copying dvd's to hard drive

[Scott]

I just bought a dvd drive and I want to copy some of my movies to my
hard drive so that I don't have to carry them while I travel... So, I
go to do a
dd if=/dev/sr0 of=/dvds/iceage bs=32768
But, it fails:
dd: reading `/dev/sr0': Input/output error
83+1 records in
83+1 records out

My bet is that the problem lies in the copy protection. Is there any
way to do the copying?

Thanks,
Scott

[Alan Connor]

On 10 Sep 2003 20:40:50 -0700, Scott <googlegroups@scottsavarese.com> wrote:

>
>
> I just bought a dvd drive and I want to copy some of my movies to my
> hard drive so that I don't have to carry them while I travel... So, I
> go to do a
> dd if=/dev/sr0 of=/dvds/iceage bs=32768
> But, it fails:
> dd: reading `/dev/sr0': Input/output error
> 83+1 records in
> 83+1 records out
>
> My bet is that the problem lies in the copy protection. Is there any
> way to do the copying?
>
> Thanks,
> Scott

That doesn't make any sense.

Sounds like you are up to piracy.

If I am wrong, I apologize.

If I am right, I hope no one helps you.

Alan C


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[Chris Cox]

Scott wrote:

> I just bought a dvd drive and I want to copy some of my movies to my
> hard drive so that I don't have to carry them while I travel... So, I
> go to do a
> dd if=/dev/sr0 of=/dvds/iceage bs=32768
> But, it fails:
> dd: reading `/dev/sr0': Input/output error
> 83+1 records in
> 83+1 records out
>
> My bet is that the problem lies in the copy protection. Is there any
> way to do the copying?

You will have to illegally rip the data into an unencoded form.
It might not cost you too much if you're 12 years old.

>
> Thanks,
> Scott

[Nico Kadel-Garcia]

Chris Cox wrote:

> Scott wrote:
>

>> I just bought a dvd drive and I want to copy some of my movies to my
>> hard drive so that I don't have to carry them while I travel... So, I
>> go to do a
>> dd if=/dev/sr0 of=/dvds/iceage bs=32768
>> But, it fails:
>> dd: reading `/dev/sr0': Input/output error
>> 83+1 records in
>> 83+1 records out
>>
>> My bet is that the problem lies in the copy protection. Is there any
>> way to do the copying?

>
>
> You will have to illegally rip the data into an unencoded form.
> It might not cost you too much if you're 12 years old.

DVD recorders have various "features" built into them to prevent exactly
this. You need to unlock the encryption keys for duplicating DVD's. The
courts are fighting this one out right now, but you might look into the
history of the DECSS software that was used to play DVD's and exposed
the ludicruous simplicity of the encryption/locking techniques the
manufacturers use.

[Måns Rullgård]

[email]googlegroups@scottsavarese.com[/email] (Scott) writes:

> I just bought a dvd drive and I want to copy some of my movies to my
> hard drive so that I don't have to carry them while I travel... So, I
> go to do a
> dd if=/dev/sr0 of=/dvds/iceage bs=32768
> But, it fails:
> dd: reading `/dev/sr0': Input/output error
> 83+1 records in
> 83+1 records out
>
> My bet is that the problem lies in the copy protection. Is there any
> way to do the copying?

It's possible, but it might be illegal. Check out libdvdread and
libdvdcss.

--
Måns Rullgård
[email]mru@users.sf.net[/email]

[Captain Dondo]

On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 03:55:52 +0000, Alan Connor wrote:

> That doesn't make any sense.
>
> Sounds like you are up to piracy.
>
> If I am wrong, I apologize.
>
> If I am right, I hope no one helps you.
>
> Alan C

A priate wouldn't be advertising like this. They're a bit more
sophisticated. At least the large-scale ones. And if they're this
stupid, they won't be around too long.

I always thought you could copy the .VOB files without too many problems -
but the data in them is encrypted, so you still need a decryption
algorithm to play them, even if you copy them.

No?

Anyway DeCSS libs are out there. You can see how it's done.

--Dondo

[Jacoby Yves]

Scott wrote:

> I just bought a dvd drive and I want to copy some of my movies to my
> hard drive so that I don't have to carry them while I travel... So, I
> go to do a
> dd if=/dev/sr0 of=/dvds/iceage bs=32768
> But, it fails:
> dd: reading `/dev/sr0': Input/output error
> 83+1 records in
> 83+1 records out
>
> My bet is that the problem lies in the copy protection. Is there any
> way to do the copying?
>
> Thanks,
> Scott

Why should it be illegal to make backup copies on a laptop when you
legally own the original DVDs? Just because you don't want to carry DVD
around, knowing they are expensive and you could dommage them ?

[bgeer]

[email]googlegroups@scottsavarese.com[/email] (Scott) writes:

>I just bought a dvd drive and I want to copy some of my movies to my
>hard drive so that I don't have to carry them while I travel... So, I
>go to do a
> dd if=/dev/sr0 of=/dvds/iceage bs=32768
>But, it fails:
> dd: reading `/dev/sr0': Input/output error
> 83+1 records in
> 83+1 records out

I put the dvd in my drive, mounted it, & used the command

cp -pr /dvd /[disk_directory]/.

It plays back using ogle compiled with decss. YMMV, esp. since this
particular dvd was a gift from a friend who traveled in China.

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[John Hasler]

Jacoby Yves writes:

> Why should it be illegal to make backup copies on a laptop when you
> legally own the original DVDs?

"Should" has nothing to do with it. Copyright law makes the creation of
copies the sole right of the copyright owner. I hope you don't labor under
the delusion that the law has anything to do with right and wrong or
morality.
--
John Hasler
[email]john@dhh.gt.org[/email] (John Hasler)
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, WI

[Chris Cox]

Jacoby Yves wrote:
....

>
> Why should it be illegal to make backup copies on a laptop when you
> legally own the original DVDs? Just because you don't want to carry DVD
> around, knowing they are expensive and you could dommage them ?
>

Good question. The answer unfortunately is "because".

[Chris Cox]

Captain Dondo wrote:
....

> I always thought you could copy the .VOB files without too many problems -
> but the data in them is encrypted, so you still need a decryption
> algorithm to play them, even if you copy them.
>
> No?

No. Unless you have a magic DVD drive (and there are some
out there).

>
> Anyway DeCSS libs are out there. You can see how it's done.

Yep.

[Captain Dondo]

On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 13:08:00 -0500, Chris Cox wrote:

> Good question. The answer unfortunately is "because".

Because in the US we have a bunch of politicians who a) don't understand
technology, b) are afraid of technology, and c) are bought and paid for by
the entertainment industry.

Who else would have tried to make encryption illegal, given us the DMCA,
and the Clipper chip? And incidentally given European companies an
enormous head start in the info security field? (US universities do the
basic research, then US companies are forbidded by US law from using it.
ARGHH!)

-Dondo

[John Hasler]

Dondo writes:

> Because in the US we have a bunch of politicians who a) don't understand
> technology, b) are afraid of technology, and c) are bought and paid for
> by the entertainment industry.

Please list the countries where copying such works is legal.

> Who else would have tried to make encryption illegal, given us the DMCA,
> and the Clipper chip?

Any government that could get away with it. You might want to look up some
of the European Commission's recent directives (BTW we _don't_ have the
Clipper chip).

> US universities do the basic research, then US companies are forbidded by
> US law from using it.

Examples please.
--
John Hasler
[email]john@dhh.gt.org[/email] (John Hasler)
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, WI

[Alan Connor]

On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 13:08:00 -0500, Chris Cox <ccox_nopenotthis@airmail.net> wrote:

>
>
> Jacoby Yves wrote:
> ...

>>
>> Why should it be illegal to make backup copies on a laptop when you
>> legally own the original DVDs? Just because you don't want to carry DVD
>> around, knowing they are expensive and you could dommage them ?
>>

>
> Good question. The answer unfortunately is "because".
>

The answer is that a very large number of people just flat out rip off
the music/film companies.

Either by distributing stolen data or by accepting it.

They try to sugarcoat it, but it's theft, pure and simple.

Who pays for it? The honest customers, the workers at the company, the
stockholders........The ARTISTS.

How can someone rip off someone whose art they like?


Are they supposed to work for nothing to please people?

Note that these same thieves would be FURIOUS if someone stole what THEY
made a living from....



Alan C


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[nolo]

On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 19:47:21 +0000, Alan Connor wrote:

> On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 13:08:00 -0500, Chris Cox <ccox_nopenotthis@airmail.net> wrote:

>>
>>
>> Jacoby Yves wrote:
>> ...

>>>
>>> Why should it be illegal to make backup copies on a laptop when you
>>> legally own the original DVDs? Just because you don't want to carry DVD
>>> around, knowing they are expensive and you could dommage them ?
>>>

>>
>> Good question. The answer unfortunately is "because".
>>

>
>
> The answer is that a very large number of people just flat out rip off
> the music/film companies.
>
> Either by distributing stolen data or by accepting it.
>
> They try to sugarcoat it, but it's theft, pure and simple.
>
> Who pays for it? The honest customers, the workers at the company, the
> stockholders........The ARTISTS.
>
> How can someone rip off someone whose art they like?
>
>
> Are they supposed to work for nothing to please people?
>
> Note that these same thieves would be FURIOUS if someone stole what THEY
> made a living from....
>
>
>
> Alan C

You're full of shit, Alan

[Captain Dondo]

On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 19:47:21 +0000, Alan Connor wrote:

> Who pays for it? The honest customers, the workers at the company, the
> stockholders........The ARTISTS.
>
> How can someone rip off someone whose art they like?

Do you know how much a small artist actually makes from the sale of their
CDs by a large company? $0.

All that profit (and there it gobs) goes to pay the richest fatcats at the
top of the foodchain - the record companies.

It costs <$2 to put a CD on the shelves at the local CD store - inlcuding
paying the artist. The wholesale price is something like $10. Given the
profit at most retail operations, the retail price should be closer to
$4-5, not $16-$19 like today......

I'm not condoning piracy, just don't believe that the poor starving artist
is getting ripped off. S/he got ripped off when they cut the album.

And have you actually tried to get the major companies to give you rights
to play/copy their music? I tried. It took months; persistent phone
calls, emails, etc. One of three eventually replied; I got the right to
play the music, but I still can't get anone to tell me if I can copy it.

Most of the piracy is caused by the attitude of the largest companies, and
the rampant law breaking is simply a rebelion against their greed and
profiteering.

-Dondo

[Scott]

Alan Connor <alanconnor@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:<cnS7b.7568$Yt.985@newsread4.news.pas.earthli nk.net>...

> That doesn't make any sense.
>
> Sounds like you are up to piracy.
>

Ummm... I have no intent to sell any of the dvd's I plan on copying...
Not like you believe me or anything...

> If I am wrong, I apologize.

Good...

>
> If I am right, I hope no one helps you.

Cold... Very cold...

Scott

[Alan Connor]

On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 20:39:42 GMT, nolo <nolo@nowherenohow.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 19:47:21 +0000, Alan Connor wrote:
>

>> On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 13:08:00 -0500, Chris Cox <ccox_nopenotthis@airmail.net> wrote:

>>>
>>>
>>> Jacoby Yves wrote:
>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> Why should it be illegal to make backup copies on a laptop when you
>>>> legally own the original DVDs? Just because you don't want to carry DVD
>>>> around, knowing they are expensive and you could dommage them ?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Good question. The answer unfortunately is "because".
>>>

>>
>>
>> The answer is that a very large number of people just flat out rip off
>> the music/film companies.
>>
>> Either by distributing stolen data or by accepting it.
>>
>> They try to sugarcoat it, but it's theft, pure and simple.
>>
>> Who pays for it? The honest customers, the workers at the company, the
>> stockholders........The ARTISTS.
>>
>> How can someone rip off someone whose art they like?
>>
>>
>> Are they supposed to work for nothing to please people?
>>
>> Note that these same thieves would be FURIOUS if someone stole what THEY
>> made a living from....
>>
>>
>>
>> Alan C

>
> You're full of shit, Alan
>

Now there's a nice, intelligent response.

Exactly what point of mine is wrong, and why is it wrong?


Or does everyone just have to take your word for it because you can use
big words like "shit"?


Alan C


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[Alan Connor]

On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 17:27:47 -0400, Captain Dondo <yan@NsOeSiPnAeMr.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 19:47:21 +0000, Alan Connor wrote:
>

>> Who pays for it? The honest customers, the workers at the company, the
>> stockholders........The ARTISTS.
>>
>> How can someone rip off someone whose art they like?

>
> Do you know how much a small artist actually makes from the sale of their
> CDs by a large company? $0.
>

That's nonsense. They make a small amount and millions of times a small
amount is a LARGE amount.

> All that profit (and there it gobs) goes to pay the richest fatcats at the
> top of the foodchain - the record companies.
>

Yes. And all of that record company's employees: the vast bulk of it.
And all of the pensioners whose pension funds are invested in that company.

> It costs <$2 to put a CD on the shelves at the local CD store - inlcuding
> paying the artist.

So now you say the artists are paid. You are one confused person.




The wholesale price is something like $10. Given the

> profit at most retail operations, the retail price should be closer to
> $4-5, not $16-$19 like today......
>

Which you say not being one of the companies investors or workers or artists.

> I'm not condoning piracy, just don't believe that the poor starving artist
> is getting ripped off. S/he got ripped off when they cut the album.

I think you ARE rationalizing piracy.

The artists DO make quite a bit of money, if people don't rip them off.

>
> And have you actually tried to get the major companies to give you rights
> to play/copy their music? I tried. It took months; persistent phone
> calls, emails, etc. One of three eventually replied; I got the right to
> play the music, but I still can't get anone to tell me if I can copy it.
>

It's their property.

> Most of the piracy is caused by the attitude of the largest companies, and
> the rampant law breaking is simply a rebelion against their greed and
> profiteering.
>
> -Dondo

The rationalizations of a thief. All criminals can justify their actions.

It goes with the territory.


Alan C


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[John Hasler]

Alan Connor writes:

> Sounds like you are up to piracy.

No. Piracy involves robbery and murder on the high seas. He may be up to
unauthorized copying, but he isn't up to piracy.

> I have no intent to sell any of the dvd's I plan on copying...

In that case all they can do is sue you for $150,000 per DVD (plus legal
expenses).

BTW the illegality of copying DVDs (even for your own use) is not something
put in place at the behest of Hollywood. It would be illegal even if US
copyright law had not changed since the 18th century.

> Not like you believe me or anything...

I believe you, and I don't consider it wrong. Just illegal.
--
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[email]john@dhh.gt.org[/email] (John Hasler)
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, WI