Can't get white border out of template

[tvspec webforumsuser@macromedia.com]

Can someone help me? I've tried everything I can think of to get the stupid white line out from the left of my menu. Here's the file, and yes, I've checked on all the borders - they are all set to 0. Any more ideas?

[url]http://www.tvspecialists.com/templates/main.dwt[/url]

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tvspec wrote:

> Can someone help me? I've tried everything I can think of to get the stupid white line out from the left of my menu. Here's the file, and yes, I've checked on all the borders - they are all set to 0. Any more ideas?

It's not a border. It's margin on the body. You need to set that to zero.
Incidentally, I can't get your page to display at all in Mozilla 1.4, I
think, because of the backslash at the end of line 18:

.... ts.com" r (n 0 s 0 v 0 l 0))'/>

With a 4.01 doctype, this, again I think, tells Mozilla that you have
closed the head tag at that point. It also seems to tell both the W3C and
the WDG validators the same thing. You might want to try your page without
that backslash.
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[tvspec webforumsuser@macromedia.com]

Where would I find the properties of the margins?

Also, I took out that last slash on line 18 - can you see it now on Mozilla?

[tvspec webforumsuser@macromedia.com]

well, that template is applied to most of the pages on that website right now, already, but still not sure how to get ride of the white border.

[tvspec webforumsuser@macromedia.com]

Alright, well I changed the properties and all the margin's to zero. Still looks like the white line is there.

[trx]

tvspec wrote:

> Still looks like the white line is there.

If you are talking about the thin white line just above your home gif and
the other just to its right, that is neither border nor margin. When you
use DW's layout view you often get overly complex and very fragile table
structure. When you also let Fireworks add additional table structure to
the page along with a cobweb of shim gifs, you often end up with errors
like this. I think what you are looking at are shim gifs (also called
spacer gifs) that Fireworks has put in there to try to piece this thing
together. The problem is that the math of this gets so complicated that
the whole process is often a pixel or two off, and that I think is what you
see here. There are three ways that you can go.

1. You can try to play around with the code and especially with those
spacer gifs. The problem is that this structure is very complex. After
you have changed some of these things it almost crashes DW as it tries to
figure out how to redraw the page, and like as not the change will only
make the page look worse. But you can try experimenting, and you may get
lucky. Again, I think, these spaces are spacer gifs and if you look at
your code you will find a lot of them. I would start with those first if
you want to play with it, but be sure to make a backup copy of your page
and be prepared for a lot of frustration.

2. The second way is to go back to Fireworks and try to export your slices
with different export options. Some of these use spacer gifs and some do
not, and sometimes one export option will succeed when another will not.
This option is probably better (or at least less frustrating) than trying
to play with the code and spacers yourself. Again, back up you page.

3. The best thing to do (in my opinion) is never use DW's layout view and
never let Fireworks create table structure for you. You will end up with a
much sounder page if you learn to create your own table structure in DW's
design view and use Fireworks only to optimize your images. You then
export the images alone from Fireworks and place them yourself in the table
that you have created. I know this sounds like the hard way, but when you
do it yourself, you understand what is going on each step of the way, and
troubleshooting is a lot easier.

I'm sorry that I don't have an easy fix for this one.

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[tvspec webforumsuser@macromedia.com]

How can I make sure fireworks doesn't export the layout tables?

[Alan Ames]

in fireworks- when you are on the very last final export dialog box, click
the large OPTIONS button on the right.

there's a tab to set your table options. You can export without the shim
rows....

> How can I make sure fireworks doesn't export the layout tables?
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[tvspec webforumsuser@macromedia.com]

Thank you!

[tvspec webforumsuser@macromedia.com]

I finally got rid of the borders, and I didn't have to change things in fireworks. I did find a spacer image with the width of 1 pixel for the top border, the other was another issue of table widths.