Browser compatibility for Publisher 2003 Web sites

[David Bartosik - MS MVP]

Pub 2003 web pages are by design supported in Windows IE 5 + only.

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"LindaD" <LindaD@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> I had success using a previous version of Publisher to create Websites for

both Explorer and Netscape from .pub files (see
[url]http://www.diversifiedhomemtg.com/newsletter/kam/2004/april/[/url]). The html was
so nice and clean that it worked in other browsers (and I could find where
to change simple things I needed to in a text editor).

>
> But when I used Publisher 2003 to produce a Web page from a .pub file, the

layout is only visible in Explorer. There is no layout in Netscape, only
text. See [url]http://www.diversifiedhomemtg.com/newsletter/kam/2004/[/url].

>
> I can find nothing in Publisher's Help about how to make the design

cross-browser compatible.

>
> Please HELP! I must use this product for a client who supplies the .pub

files monthly for an online newsletter. I've read some of your comments
about how you've complained about bulky coding, but I haven't seen anything
about how to fix my problem.

>
> Thank you so much,
> Linda DeVore

[analog@logwell.com]

Yet another inexcusable change! How can you possibly defend this? M$ may
actually be violating the trms of various Consent Orders here.


On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 11:35:48 -0500, "David Bartosik - MS MVP"
<forums@davidbartosik.com> wrote:

>Pub 2003 web pages are by design supported in Windows IE 5 + only.

[David Bartosik - MS MVP]

When I asked about this during my last meeting with them they stated it was
due to the simple fact that IE has 96% market share.

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<analog@logwell.com> wrote in message
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> Yet another inexcusable change! How can you possibly defend this? M$ may
> actually be violating the trms of various Consent Orders here.
>
>
> On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 11:35:48 -0500, "David Bartosik - MS MVP"
> <forums@davidbartosik.com> wrote:
>

> >Pub 2003 web pages are by design supported in Windows IE 5 + only.

>

[LindaD]

You might point out that the % argument wouldn't fly if this were a disability issue. Just because a small minority of the population is blind doesn't stop developers from making pages accessible to them. And just because a minority use anothe browser shouldn't make pages as designed inaccessible to them either.

"David Bartosik - MS MVP" wrote:

> When I asked about this during my last meeting with them they stated it was
> due to the simple fact that IE has 96% market share.

[JoAnn Paules]

When you consider that both IE and Publisher are Microsoft products, it
shouldn't be *too* much of a surprise. If anything, we should be surprised
that FrontPage pages can be read by other browsers.

(I'm not saying that's the way it ought to be or that I agree or disagree.
My opinion is merely that - mine.)

--
JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]



"LindaD" <LindaD@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> Thanks for your reply, and I agree with analog. This is inexcusible and
> indefensible.
>
> "David Bartosik - MS MVP" wrote:
>

>> Pub 2003 web pages are by design supported in Windows IE 5 + only.

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[Brian Kvalheim - [MSFT MVP]]

Hi LindaD (LindaD@discussions.microsoft.com),
in the newsgroups
you posted:

|| That % argument wouldn't fly if it were an issue of disabilities,
|| would it? Just because a large part of the population isn't blind
|| doesn't stop developers from finding ways to make pages accessible
|| to them. So because a minority use other browsers shouldn't make it
|| okay to ignore them either.

By default Publisher 2003 requires IE5 for VML features, and IE6 for certain
PNG features. With those options disabled, your site will work in IE3.x and
other competing browsers. Just happens that some features are IE specific,
which other browsers do not offer.
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Microsoft Publisher MVP
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[Brian Kvalheim - [MSFT MVP]]

Hi LindaD (LindaD@discussions.microsoft.com),
in the newsgroups
you posted:

|| Thanks, Brian. I can't find any ref to PNG files in the pages I
|| created using Pub03 (they're all GIF or JPG), and the only lines
|| that ref VML are these: <html
|| xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml"
|| and
|| <style>
|| v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
|| o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
|| b\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
|| .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
|| </style>
||
|| But when I remove them, the page looks the same. Is there any way to
|| fix this at all? The client has to have the newsletter created this
|| way.
|| I still don't see how MS can limit to its own browser (even an
|| advanced version of its own browser at that!) a program that is
|| specifically for creating Web pages. LindaD

Yeah, I am not entirely sure why MS does certain things they do. David is
speaking up loud and clear for the users at our Publisher meetings in
Redmond. I hope they listen to him for the next version.
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Microsoft Publisher MVP
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[Staffan Nilsson]

Thanks for the info. But what is M$ thinking? A tool which creates pages
not compatible with other browsers than IE is worthless. It cannot be
used for anything at all on the internet - it may possibly have some use
on a company intranet where you know that all clients are IE.

An example: You are trying to set up a small and simple web shop. If 5%
of the potential customers cannot read the page you loose them right
away. Worse is that they will spead negative option about your site to
the other 95%, significanty affecting your possibilities to build the
positive reputation that is so important.

This is the kind of behaviour from M$ that makes people resent the
company - and rightly so.

/Staffan

David Bartosik - MS MVP wrote:

> Pub 2003 web pages are by design supported in Windows IE 5 + only.
>
> --
> David Bartosik - MS MVP
> for Publisher help:
> [url]www.davidbartosik.com[/url]
> enter to win Pub 2003:
> [url]www.davidbartosik.com/giveaway.aspx[/url]
>
>
> "LindaD" <LindaD@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:56483C15-E76B-4757-AFAA-C82AA9105FEB@microsoft.com...
>

>>I had success using a previous version of Publisher to create Websites for

>
> both Explorer and Netscape from .pub files (see
> [url]http://www.diversifiedhomemtg.com/newsletter/kam/2004/april/[/url]). The html was
> so nice and clean that it worked in other browsers (and I could find where
> to change simple things I needed to in a text editor).
>

>>But when I used Publisher 2003 to produce a Web page from a .pub file, the

>
> layout is only visible in Explorer. There is no layout in Netscape, only
> text. See [url]http://www.diversifiedhomemtg.com/newsletter/kam/2004/[/url].
>

>>I can find nothing in Publisher's Help about how to make the design

>
> cross-browser compatible.
>

>>Please HELP! I must use this product for a client who supplies the .pub

>
> files monthly for an online newsletter. I've read some of your comments
> about how you've complained about bulky coding, but I haven't seen anything
> about how to fix my problem.
>

>>Thank you so much,
>>Linda DeVore

>
>
>