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difficulty installing 5.3-R i386 - FreeBSD

Hi all, I have an old old pentium, scsi HDD + floppy + CDROM, 16 MB of somewhat dubious ram... I have 5.3R CDs 1 and 2 I have 3 seemingly working floppies (after writing to 6 disks... ofcourse!) boot goes like this... boot disk. kern1 kern2 boot boot screen with about 8 options, none of which seem to be the installation option... then reboots back to floppy... I do not seem to have a way of getting to sysinstall!!! -- ########## Paul van den Bergen, #### # Gabrielle Harrison # # # & Anja van den Bergen # #### ...

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    Default difficulty installing 5.3-R i386

    Hi all,

    I have an old old pentium, scsi HDD + floppy + CDROM, 16 MB of somewhat
    dubious ram...

    I have 5.3R CDs 1 and 2

    I have 3 seemingly working floppies (after writing to 6 disks... ofcourse!)

    boot goes like this...

    boot disk.
    kern1
    kern2
    boot
    boot screen with about 8 options, none of which seem to be the
    installation option... then reboots back to floppy...


    I do not seem to have a way of getting to sysinstall!!!




    --
    ########## Paul van den Bergen,
    #### # Gabrielle Harrison
    # # # & Anja van den Bergen
    # #### # 848 High Street Rd
    #### # # Glen Waverley VIC 3150 Australia
    # ###### org.au
    # # ph: +613 9886 3160
    ##### mob: 042 886 3160
    Gabrielle Guest

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    On Wed, Apr 06, 2005 at 09:29:02PM +1000, Gabrielle Harrison & Paul van den Bergen wrote: 

    I don't think 16MB RAM is enough to install 5.x
    You probably need to increase the RAM.
     

    --
    <Insert your favourite quote here.>
    Erik Trulsson
    uu.se
    Erik Guest

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    On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 15:34:01 +0400, Erik Trulsson <uu.se>
    wrote:
     
    >
    > I don't think 16MB RAM is enough to install 5.x
    > You probably need to increase the RAM.[/ref]

    strange, i've got the same error and it was gone after adding another 8 mb
    of ram
    after install i removed them back and system works on 16 mb without
    errors. is this
    normal?

    --
    Best Regards, Michael
    Michael Guest

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    On Wed, Apr 06, 2005 at 03:47:32PM +0400, Michael Lednev wrote: 
    > >
    > >I don't think 16MB RAM is enough to install 5.x
    > >You probably need to increase the RAM.[/ref]
    >
    > strange, i've got the same error and it was gone after adding another 8 mb
    > of ram
    > after install i removed them back and system works on 16 mb without
    > errors. is this
    > normal?[/ref]

    Yes, that is normal. After installation you have got a swap configured
    and the system can use it if the physical RAM is not sufficient.
    During installation you do not have any swap available and therefore
    the RAM must be large enough to fit everything in it at once.

    If you really wanted to you could almost certainly *run* (but not
    install) 5.3 with only 8 MB RAM (at least if you had a customized
    kernel) but I wouldn't recommend it.



    --
    <Insert your favourite quote here.>
    Erik Trulsson
    uu.se
    Erik Guest

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    On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 16:27:21 +0400, Erik Trulsson <uu.se>
    wrote:
     

    that's not completely true. when i ran install on 16 mb system rebooted at
    boot loader start (i didn't saw beastie :) ), and after install it loads ok

    --
    Best Regards, Michael
    Michael Guest

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    Michael Lednev wrote:
     
    >
    >
    > that's not completely true. when i ran install on 16 mb system
    > rebooted at
    > boot loader start (i didn't saw beastie :) ), and after install it
    > loads ok
    >[/ref]

    I think you misunderstood. In order to get sysinstall and the kernel from
    the install floppies up, modules and all, you need greater than 16MB system
    RAM. The Doc team was in the process of addressing this in the
    doentation
    recently, but I've not read the update doc yet, so I don't know if it's
    been done.*

    Erik's point is that an *installed* system could be slimmed down to the
    point
    of possibly working with 8MB system RAM by configuring and building a
    very tiny *custom* kernel. I'm not sure really who'd want to do that
    .... perhaps
    for some type of embedded system?

    Anyway, if the docs haven't been updated, it needs to be known that you need
    more than 16MB RAM to run the FreeBSD installer for versions >= 5.3-RELEASE.

    For reference, see PR docs/77304.

    Kevin Kinsey

    * Looks like it has, see bmah's commit note ref: same PR...
    Kevin Guest

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    Default Re: difficulty installing 5.3-R i386 - how to check RAM

    Gabrielle Harrison & Paul van den Bergen wrote:
     

    *g*, Yeah. I've got piles of it. Some of them are
    my primary DNS/web machines, :-p

    As to the question -- Hmm, what should I say?

    (1st, a parenthetical observation --- the FBSD list doesn't like
    "top posting" much, and you forgot to cc: the list: many people
    request that you keep all this discussion _on_ the list for a couple
    of reasons. However, you're probably new to all this; consider
    forgiveness extended, but try to play nicer next time? Nothing
    personal, you understand ... just a "heads up" for the future....)

    The standard answer for "RAM issues" is to download the
    program "memtest86", which is available for most any
    computing platform. (e.g., it's OS independent once
    you create the floppy disk). Running this program will create
    a bootable floppy disk that you stick in the box, boot
    into, and it runs tests all day long until you shut it down.

    I believe you want http://www.memtest.org

    IIRC, you may be able to get a log/report from it, so
    you don't have to sit there through $n iterations of
    the test and watch the screen for errors, but YMMV.

    As for mixing chips, it's been a long, long time, and I
    was more like a "hobbyist" then (maybe still am), but
    I do seem to remember it was a "no no" to mix EDO
    and FP chips, or some such, blah blah....

    HTH,

    Kevin Kinsey
    Kevin Guest

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    On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 21:02:27 -0500, Kevin Kinsey <biz> wrote:
     
    >
    > *g*, Yeah. I've got piles of it. Some of them are
    > my primary DNS/web machines, :-p
    >
    > As to the question -- Hmm, what should I say?[/ref]

    yeah... which turned out to be my saviour... I dug out an old pile of
    MBs... which still had there mem chips intact, now have 98 MB in the
    machine, loading happily as I typo...

     

    No problems, thanks for the headsup... Not intentional, just used to lists
    that do auto-reply-to as default... :-) but I guess this is flame war
    material here... personally I have found top posting more useable as I
    tend to scan the email top first to see if I want to read... I can see the
    point though, in-line or bottom post presumably being prefered for some
    reason ;-) guess it's a style thing, one that I'm not fussed by, so I'll
    tow the line...

     

    ta! that looks just what I want... Knowing the hardware is fine goes a
    long way to solving bugs ;-)


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    #### # Gabrielle Harrison
    # # # & Anja van den Bergen
    # #### # 848 High Street Rd
    #### # # Glen Waverley VIC 3150 Australia
    # ###### org.au
    # # ph: +613 9886 3160
    ##### mob: 042 886 3160
    Gabrielle Guest

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