The eyes under the log... that touch adds so much, for me. Bravo!
Who's lurking in the shadows?
Patty, a couple points and questions: Yes, resaving an edited image as JPEG degrades the image somewhat; how much has been the subject of great debate here for many months. I guess it would be fair to say that the more editing you do, the more the compression associated with JPEG can cause degradation, but it's probably not that simple. The safest bet is to use PSD or TIFF for saving your working images and go to copies in JPEG for e-mail and web purposes. What version of Photoshop do you have? Version 7.0, the latest to be released, has ...
Patty, a couple points and questions:
Yes, resaving an edited image as JPEG degrades the image somewhat; how much
has been the subject of great debate here for many months. I guess it would
be fair to say that the more editing you do, the more the compression
associated with JPEG can cause degradation, but it's probably not that
simple. The safest bet is to use PSD or TIFF for saving your working images
and go to copies in JPEG for e-mail and web purposes.
What version of Photoshop do you have? Version 7.0, the latest to be
released, has the Photomerge (stitching) capability you're seeking; it also
has Save for Web, which makes it easy to generate a small JPEG for forum
use. Not sure what the upgrade cost is for registered users of prior
versions of Photoshop, but it may be in the $150 range - which, in my mind,
would make it a good investment for all its extra capabilities. On the
other hand, if you think that may be 'overbuy' for you (more features than
you would use), the price of Elements is less than $100 and with rebates and
coupons sometimes as low as $30 or thereabouts.
Have fun, whichever way you decide to go!
The eyes under the log... that touch adds so much, for me. Bravo!
Who's lurking in the shadows?
Patty, hi again! You absolutely did not commit a forum 'faux pas' - the
only faux pas on this forum is treating someone in an unfriendly manner,
something not done around here...! The JPEG discussion is one worth
repeating, and we've had new input on it as more folks join the dialogue.
In Photoshop 7, you'll find the Photomerge function buried under
File>Automate along with a bunch of other useful functions. It appears to
be identical or at least very similar to that found in Elements, so anything
you read about Photomerge in one should be applicable to the other.
With respect to the Challenge image, I download it in the largest form Grant
posts it (which is a JPEG), then save it as a TIFF or PSD after I begin to
fiddle with it. That's usually necessary anyway, because I use layers for
most editing and want to preserve those layers between editing sessions;
TIFF and PSD will do that, but JPEG will not. Then when I reach the end of
the trail and I decide it's time to send it to Grant, I go to Save for Web.
To get the size I need to meet the Challenge specs, I go first to the Image
Size box in the lower right and change the longer pixel dimension to 800
(which automatically changes the shorter dimension to 600 or whatever,
depending on the proportions of the original image). Then, at the bottom of
the optimized picture display, there's a number in the left corner that's
the file size in k bytes. I want that to be 100k or thereabouts, so I go to
the upper right corner of the desktop to the box marked 'Quality' and click
on it. That gives me a slider, which I move to the left (usually) until the
file size is 100kb. Then I hit OK, give the file a name and a convenient
folder destination and that's it.
Hope that helps; please come back if I've made it more confusing. I think
it's okay we're discussing a 'big' Photoshop technique here, as it's almost
identical to the steps I take in Elements.
Byron - I doubted if anyone would notice the tiny eyes under the log. You're very observant!
Chuck - Your ranch picture looks like 40-acres-to-the-cow kind of country. I'd sure hate to think that I had to start plowing that 40 acres :)
Thank you for explaining how you work the challenge pictures. Especially the way you "save them for the web". I guess I (am) must have been one of those people who supplies Grant with more work as I wasn't aware of the funtion of saving for the web in relation to the challenge so I always saved an image with a volume of just under 1 MB or whatever I could squeeze out of it. I now understand that meant that Grant had to downsize the image.
I will better my self next time around.
Without getting into a great long discussion as I am off to work once again
here is a short break down.
For web use there are only three formats that can be displayed and they are
GIF, JPG and PNG. While PNG arguably gives the best image it is generally
large and is not available to all browsers. For this reason I do not
support it. GIF only produces 256 colours and for some applications this
is good .... but does support animation and that is where it shines. JPG
allows you to save up to 16 million colours and you can vary the
compression. While at the smallest level it is horrid. At the best level
it is extremely difficult to see any degradation even in an A/B test. With
proper balance it does create excellent images and thus it has become the
back bone for web work. As other have said if you save and resave you
images as JPG you will loose data so only do it at the last step.
Marilyn, it's actually 25 acres of freshly-burned Texas prairie, so you were
pretty close! (I participate in prescribed burns at our local prairie
preserve and had the opportunity to doent this one; the before and after
shots were quite different, as was the one taken about six weeks later which
showed the restoration)
Chris, That folded tattered and pencil marked photo is just excellent.
Really high marks for creativity and excecution. 10.0, 10.0, 10.0,
I think your image is just great. How did you get the plow to look like it does? Is that the result of sharpening or did you do something else? It has a "modern" look I've never seen first hand or in a photo.
Thanks but it's software that does it.Canon's Publishing Suite has a photo editor that gives the folded effect.The image was made this way:
2.Used Jodi's Summertime Fizz Style to lighten it.
3.Saved as JPEG then opened with Canon and used the Old Photo effect (the folds and some tatter, made it a little darker too.)
Opened this as a seperate window in PSE and copied the image as a layer back above #2.
4. Adjusted the transparency down about 15% to lighten it then used Jodi's B&W layer style to get what I got. Added some stray doodles trying for a cracked look but looked more like scratches or pencil marks after I SFW'd.
But still, Thanks.
Images go from Charming to Eerie to downright Scarry. What an assortment!
Bob W...Reserve that cottage for me for September 2nd.
Chuck...The antique topped off the deserted house. I was going to call it a plow or tiller, probably pulled by a man with a mule.
Dave...I like your addition of the Rhino, or is that a Hippo, Hmmmm
Jodi...The morning fog is so real I can smell it.
Juergen...Fascinating Colors! By the way, how in blazes do you pronounce your name.
I've been saying Jurgen (sp?) like the Hand Lotion.
Marilyn...The kids certainly seem to fit that place.
Nancy...Giggle, giggle or should I be saying gurgle gurgle.
Patty...Are those Samoyed pups? So Cute!
Robert J...Absolutely amazing, when I learn to do that I will give myself an A+.
Everyone else's images are super. I just didn't want to hog front stage.
Carl, thanks for your comments. I really didn't do anything special to the
plow, although there are so many layers in the image that I'm not sure what
serendipitous effects might have occurred above the plow layer. I didn't
use any sharpening in the final image, although the plowed (or, more
accurately, burned) ground layer had probably been sharpened when I first
edited that image. With respect to the plow, I cut it out of another
picture, used a mask to improve the selection, and used a hue/saturation
layer to drain all but a little color out of it. Mostly blind, dumb luck
Susan S. - Re your image #2, great job of renovation! Love the flower bed in front, too.
The building looked like something we had seen in Zimbabwe and that is
why I chose to add the Rhino from my Zimbabwe picture collection. Most
of the buildings like this don't have any windows and there was one
similar in Lake Kariba that was used for showering. I had gotten all
lathered up one day and found that the water had been shut off. When I
cleared my eyes, I found the reason why. An elephant had its trunk on
the shower head gulping all the water.
Thanks Chuck - that flower bed usually resides in my front garden! I thought the cottage would make a nice little weekender with a bit of paint and decoration - although I'm afraid I didn't reroof totally - just a cosmetic job with a coat of paint and the really rusty bits patched over with some recycled sheets of iron (if you look carefully you can see the joins!)
Great job this week! That building has such character. All the entries look marvelouuuusss. :-)
I am about to explode and must tell someone. I went to the "Photoshop for Photographers" seminar yesterday and had a BLAST!!! I talked to Dave Cross in the back of the room for about 45 minutes uninterupted. Ben Willmore was up front teaching. Dave is very familiar with the challenge and thinks what you're doing is great Grant (I concur). I was unaware that he actually did something in here early on. Grant, can you enlighten us? I could ramble all day about the seminar, but let me just say this... It was like taking guitar lessons from Stevie Ray Vaughn. Take care. I have some work to do on my entry.
I can imagine your excitement. I was at a similar seminar by Martin Evening some time ago. Very interesting for about 20 minutes and then I got lost.....
So much information in such a relatively short time. During the break I told him this was an overload for me. Wisely he replied he could imagine my problem and told me to enjoy the sunlight for the second part. So I did. And we had some nice talk afterwards at my level. That brought me -and a few others- much more than the whole seminar.
These seminars are wonderful, but usually my attention span is too short. I suppose I'm not the only one.
Surprisingly enough we didn't need to take notes. The information he provided was very cool with alot of pictures, and all the notes are in the workbook. I also suffer from the short attention span and was pleasantly surprised at how I was glued to the presentation. I hope they stop by my area again soon. Without sounding like a plug, it was worth every penny.
I am sorry that the Challenge was not kept up to date but I had to spend a
massive amount of time away from my home virtually living at my work.
I do hope I caught all the email sent to me and updated everyone's lovely
images. If I missed please resend your works of art and I will get them up.
I will extend the length of time the challenge is up so on one gets cheated