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Exporting for print - Macromedia Freehand

Hi guys, When I export to TIFF, the result is a little more jagged than I had hoped (the flash anti alias render in Freehand itself is excellent, though). This will be for print, so can anyone suggest a resize ratio for export? because at 100% they're quite visible. Should I export at 200% of the original size for added detail? Also, what is the exect process you guys go through when preparing for print? Its already in CMYK, which is a start, I guess ;). How can I resize the stage to the exact measurements of A3? </n00b> cheers ...

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    Hi guys,

    When I export to TIFF, the result is a little more jagged than I had hoped
    (the flash anti alias render in Freehand itself is excellent, though).

    This will be for print, so can anyone suggest a resize ratio for export?
    because at 100% they're quite visible. Should I export at 200% of the original
    size for added detail?

    Also, what is the exect process you guys go through when preparing for print?

    Its already in CMYK, which is a start, I guess ;). How can I resize the stage
    to the exact measurements of A3?

    </n00b>

    cheers ;)

    Oli-G Guest

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    Oli-G wrote: 

    I'm sure I'll learn something from the advice better minds here will
    give you on this. Previously I've exported an EPS out of Freehand and
    then rasterized that in Photoshop. But that's just for special
    cirstances -- I prefer to keep it as EPS for printing.
     

    Should be able to do that in the doent panel. I actually see A3
    listed as a size there.
    Wes Guest

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    Well... none of the exports were any good, so I exported to EPS then finalised
    it in Photoshop - which rendered the anti-aliasing nicely. However it also
    completely messes up the gradients/lens fills...
    ugh

    Oli-G Guest

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    I was sure your post wasnt there when I posted second time around. Anyway
    cheers, not sure what i'll do, just don't trust the EPS interpretation as
    unlike raster, I cant tell the output until the $ has been spent on the print!
    Though, if I increase the printer resolution (as you said in my other thread)
    up to around 2000, I guess the blends should smooth out nicely enough.

    Oli-G Guest

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    Oli-G wrote:
     

    If you're preparing files for print and don't have a Postscript printer for
    proofing, I highly recommend Acrobat Pro/Distiller. From FH, you can print
    to a Postscript file, Distill to a PDF file with press quality settings. All
    vector art remains vectors. Acrobat Pro 6 has a separation preview feature
    that allows you check and make sure your objects and inks are separating to
    the intended plates.

    Judy Arndt

    Judy Guest

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    Thanx Judy, have never really heard much of that method, so am very keen to
    try. As it stood however, I just exported an EPS at twice the size of the
    intended print, then imported to Photoshop, and shrunk it to the original size
    and saved as a TIFF. Not *perfect* but fine enough for class.

    Another question!

    The swatches panel lists all of the colours I am using.

    However I need to print a list of every colour (in its little filled box, I
    gues), with the CMYK colour code next to it.

    As far as I know, its called a CMYK seperation sheet. Anyone have any ideas?

    cheers!

    Oli-G Guest

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    Oli-G wrote:
     

    How about asking your instructor what is needed?

    If you only need a list of the color names, just take a screen shot of your
    color list and import that into the FH doent. A screen shot would be RGB
    color space.

    If you need swatches that will color separate correctly to CMYK inks, then
    you'll have to build a swatch table manually.

    Judy Arndt

    Judy Guest

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    I asked ;).

    But not only is this for a typography class (as opposed to a vector class),
    but no-one uses Macromedia Freehand; the teachers available are trained largely
    in the wider-scoped Adobe Illustrator

    I do have a swatch table with each colour used in the image, and in the end I
    did actually take screen shots of the extended table, which worked fine for a
    study based task, I guess.

    However this method is not at all acceptable, and there surely must be a way
    for freehand to export a single page with a sample swatch list and CMYK colour
    code next to it.

    Anyone have any ideas?



    Oli-G Guest

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    File>Report. Unchecked everything, apart from 'Named Colours' in the
    'Colours' category. This will allow you to save a plain text file
    containing a list of all your named swatches and their CMYK values,
    which you can print.

    BTW, I personally woudn't describe Adobe Illustrator as 'wider-scoped'.
    More widely-used, yes, but if anything, its scope is narrower than FH's.

    --


    Danny
    Danny Guest

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    Cheers! Comes close to what I needed.

    And my (and numerous seniors) experiences with illustrator have proved to the
    contrary on any number of levels, but everyones entitled to their opinion :).

    Thanks again

    Oli-G Guest

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    Not trying to pick a fight here, just curious.
    1) How is Illustrator "wider scoped" than FreeHand?
    2) How would you go about doing making your color list in Illustrator
    (especially if you had not named some/all of the colors in the swatch
    panel)?

    Rich

    Oli-G wrote: 
    Rich Guest

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    No worries ;).

    Well... aside from the fact I can't rely on it not crashing on me consistently
    after 30 odd minutes (im sure theres a fix though), and the incredibly long
    list of bugs that reveal themselves through typical non-intensive use, I just
    found illustrator to be a more complete program.

    Seamless integration, textures, gradient meshes, omission of useless things
    such as integrated flash, and better handling of layers. And what kind of
    software lets the user lose the toolbar!!!

    But don't get me wrong, given the cult following Freehand has, I am more than
    open to arguments in its favour! I find its drawing tools much more useful, and
    everyone speaks of how it is a more productive program. But i've just grown
    tired of the bugginess, I guess, and seeing others create great looking
    illustrations using the gradient/transparency features that illustrator allows.

    I'm yet to see any truly stunning or realistic vector work come from Freehand.
    But again, feel free to point me in the right direction... not really worth
    giving up just yet.

    Oli-G Guest

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    OK, maybe we're just arguing over semantics here. What you list are fine
    reasons to like AI over FH (in your opinion :) ) And you describe how
    FHMX is very buggy. But nothing you list makes it a wider scoped app.
    I would define a wide scope as something that has many applications to
    various functions. Multiple pages and varied page sizes way increases
    FH's abilities and uses. FH has much better text handling than AI, and
    rivals Quark or ID in many ways, this, combined with multiple pages,
    makes it an excellent, but limited, page layout tool. FH's Flash and
    web integration which you complain about is something that in fact gives
    it a wider scope. Illustrator on the other hand does what the name
    implies it Illustrates, and that's good, but it's not wider scoped.

    You never did mention how you would have created your color list in
    Illustrator.

    I'll see if I can dig up some online FH artwork for you consideration.

    Rich

    Oli-G wrote: 
    Rich Guest

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    Cheers! But as I said in both my 5th and 7th post in this thread, I am not 100%
    certain personally of Illustrators ability to generate a colour sheet, I only
    stated that as far as I knew ;). I will do my best to find out exactly next
    week when classes re-commence. Regardless of its implementation in any of the
    programs, I think it would be an interesting and useful feature to incorporate
    into future editions (in the unlikely event we see them)!

    I do agree with your points regarding Freehands positives, but at the end of
    the day, if an application is going to do multiple things, I believe it must do
    them well. A program that sacrifices core features for the sake of halfway
    useable features outside the normal scope of its use serves little more than as
    extra lines to add to the marketing pitch, imo.

    Which is why I would commend Illustrator - it functions solely as a vector
    program, and doesn't attempt to be something its not. To me, wide scope entails
    an abundance of features and extended functionality within its intended use.
    When it comes down to it, Freehands extra bits and pieces prove largely useless
    to professionals in the bigger picture - I still need Flash, and I still need
    Quark/InDesign. But I am always interested to hear of practical uses for these
    features.

    Peace out, and looking forward to the samples!

    Oli-G Guest

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    Oli-G wrote:
     

    Are you aware of the crash that occurs when the Styles and Layers panels
    grouped? Separate them and see if that helps.

    I suggest you look through the top technotes on the FH support page.
    http://www.macromedia.com/support/freehand/
     

    No one is telling you to use the wrong tools for your job. If highly
    realistic renderings are your career goal, then AI's tool set, including the
    gradient mesh, will probably make that easier. If your output needs only to
    be for raster images or CMYK output, you'll be fine.

    However, if you require Postscript output of spot inks, and need to convert
    RGB or CMYK doents for that purpose, FH makes that easier.

    Judy Arndt

    Judy Guest

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    Oli-G wrote:
     

    What? Aren't you the guy who is just learning to use both programs? Are you
    just making this up as you write?

    Remember, you're talking to forum members here who have been day in, day out
    users of both applications for ten or more years.

    Peace. :-)

    Judy Arndt

    Judy Guest

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    http://www.trevorjohnston.com/portfolio1.swf

    One of the parka illustrations shown in portfolio 1 was included as a sample file in version 8 or 9, I don't recall which. I've always been impressed with the photo-realism of the fabric, the wrinkle shading of which was done mostly with live blends. The design is still shown on MM's gallery page, so amny versions later.

    ttp://tinyurl.com/ad6cn

    On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 16:02:08 +0000 (UTC), Oli-G <com> wrote:
     



    --
    Bill
    FHMXa/WinXP/Athlon2500+/1GB
    Bill Guest

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    Oli-G wrote:
     

    Okay, maybe I was too hasty to object to your opinion. Do you think there is
    just one definition of 'professional' graphic design? In my opinion, anyone
    who makes a living as a graphic designer can be called a professional.

    Is a feature that is useless to one user useless to the application as a
    whole and its appeal in the market?

    There are many kinds of graphic design specialists -- packaging,
    cartography, logo design, web design, technical, medical and scientific
    illustration, signage (billboards to cut vinyl), information graphics, ads,
    screen printing and related spot color output. The list goes on.

    An application needs features that make work easier for many kinds of users
    -- and the more users the better.

    Judy Arndt

    Judy Guest

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    Bill wrote:
     

    Yeah, well, looking at that illustration gives me a headache. Just because
    something _can_ be done, doesn't mean it should be done the way it was done.
    I can't imagine any sportswear company wanting to pay for the work that went
    into this. We've been dealing with sportswear companies for years. Their
    glossy catalogs use photos.

    Judy Arndt

    Judy Guest

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    Thanks for taking up my slack Bill, I'm heading out for a long weekend
    and won't be able to do any searching/posting until later next week.

    rich

    Bill wrote:
     
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