunch of knowledgeable folk.
>
> Now to my question, I have just acquired an old 'NIKON-EM' and one thing I
> would like to do is take some of my photo's on black and white film (

Astro

> photo's ).
> From what I have seen it seems that the only way you can now get B&W
> developed is by sending your film off to a specialist processing house.
> Is there any other way ( quicker, cheaper ) of doing this, taking into
> account I do not wish to, or indeed have the means to develop my own B&W
> photo's...?.
>
> Thank you all, good luck in your pursuits, Ken UK.
>
>
>
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[Don Stauffer]

Probably any large metro area of a million or more population should
have one or two firms that cater to pros and will do color.

Like many who have tried the C-41 'black and white' films, we have been
less than impressed with the results. I'd recommend real B&W film and
accept the harder time getting it developed and printed.

BTW, if by astro photos you mean taken through a telescope, that is a
whole other bag of worms.

"K.chattenton" wrote:

>
> Hi to you all.
>
> I am new to this forum and from what I have seen in the short time on here I
> must say that you all seem like a quite nice bunch of knowledgeable folk.
>
> Now to my question, I have just acquired an old 'NIKON-EM' and one thing I
> would like to do is take some of my photo's on black and white film ( Astro
> photo's ).
> From what I have seen it seems that the only way you can now get B&W
> developed is by sending your film off to a specialist processing house.
> Is there any other way ( quicker, cheaper ) of doing this, taking into
> account I do not wish to, or indeed have the means to develop my own B&W
> photo's...?.
>
> Thank you all, good luck in your pursuits, Ken UK.
>
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[Winfried Buechsenschuetz]

"K.chattenton" <k.chattenton@btopenwold.com> wrote in message news:<betje0$ium$1@titan.btinternet.com>...

> From what I have seen it seems that the only way you can now get B&W
> developed is by sending your film off to a specialist processing house.
> Is there any other way ( quicker, cheaper ) of doing this, taking into
> account I do not wish to, or indeed have the means to develop my own B&W
> photo's...?.

You can give your films to ANY lab, they will do b/w processing, but
you never know what kind of development process they use. If you give
it to a specialist processing house they can at least tell you what
they do with your film - maybe you can even select a certain process
(pushing to higher ASA rating, extreme fine grain development etc.).

If you do this yourself you have total control over the process.
Developing b/w films is as easy as making coffee. You only need a dark
room (not necessarily a darkroom) to spool in the film, and of course
a development tank, the rest is done in daylight, and all you have to
respect is proper developer temperature (+/- 1 deg. C) and proper
development time. Not considering watering the film (which you don't
have to attend), you can process a b/w film in 10 or 15 minutes.

But don't use a film with unrepeatable shots for the first
experiments.

Winfried

[Pete McCutchen]

On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 06:43:12 +0000 (UTC), "K.chattenton"
<k.chattenton@btopenwold.com> wrote:

>From what I have seen it seems that the only way you can now get B&W
>developed is by sending your film off to a specialist processing house.
>Is there any other way ( quicker, cheaper ) of doing this, taking into
>account I do not wish to, or indeed have the means to develop my own B&W
>photo's...?.

Both Ilford and Kodak make black and white film that's developed using
the C-41 (color) process. I shot a couple of rolls of the Ilford
version once, and wasn't particularly impressed. But some people
swear by the stuff.
--

Pete McCutchen

[Peter Chant]

In article <a547ca8.0307140220.2253b12a@posting.google.com> ,
[email]w-buechsenschuetz@web.de[/email] (Winfried Buechsenschuetz) writes:

>
> You can give your films to ANY lab, they will do b/w processing, but
> you never know what kind of development process they use. If you give

Given that different film/developer combinations need different developing
times, do the labs allow for this?

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[Igor]

> There is C-41 processable black and white film that's been available for

> some time. That means it can be handled by your local color print
> processor.
>

I second that. I have been using Kodak Portra B&W 400. It's an
excelent film - great contrast and small grain. Processing will cost
you the same as with any color film, however the films itself is
comparatively not cheap.

[Snorre Selmer]

I can't say anything about B&W prcessing prices in the UK, but here in
Norway they are dreadfully high. That's why I process my self. If you have
access to a local camera-club, ask the members if anyone does this and is
interested in teaching you...

It's actually very easy, and although it can be quite boring if you do a lot
of rolls in a row I think it's very rewarding (you shoot it your self,
process it your self, and print it yourself).

Ilford Delta 100 in ID-11 one-shot for 20 minutes is time consuming, but
gives great results. The process can ofcource be done much faster if you use
a stronger solution and re-use it for several batches.

[William Graham]

Snorre Selmer <snorselm@ihatespam.online.no> wrote in message
news:_iEQa.13138$Hb.226236@news4.e.nsc.no...

> I can't say anything about B&W prcessing prices in the UK, but here in
> Norway they are dreadfully high. That's why I process my self. If you have
> access to a local camera-club, ask the members if anyone does this and is
> interested in teaching you...
>
> It's actually very easy, and although it can be quite boring if you do a

lot

> of rolls in a row I think it's very rewarding (you shoot it your self,
> process it your self, and print it yourself).
>
> Ilford Delta 100 in ID-11 one-shot for 20 minutes is time consuming, but
> gives great results. The process can ofcource be done much faster if you

use

> a stronger solution and re-use it for several batches.
>
>

I recommend just developing the film yourself, as a start, and then bring
the developed film to the lab for processing. You don't need a darkroom for
developing the film. All you need is a changing bag, a can and reels, and
the chemicals. This is pretty cheap, and you can build yourself a darkroom
at some later date to make your own prints.

[William D. Tallman]

K.chattenton wrote:

> Hi to you all.
>
> I am new to this forum and from what I have seen in the short time on here
> I must say that you all seem like a quite nice bunch of knowledgeable
> folk.
>
> Now to my question, I have just acquired an old 'NIKON-EM' and one thing I
> would like to do is take some of my photo's on black and white film (
> Astro photo's ).

<snip>

I'm curious: are you going to attach the Nikon to a telescope? Are you
going to be making the sort of long exposures typical in such photography?
If so, reciprocity failure is going to be a primary consideration. In any
case, there is more involved than has been discussed here. Would you care
to share the specifics with us?

Bill Tallman

[Snorre Selmer]

> I recommend just developing the film yourself, as a start, and then bring

> the developed film to the lab for processing. You don't need a darkroom

for

> developing the film. All you need is a changing bag, a can and reels, and
> the chemicals. This is pretty cheap, and you can build yourself a darkroom
> at some later date to make your own prints.

I agree, you don't need a private darkroom. I have access to a darkroom
through the local camera-club.

[Skip Middleton]

You cane either do it yourself, a fairly simple process, find a local lab
that specializes in b&w, (in San Diego there are a couple, for instance)
use C-41 process b&w film, like Kodak Tmax 400CN or Ilford XP-2, have it
processed at a one hour lab and print it yourself on regular black and white
paper or use Kodak's "Black and White" or PortraBW, both C-41 process b&w
films which are designed to be printed on color paper by inattentive
drugstore minions, as long as you can convince them that it really is ok to
process the film in their chemistry...

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"K.chattenton" <k.chattenton@btopenwold.com> wrote in message
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> Hi to you all.
>
> I am new to this forum and from what I have seen in the short time on here

I

> must say that you all seem like a quite nice bunch of knowledgeable folk.
>
> Now to my question, I have just acquired an old 'NIKON-EM' and one thing I
> would like to do is take some of my photo's on black and white film (

Astro

> photo's ).
> From what I have seen it seems that the only way you can now get B&W
> developed is by sending your film off to a specialist processing house.
> Is there any other way ( quicker, cheaper ) of doing this, taking into
> account I do not wish to, or indeed have the means to develop my own B&W
> photo's...?.
>
> Thank you all, good luck in your pursuits, Ken UK.
>
>
>
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