Couple of questions relating to programming

[Shane Stevens]

Hi,

I am a video game programmer who is used to programming in C++ inside Visual
Studio.NET 2003. I need to code a fairly complicated web site for to
administer some of our assests however I am fairly new to web development.

That being said I have a lot of experience in writing code using the .NET
framework so I would like to continue using this knowledge using ASP.NET with
C#. I am evaluating what combination of products I should be using to achieve
my goal.

Where I am now is I have been developing some test sites in ASP.NET with C#
using VS.NET and was amazed at how easy it was to create complex webforms. I
can place controls where I want them and easily hook up the events with VS.NET
auto-generating the appropriate C# functions with nice separation of code from
design via .aspx and .aspx.cs. The best feature of all is the fact that I can
set a breakpoint in server code and debug pages on the fly! Just awesome.
It's like I'm not even developing for the web...

I then started evaluating Dreamweaver MX 2004 and it's design abilities appear
to be much richer than VS.NET however it's coding integration isn't a scratch
on VS.NET and feels like a major step back.

So my question is, what do web developers normally do? It seems like a
painful ordeal to design in one tool and code in another, but i've been told
this is common...

Thoughts?

Shane

[middletree]

"Shane Stevens" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
news:d5crmq$qbf$1@forums.macromedia.com...

> I then started evaluating Dreamweaver MX 2004 and it's design abilities

appear

> to be much richer than VS.NET however it's coding integration isn't a

scratch

> on VS.NET and feels like a major step back.
>

Your paragraph above contains an accurate summary of the way things are. DW
is great for design, but so much for programming.

> So my question is, what do web developers normally do? It seems like a
> painful ordeal to design in one tool and code in another, but i've been

told

> this is common...
>

Can't speak for everyone, but I use ASP (classic), and I use DW for layout,
then hand-code the server-side stuff.

[clintonG]

Do an eval of FrontPage 2003 and without question get TopStyle (CSS IDE).
DMX has always been lame when used with VSN2003 and FrontPage too for this
matter but somewhat less so. FrontPage has a lead in this context and will
retain it. If all you need is a tool for the presentation tier FrontPage is
going to work well for you noting it is only marginally less useful than DMX
in this regard. The real value of DMX has been the many extensions that are
available for neophytes. Furthermore, now that Adobe owns DMX who knows what
will happen? You don't want to get caught with your pants down and $600
broker with all your time invested in a marginalized page generator when
Microsoft releases Longhorn and Avalon only to discover that Visual Studio
and FrontPage are finally integrated and interoperable. That will never
happen with DMX. Never.

Noting it is OT to do so I'll offer the following articles for review
anyway:

[1]
[url]http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/odc_fp2003_ta/html/odc_FPUsingASPNETWithFrontPage2003.asp[/url]
[2]
[url]http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/odc_fp2003_bk/html/odc_fp_c43615101.asp[/url]
[3] [url]http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;871217[/url]

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"Shane Stevens" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
news:d5crmq$qbf$1@forums.macromedia.com...

> Hi,
>
> I am a video game programmer who is used to programming in C++ inside
> Visual
> Studio.NET 2003. I need to code a fairly complicated web site for to
> administer some of our assests however I am fairly new to web development.
>
> That being said I have a lot of experience in writing code using the .NET
> framework so I would like to continue using this knowledge using ASP.NET
> with
> C#. I am evaluating what combination of products I should be using to
> achieve
> my goal.
>
> Where I am now is I have been developing some test sites in ASP.NET with
> C#
> using VS.NET and was amazed at how easy it was to create complex webforms.
> I
> can place controls where I want them and easily hook up the events with
> VS.NET
> auto-generating the appropriate C# functions with nice separation of code
> from
> design via .aspx and .aspx.cs. The best feature of all is the fact that I
> can
> set a breakpoint in server code and debug pages on the fly! Just awesome.
> It's like I'm not even developing for the web...
>
> I then started evaluating Dreamweaver MX 2004 and it's design abilities
> appear
> to be much richer than VS.NET however it's coding integration isn't a
> scratch
> on VS.NET and feels like a major step back.
>
> So my question is, what do web developers normally do? It seems like a
> painful ordeal to design in one tool and code in another, but i've been
> told
> this is common...
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Shane
>

[Shane Stevens]

Thanks for the replies guys.

Further to my research, I just installed and played with Microsoft Visual Web
Developer 2005 Express Beta and it completely kicks ass! It does everything I
need and if you haven't had a look I strongly recommend you do.

Wish me luck in my Web development! :)

Shane

[clintonG]

Oh yea --- good luck --- sorry I forgot to mention the new Express product
line [1]

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[1] [url]http://lab.msdn.microsoft.com/express/[/url]


"Shane Stevens" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
news:d5fgks$l43$1@forums.macromedia.com...

> Thanks for the replies guys.
>
> Further to my research, I just installed and played with Microsoft Visual
> Web
> Developer 2005 Express Beta and it completely kicks ass! It does
> everything I
> need and if you haven't had a look I strongly recommend you do.
>
> Wish me luck in my Web development! :)
>
> Shane
>