bleed & die-line

[Borris the Blade.]

Amigos

I designed a little tea sample sachet. It's a carton box that when folded
open (4 flaps) contains the teabag. Process includes creasing and cut with
rounded corners.

Printers asked me to indicate die-line and add a 5mm bleed.

I created an outline (stroked) version of the sachet shape. -For the
die-line

And I enlarged the sachet with 5mm from all sides. -For the bleed

Now must both the die-line outlines and the end bleed size/result be the
same size? or must the die-line's outline dimensions that of the original
one i sent them?

as you can see i am horribly confused.

thanks alot
Borris

[Rich Hudgins]

Boris,

It sounds like a relatively simple construction BUT... You should NOT be
making your own dieline. Someone out there is either making you a
custom die for your project (relatively expensive) or they are using an
already existing die that has a very specific dieline already as a
digital file.

If the former is true and they are going to make you a die based on your
file then you should have them generate the official dieline based on
your dimensions FIRST and then you should do your final layout based on
that.

If the latter is true and you are making your own based on given
dimensions then you could be in a world of hurt when the final piece is
cut. There may be radiused corners that you don't know about or a
locking tab/slit that you don't know the exact location for, etc. etc.

People from the illustrator world tend to put the entire package,
including the bleed on an oversized page, just plopped in the middle.
What I do in FH is to make the page size the exact maximum width and
height of the dieline, center it on the page and then enter the bleed
(.125 inches typically in the US) in the Document Inspector. That way I
have a clear marking of where the bleed needs to extend to.

Call your printer/die maker and talk to them.

Rich

Borris the Blade. wrote:

> Amigos
>
> I designed a little tea sample sachet. It's a carton box that when folded
> open (4 flaps) contains the teabag. Process includes creasing and cut with
> rounded corners.
>
> Printers asked me to indicate die-line and add a 5mm bleed.
>
> I created an outline (stroked) version of the sachet shape. -For the
> die-line
>
> And I enlarged the sachet with 5mm from all sides. -For the bleed
>
> Now must both the die-line outlines and the end bleed size/result be the
> same size? or must the die-line's outline dimensions that of the original
> one i sent them?
>
> as you can see i am horribly confused.
>
> thanks alot
> Borris
>
>

[Alex911]

Amigos

I designed a little tea sample sachet. It's a carton box that when folded
open (4 flaps) contains the teabag. Process includes creasing and cut with
rounded corners.

Printers asked me to indicate die-line and add a 5mm bleed.

I created an outline (stroked) version of the sachet shape. -For the
die-line

And I enlarged the sachet with 5mm from all sides. -For the bleed

Now must both the die-line outlines and the end bleed size/result be the
same size? or must the die-line's outline dimensions that of the original
one i sent them?

as you can see i am horribly confused.

thanks alot
Borris

Actually the bleet depeeds on caliper, after you aware of this you will know how many mms/inchs you need reserve for bleet. If you are really confused about it, I suggest a software called Packmage which is a packaging design software has predefined boxes with dieline etc. With 3D box modeling you can see why the bleed needed for box design.