extra apt sources, backports etc.

[Bret Comstock Waldow]

On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 15:29, A. Loonstra wrote:

> My question remains what's the best way to manage unofficial backports
> without having much trouble. I how do others do this?

Cautiously, with a restorable backup. I hold some packages too ("=" in
aptitude).

If there's a better way, I'm interested too. Another approach possibly
is to just run Testing or Sid all the time if one wants to keep up.

Cheers,
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[James Strandboge]

On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 15:29, A. Loonstra wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I've recently installed woody on a test system. I added the Gnome 2.2
> backport and the Xfree 4.2 backport. I added the following to sources.list
>
> # XFree 4.2
> deb [url]http://www.fs.tum.de/~bunk/debian[/url] woody/bunk-1 main contrib non-free
> deb-src [url]http://www.fs.tum.de/~bunk/debian[/url] woody/bunk-1 main contrib non-free
> # Gnome 2.2
> deb
> [url]ftp://ftp.acc.umu.se/mirror/mirrors.evilgeniuses.org.uk/debian/backports/woo[/url]
> dy gnome2.2/
> deb-src
> [url]ftp://ftp.acc.umu.se/mirror/mirrors.evilgeniuses.org.uk/debian/backports[/url]
> /woody gnome2.2/
>
> Installation went fine but I ran into som problems when aptitude
> suddenly wanted to remove a lot of packages. I managed to fix that but
> aptitude didn't automaticly fix broken dependencies and I had to do that
> by hand.

You no longer need Adrian's xfree86 4.2.1 packages as I supply them with
the backport. His packages are very good, and xfree86 4.2.1 are just
his sources recompiled on standard woody. There are a couple of small
patches in mine that work better with gnome2.2 at this moment as well,
but he may be adding those soon. If you take Adrian's lines out and
just use the gnome2.2 lines, you get everything you need for gnome2.2
and xfree86. Let me know of any conflicts in my packages.

> Kernel 2.6-test2 came out and I thought let's try this. But I
> had to install gcc and suddenly had different version installed; gcc
> (2.95) gcc-3.0-base gcc-3.3-base. The kernel doesn't want to compile
> telling me lots of includes are missing (fixdep.c). I'm having apt
> horrors, I guess, and am thinking of reinstalling the whole systems (I
> hate it when it's out of control)

If you want to use my gnome2.2 backport, try to remove Adrian's lines in
sources.list and his backports first, and after that, add his in
selectively. Otherwise just use his backport.

My gnome2.2 backport is not compatible with his for many reasons, one
being freetype. All of his packages have 'bunk' in the version string,
so they are easy enough to find:

COLUMNS=150 dpkg -l | grep bunk

Once they are all removed, feel free to add Adrian's lines back into
sources.list, and do 'apt-get install gcc-3.2' and have it pull in what
is needed for that package. When you have the packages you need for
2.6-test2, then comment out his line in sources.list.

Mixing backports can be very tricky because certain libraries need to be
upgraded for one, but conflict with another. freetype is one such
library. The semi-official OpenOffice.org and my backport use woody
freetype (2.0.9), however xfree86 4.3 and Adrian uses a backported
freetype (2.1.3) (though my packages now work with xfree86 4.3, if you
have all the proper libraries installed). Freetype 2.1.3 is not
backward compatible. Hopefully the person who did the backport cared
enough to have it work on a more or less standard woody, or supplied
alternatives where they had to upgrade a library. Adrian is one such
person, and I try to be too. :)

Jamie

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[ScruLoose]

On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 09:12:52PM -0400, Bret Comstock Waldow wrote:

> On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 15:29, A. Loonstra wrote:
>

> > My question remains what's the best way to manage unofficial backports
> > without having much trouble. I how do others do this?

>
> Cautiously, with a restorable backup. I hold some packages too ("=" in
> aptitude).
>
> If there's a better way, I'm interested too. Another approach possibly
> is to just run Testing or Sid all the time if one wants to keep up.

I'm pretty paranoid, so what I do is as follows:
All unofficial entries in my sources.list are commented out.

When I want to install a backport I uncomment (or add) the line for
the source of that backport, then do an apt-get update and apt-get
install. I do *not* use aptitude for this because it has a tendency to
go "oh look, new versions!" and wants to upgrade all kinds of stuff.

Then when my apt-get install is done I go back to my sources.list,
comment out the line in question, and do another apt-get update.

Then, when I run aptitude, all my unofficial stuff shows up under
"obsolete or local packages".

Now, there may very well be a smart way to do this with priorities or
somesuch... so you could tell apt(itude) "only install a package from
this source if it does not exist (any version) in the official
sources", but if so I don't know about it.

HTH
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[A. Loonstra]

James Strandboge wrote:

> On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 15:29, A. Loonstra wrote:
>

>>Hi,
>>
>>I've recently installed woody on a test system. I added the Gnome 2.2
>>backport and the Xfree 4.2 backport. I added the following to sources.list
>>
>># XFree 4.2
>>deb [url]http://www.fs.tum.de/~bunk/debian[/url] woody/bunk-1 main contrib non-free
>>deb-src [url]http://www.fs.tum.de/~bunk/debian[/url] woody/bunk-1 main contrib non-free
>># Gnome 2.2
>>deb
>>[url]ftp://ftp.acc.umu.se/mirror/mirrors.evilgeniuses.org.uk/debian/backports/woo[/url]
>>dy gnome2.2/
>>deb-src
>>[url]ftp://ftp.acc.umu.se/mirror/mirrors.evilgeniuses.org.uk/debian/backports[/url]
>>/woody gnome2.2/
>>
>>Installation went fine but I ran into som problems when aptitude
>>suddenly wanted to remove a lot of packages. I managed to fix that but
>>aptitude didn't automaticly fix broken dependencies and I had to do that
>>by hand.

>
>
> You no longer need Adrian's xfree86 4.2.1 packages as I supply them with
> the backport. His packages are very good, and xfree86 4.2.1 are just
> his sources recompiled on standard woody. There are a couple of small
> patches in mine that work better with gnome2.2 at this moment as well,
> but he may be adding those soon. If you take Adrian's lines out and
> just use the gnome2.2 lines, you get everything you need for gnome2.2
> and xfree86. Let me know of any conflicts in my packages.

[snip]

Well I reinstalled to machine for some more testing. I now only use your
backport (gnome2.2) When I do apt-get install gnome gdm I get unmet
dependencies: gnome Depends: gnucash but it is not going to be installed
E: Sorry broken packages.

Strange...

When I go into aptitude and try to install 'gnome' I have 2 broken packages:

libgal-data which is missing libgal23
gnucash which is also missing libgal23

Strange thing is is that I can't find the package, only the old original
one.

Arnaud.



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[A. Loonstra]

A. Loonstra wrote:

[snip]

>
> Well I reinstalled to machine for some more testing. I now only use your
> backport (gnome2.2) When I do apt-get install gnome gdm I get unmet
> dependencies: gnome Depends: gnucash but it is not going to be installed
> E: Sorry broken packages.
>
> Strange...
>
> When I go into aptitude and try to install 'gnome' I have 2 broken
> packages:
>
> libgal-data which is missing libgal23
> gnucash which is also missing libgal23
>
> Strange thing is is that I can't find the package, only the old original
> one.
>
> Arnaud.
>

Since my kernel will be compiling for a while I might as well continue.

I tried apt-get install gnome-core gdm gtk2-engines*

This did want to install but gave a dpkg error while processing
gtk2-engines-galaxy_0+20030515-1woody1

trying to overwrite
'/usr/share/icons/scalable/devices/gnome-dev-cdrom-audio.svg', which is
also in package gnome-themes-extras


Then continuing without the package works OK. I do have to install the X
system by hand now and going into aptitude is not a good idea since it
wants to deinstall lots of gnome packages since they are not used.

I fixed the mess aptitude made by marking the packages, which it wanted
to remove, installed. It then installed some extra packages and it seems
fixed now.

$%^&*# kernel compilation errors... I'm giving up, bedtime.

Arnaud.



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[James Strandboge]

On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 21:36, A. Loonstra wrote:

> A. Loonstra wrote:
>
> [snip]

> >
> > Well I reinstalled to machine for some more testing. I now only use your
> > backport (gnome2.2) When I do apt-get install gnome gdm I get unmet
> > dependencies: gnome Depends: gnucash but it is not going to be installed
> > E: Sorry broken packages.
> >
> > Strange...
> >
> > When I go into aptitude and try to install 'gnome' I have 2 broken
> > packages:
> >
> > libgal-data which is missing libgal23
> > gnucash which is also missing libgal23
> >
> > Strange thing is is that I can't find the package, only the old original
> > one.
> >
> > Arnaud.
> >

>
> Since my kernel will be compiling for a while I might as well continue.
>
> I tried apt-get install gnome-core gdm gtk2-engines*
>
> This did want to install but gave a dpkg error while processing
> gtk2-engines-galaxy_0+20030515-1woody1
>
> trying to overwrite
> '/usr/share/icons/scalable/devices/gnome-dev-cdrom-audio.svg', which is
> also in package gnome-themes-extras
>

That's an error in the package I will correct. Thanks for picking it
up.

Jamie

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[James Strandboge]

On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 19:39, A. Loonstra wrote:

> James Strandboge wrote:
>

> > On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 15:29, A. Loonstra wrote:
> >

> >>Hi,
> >>
> >>I've recently installed woody on a test system. I added the Gnome 2.2
> >>backport and the Xfree 4.2 backport. I added the following to sources.list
> >>
> >># XFree 4.2
> >>deb [url]http://www.fs.tum.de/~bunk/debian[/url] woody/bunk-1 main contrib non-free
> >>deb-src [url]http://www.fs.tum.de/~bunk/debian[/url] woody/bunk-1 main contrib non-free
> >># Gnome 2.2
> >>deb
> >>[url]ftp://ftp.acc.umu.se/mirror/mirrors.evilgeniuses.org.uk/debian/backports/woo[/url]
> >>dy gnome2.2/
> >>deb-src
> >>[url]ftp://ftp.acc.umu.se/mirror/mirrors.evilgeniuses.org.uk/debian/backports[/url]
> >>/woody gnome2.2/
> >>
> >>Installation went fine but I ran into som problems when aptitude
> >>suddenly wanted to remove a lot of packages. I managed to fix that but
> >>aptitude didn't automaticly fix broken dependencies and I had to do that
> >>by hand.

> >
> >
> > You no longer need Adrian's xfree86 4.2.1 packages as I supply them with
> > the backport. His packages are very good, and xfree86 4.2.1 are just
> > his sources recompiled on standard woody. There are a couple of small
> > patches in mine that work better with gnome2.2 at this moment as well,
> > but he may be adding those soon. If you take Adrian's lines out and
> > just use the gnome2.2 lines, you get everything you need for gnome2.2
> > and xfree86. Let me know of any conflicts in my packages.

> [snip]
>
> Well I reinstalled to machine for some more testing. I now only use your
> backport (gnome2.2) When I do apt-get install gnome gdm I get unmet
> dependencies: gnome Depends: gnucash but it is not going to be installed
> E: Sorry broken packages.
>
> Strange...
>
> When I go into aptitude and try to install 'gnome' I have 2 broken packages:
>
> libgal-data which is missing libgal23
> gnucash which is also missing libgal23
>
> Strange thing is is that I can't find the package, only the old original
> one.

This got deleted from the archive. I will upload it, but it won't be
there until after 1:00am EST tomorrow.

Jamie

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