Children of WebObjects

[Martin DeMello]

Is there a definitive roundup somewhere of WebObjects-inspired
frameworks? I'm using Tapestry at work, and really liking it, and I want
to check out the Ruby equivalents for personal projects.

martin

[gabriele renzi]

il Thu, 20 Nov 2003 12:13:08 GMT, Martin DeMello
<martindemello@yahoo.com> ha scritto::

>Is there a definitive roundup somewhere of WebObjects-inspired
>frameworks? I'm using Tapestry at work, and really liking it, and I want
>to check out the Ruby equivalents for personal projects.

I think there are two: CGIKit and SWS/SDS.
The former has been around for a while and has a dedicated mailing
list, but it works more as a cgi than as an AppServer.

The second is quite new, it works as an AppServer (i.e. always
running) and has a system for object persistence (SDS) that CGIKit is
lacking. Take a look at both :)

[Gavin Sinclair]

On Thursday, November 20, 2003, 11:17:15 PM, Martin wrote:

> Is there a definitive roundup somewhere of WebObjects-inspired
> frameworks? I'm using Tapestry at work, and really liking it, and I want
> to check out the Ruby equivalents for personal projects.

Hmmm, I'll try to ping you on IRC about it sometime. Tapestry appeals
to me.

I understand CGIKit ([url]http://www.spice-of-life.net/download/cgikit/[/url]) is
inspired by WebObjects. It is certainly reminiscent of Tapestry.
Version 1.1.0 was released recently, but the author limited his
announcement to the Amrita list, unfortunately.

Gavin

[Marek Janukowicz]

On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 14:32:51 GMT, gabriele renzi wrote:

>>Is there a definitive roundup somewhere of WebObjects-inspired
>>frameworks? I'm using Tapestry at work, and really liking it, and I want
>>to check out the Ruby equivalents for personal projects.

>
> I think there are two: CGIKit and SWS/SDS.
> The former has been around for a while and has a dedicated mailing
> list, but it works more as a cgi than as an AppServer.
>
> The second is quite new, it works as an AppServer (i.e. always
> running) and has a system for object persistence (SDS) that CGIKit is
> lacking. Take a look at both :)

I'd like to add the new development version of SWS (not released yet)
introduces the concept of "adaptor" - it can run as standalone
application (listens on its own TCP port), as FastCGI script and CGI
program (there are some issues with the last one). I'll soon add a
mod_ruby adaptor, but the last two will definitely be discouraged.

--
Marek Janukowicz

[gabriele renzi]

il 20 Nov 2003 16:35:24 GMT, Marek Janukowicz
<childNOSPAM@t17.ds.pwr.wroc.pl> ha scritto::

>I'd like to add the new development version of SWS (not released yet)
>introduces the concept of "adaptor" - it can run as standalone
>application (listens on its own TCP port), as FastCGI script and CGI
>program (there are some issues with the last one). I'll soon add a
>mod_ruby adaptor, but the last two will definitely be discouraged.

I'm always fascinated from WebObjects and thus from both SWS and
CGKit.

But I really never can get my mind through this system.

May I ask you to put something big enough in the package's
distribution to give an idea of development wiht it ?

Something like a mini-featured weblog, or wiki, or forum..
Simple yet complex enough to grok how to use the system.

[Marek Janukowicz]

On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 23:26:01 GMT, gabriele renzi wrote:

>>I'd like to add the new development version of SWS (not released yet)
>>introduces the concept of "adaptor" - it can run as standalone
>>application (listens on its own TCP port), as FastCGI script and CGI
>>program (there are some issues with the last one). I'll soon add a
>>mod_ruby adaptor, but the last two will definitely be discouraged.

>
> I'm always fascinated from WebObjects and thus from both SWS and
> CGKit.
>
> But I really never can get my mind through this system.
>
> May I ask you to put something big enough in the package's
> distribution to give an idea of development wiht it ?
>
> Something like a mini-featured weblog, or wiki, or forum..
> Simple yet complex enough to grok how to use the system.

Ok, I try to put up such example application. The problem is I really
hate writing documentation and examples (I think it's a common problem
among developers :). Yet I realize any library is almost useless without
good documentation, so I'll do my best :)

OTOH I don't get enough support from the users of SWS (maybe there are
none? :). It is really difficult for me to recognize the lacking areas
of docs/examples, because I know the library thoroughly and the way it
works is obvious to me :) So I encourage you and other SWS users to not
hesitate and contact me with any feature requests/flames etc. you may
have.

--
Marek Janukowicz

[Martin DeMello]

gabriele renzi <surrender_it@remove.yahoo.it> wrote:

>
> I think there are two: CGIKit and SWS/SDS.
> The former has been around for a while and has a dedicated mailing
> list, but it works more as a cgi than as an AppServer.
>
> The second is quite new, it works as an AppServer (i.e. always
> running) and has a system for object persistence (SDS) that CGIKit is
> lacking. Take a look at both :)

Thanks :) Went through the docs; they both look pretty interesting. I'll
have to try a small app in each.

martin

[gabriele renzi @ google]

>

> I understand CGIKit ([url]http://www.spice-of-life.net/download/cgikit/[/url]) is
> inspired by WebObjects. It is certainly reminiscent of Tapestry.
> Version 1.1.0 was released recently, but the author limited his
> announcement to the Amrita list, unfortunately.

I'm quite sure I read the ANN here.. anyway, if someone has a
somethin' built using CGIKit would he mind to comment on his
experience (and well, possibly the code ;-) ?
It would be interesting to see how users not experienced with
WebObjects have faced that kind of developing aproach, for thos of us
that are not subscibed to the mailing list