filters

[Gretchen Steinbecker]

Does anyone know how to get a "stainless steel" look using filters, styles, etc..?

[dave milbut]

google "steel tutorial photoshop"

first result of about 4000:

<http://www.stickysauce.com/tutorials/photoshop/steel.htm>

[fi]

Hey, Im new to photography. The last yr just learning through trial and
error to take clear, nice shots.
I feel good enough now to start experimenting with filters.
Can you put more than one filter on at a time?

Thanks for your help

Fiona

[Warner Crump]

Short answer. Yes, you can. The long answer requires you to think about the
filters you want to use, and the desired effect. I always have a UV filter
on my lens no matter what. They only cost about 10 bucks online and protect
you lens from scratches and finger prints and dust and etc. Much cheaper
then replacing lens glass. Then I just screw on the next filter that I want
to use. i.e. polarizing. Just be careful on how many you put on. Any more
that 2 or 3 might give you a shadow ring on your picture. Which can be a
cool effect if you want to use it some how, but also can be a real bugger if
you didnt plan on having it there. ;o)
"fi" <fm30@pacific.net.au> wrote in message
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> Hey, Im new to photography. The last yr just learning through trial and
> error to take clear, nice shots.
> I feel good enough now to start experimenting with filters.
> Can you put more than one filter on at a time?
>
> Thanks for your help
>
> Fiona
>
>

[Slingblade]

On Sun, 7 Sep 2003 16:21:37 +1000, "fi" <fm30@pacific.net.au> wrote:

>Hey, Im new to photography. The last yr just learning through trial and
>error to take clear, nice shots.
>I feel good enough now to start experimenting with filters.
>Can you put more than one filter on at a time?
>Thanks for your help
>Fiona

In many cases you can. Most filters have threads in the front that
allow another filter to be screwed ontop of it. Some slimline filters
don't have the front threads.

In some cases, though, you may not want to do this, because the
additional filters may cause vignetting. This happens primarily on
wide angle prime lenses or zooms with wide angle capability...however,
it can happen on other focal lengths as well, just depends on the
particular lens.

There are some combination filters made, such as Skylight/Polarizer or
Warming/Polarizer, which combine two filters into one.

[John Garrison]

"Slingblade" <bladeREMOVEslinger@earthREMOVElink.net> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 7 Sep 2003 16:21:37 +1000, "fi" <fm30@pacific.net.au> wrote:
>

> >Hey, Im new to photography. The last yr just learning through trial and
> >error to take clear, nice shots.
> >I feel good enough now to start experimenting with filters.
> >Can you put more than one filter on at a time?
> >Thanks for your help
> >Fiona

>
> In many cases you can. Most filters have threads in the front that
> allow another filter to be screwed ontop of it. Some slimline filters
> don't have the front threads.
>
> In some cases, though, you may not want to do this, because the
> additional filters may cause vignetting. This happens primarily on
> wide angle prime lenses or zooms with wide angle capability...however,
> it can happen on other focal lengths as well, just depends on the
> particular lens.
>
> There are some combination filters made, such as Skylight/Polarizer or
> Warming/Polarizer, which combine two filters into one.

The filter factors have to be considered as well, as they are additive. The
more you use the less light entering the lens, and the greater exposure
needed. Cameras with through the lens metering should alert you to an
appropriate setting, but some head scatching and calulating is in order when
using a hand held light meter.


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[Jeremy]

x-no-archive: yes
"John Garrison"

> > >Hey, Im new to photography. The last yr just learning through trial and
> > >error to take clear, nice shots.
> > >I feel good enough now to start experimenting with filters.
> > >Can you put more than one filter on at a time?

I'd be interested to know what specific combinations of filters he has in
mind . . .

He says that he is going to "start experimenting" with filters, and that he
has just learned, through trial and error, to take "nice clear shots."

I get the feeling that the term "filter factor" probably doesn't mean a
thing to him, at his current level of expertise.

[John Garrison]

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> x-no-archive: yes
> "John Garrison"

> > > >Hey, Im new to photography. The last yr just learning through trial

and

> > > >error to take clear, nice shots.
> > > >I feel good enough now to start experimenting with filters.
> > > >Can you put more than one filter on at a time?

>
> I'd be interested to know what specific combinations of filters he has in
> mind . . .
>
> He says that he is going to "start experimenting" with filters, and that

he

> has just learned, through trial and error, to take "nice clear shots."
>
> I get the feeling that the term "filter factor" probably doesn't mean a
> thing to him, at his current level of expertise.
>
>

Well perhaps, but would not the rest of my post let him infer that filter
factor refers to the reduction of light transmission? It would though be
prudent to say that filter factors are measured in stops. A 2x factor needs
2 stops additional exposure, unless my math is as usual faulty.


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[David]

To answer your questions (hopefully)

1) yes, you can put filters over filters. However, as others have pointed
out, you have to be wary of vignetting. In other words, if you put too many
filters on, vignetting is when the filters starting cutting off the image at
the corners.

2) some filters reduce the amount of light entering the lens. However, you
most likely have a camera with thru the lens metering, so the camera meter
will adjust for the filters

3) with a polarizing filter, if you have a newer camera, you probably need a
circular polarizer. If your camera is older, you might get by with a regular
polarizer (but are regular polarizers available any more?)

Now, sort of a soap box speech......

Realize that I come from a photojournalism background. Thus, I sort of
follow a minimalist approach to "gadgets" including filters. Other people
will have different opinions.

Use filters sparingly. When I started out with photography, I had visions in
my mind of all the cool effects I could make with filters. Yes, they seemed
neat then, but now, when going through my stock images, I cringe when I see
all the Cokin filters I used. Personally, I think that the key to effective
filter use is to create an image with little to no clue that a filter was
used. If you want effects, scan it in and play with it with all the image
enhancement software currently available.

The filters I would recommend (if I may be so bold).....polarizer, gradiated
neutral density, regular neutral density, a red one for black and white and
black and white infrared (sorry, can't remember the number), and a SLIGHT
warming filter.

Focus your energy and creative passion on....
- observing your surroundings. Many people with cameras are impatient, thus
they take minimal amount of time to snap the shutter.
- getting up close to your subjects. favor the 35mm lens range versus the
telephoto range. the 35mm combined with getting up close to your subjects
will pull your viewers in. yes, it's difficult to be comfortable operating
so close, but learn how to do it before you learn how you can get neat
effects with filters.
- trying a bunch of different types of film. don't just stick with royal
gold, kodak max, or whatever fuji and kodak are selling at target or
walmart. try the pro films...you don't have to be one to use them. try the
high speed and low speed. try chromes. learn what type of film best brings
across what you'd like to bring across...not what a majority in this news
group say is the film to use.

This is by no means an exhaustive list, but I need to get to bed. Above all,
experiment, but don't think that a bunch of special effects filters make a
good image.

just a thought,
david




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>
> "Slingblade" <bladeREMOVEslinger@earthREMOVElink.net> wrote in message
> news:ci8slvctagh16q4vptg3l09ab3h4qce3c0@4ax.com...

> > On Sun, 7 Sep 2003 16:21:37 +1000, "fi" <fm30@pacific.net.au> wrote:
> >

> > >Hey, Im new to photography. The last yr just learning through trial and
> > >error to take clear, nice shots.
> > >I feel good enough now to start experimenting with filters.
> > >Can you put more than one filter on at a time?
> > >Thanks for your help
> > >Fiona

> >
> > In many cases you can. Most filters have threads in the front that
> > allow another filter to be screwed ontop of it. Some slimline filters
> > don't have the front threads.
> >
> > In some cases, though, you may not want to do this, because the
> > additional filters may cause vignetting. This happens primarily on
> > wide angle prime lenses or zooms with wide angle capability...however,
> > it can happen on other focal lengths as well, just depends on the
> > particular lens.
> >
> > There are some combination filters made, such as Skylight/Polarizer or
> > Warming/Polarizer, which combine two filters into one.

>
> The filter factors have to be considered as well, as they are additive.

The

> more you use the less light entering the lens, and the greater exposure
> needed. Cameras with through the lens metering should alert you to an
> appropriate setting, but some head scatching and calulating is in order

when

> using a hand held light meter.
>
>
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[Warner Crump]

Just to clear Polarizing Filters up a little. When you say old camera you
mean a camera that does not have "through the lens metering" (TTL) and when
you say new camera you mean a camera that has "through the lens metering."

No TTL = Linear Polarizer (which are still available)
TTL = Circular Polarizer

Have we thrown enough information at you? :oP

Warner
"David" <dkbowmanspamisreallyannoying@cox.net> wrote in message
news:dqw7b.39128$Go4.31240@lakeread01...

> To answer your questions (hopefully)
>
> 1) yes, you can put filters over filters. However, as others have pointed
> out, you have to be wary of vignetting. In other words, if you put too

many

> filters on, vignetting is when the filters starting cutting off the image

at

> the corners.
>
> 2) some filters reduce the amount of light entering the lens. However, you
> most likely have a camera with thru the lens metering, so the camera meter
> will adjust for the filters
>
> 3) with a polarizing filter, if you have a newer camera, you probably need

a

> circular polarizer. If your camera is older, you might get by with a

regular

> polarizer (but are regular polarizers available any more?)
>
> Now, sort of a soap box speech......
>
> Realize that I come from a photojournalism background. Thus, I sort of
> follow a minimalist approach to "gadgets" including filters. Other people
> will have different opinions.
>
> Use filters sparingly. When I started out with photography, I had visions

in

> my mind of all the cool effects I could make with filters. Yes, they

seemed

> neat then, but now, when going through my stock images, I cringe when I

see

> all the Cokin filters I used. Personally, I think that the key to

effective

> filter use is to create an image with little to no clue that a filter was
> used. If you want effects, scan it in and play with it with all the image
> enhancement software currently available.
>
> The filters I would recommend (if I may be so bold).....polarizer,

gradiated

> neutral density, regular neutral density, a red one for black and white

and

> black and white infrared (sorry, can't remember the number), and a SLIGHT
> warming filter.
>
> Focus your energy and creative passion on....
> - observing your surroundings. Many people with cameras are impatient,

thus

> they take minimal amount of time to snap the shutter.
> - getting up close to your subjects. favor the 35mm lens range versus the
> telephoto range. the 35mm combined with getting up close to your subjects
> will pull your viewers in. yes, it's difficult to be comfortable operating
> so close, but learn how to do it before you learn how you can get neat
> effects with filters.
> - trying a bunch of different types of film. don't just stick with royal
> gold, kodak max, or whatever fuji and kodak are selling at target or
> walmart. try the pro films...you don't have to be one to use them. try the
> high speed and low speed. try chromes. learn what type of film best brings
> across what you'd like to bring across...not what a majority in this news
> group say is the film to use.
>
> This is by no means an exhaustive list, but I need to get to bed. Above

all,

> experiment, but don't think that a bunch of special effects filters make a
> good image.
>
> just a thought,
> david
>
>
>
>
> "John Garrison" <jonnycando@youmustremovethis.cox.net> wrote in message
> news:3Gr7b.40875$Nc.9749171@news1.news.adelphia.ne t...

> >
> > "Slingblade" <bladeREMOVEslinger@earthREMOVElink.net> wrote in message
> > news:ci8slvctagh16q4vptg3l09ab3h4qce3c0@4ax.com...

> > > On Sun, 7 Sep 2003 16:21:37 +1000, "fi" <fm30@pacific.net.au> wrote:
> > >
> > > >Hey, Im new to photography. The last yr just learning through trial

and

> > > >error to take clear, nice shots.
> > > >I feel good enough now to start experimenting with filters.
> > > >Can you put more than one filter on at a time?
> > > >Thanks for your help
> > > >Fiona
> > >
> > > In many cases you can. Most filters have threads in the front that
> > > allow another filter to be screwed ontop of it. Some slimline filters
> > > don't have the front threads.
> > >
> > > In some cases, though, you may not want to do this, because the
> > > additional filters may cause vignetting. This happens primarily on
> > > wide angle prime lenses or zooms with wide angle capability...however,
> > > it can happen on other focal lengths as well, just depends on the
> > > particular lens.
> > >
> > > There are some combination filters made, such as Skylight/Polarizer or
> > > Warming/Polarizer, which combine two filters into one.

> >
> > The filter factors have to be considered as well, as they are additive.

> The

> > more you use the less light entering the lens, and the greater exposure
> > needed. Cameras with through the lens metering should alert you to an
> > appropriate setting, but some head scatching and calulating is in order

> when

> > using a hand held light meter.
> >
> >
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> >

>
>

[David]

Not correct. A Canon AE-1 can take a regular polarizer, yet it has through
the lens metering. The Canon F-1N (still an older camera) needs the
circular. Many, if not all, of the autofocus cameras today need the
circular.

David
"Warner Crump" <warner_crump@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Just to clear Polarizing Filters up a little. When you say old camera you
> mean a camera that does not have "through the lens metering" (TTL) and

when

> you say new camera you mean a camera that has "through the lens metering."
>
> No TTL = Linear Polarizer (which are still available)
> TTL = Circular Polarizer
>
> Have we thrown enough information at you? :oP
>
> Warner
> "David" <dkbowmanspamisreallyannoying@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:dqw7b.39128$Go4.31240@lakeread01...

> > To answer your questions (hopefully)
> >
> > 1) yes, you can put filters over filters. However, as others have

pointed

> > out, you have to be wary of vignetting. In other words, if you put too

> many

> > filters on, vignetting is when the filters starting cutting off the

image

> at

> > the corners.
> >
> > 2) some filters reduce the amount of light entering the lens. However,

you

> > most likely have a camera with thru the lens metering, so the camera

meter

> > will adjust for the filters
> >
> > 3) with a polarizing filter, if you have a newer camera, you probably

need

> a

> > circular polarizer. If your camera is older, you might get by with a

> regular

> > polarizer (but are regular polarizers available any more?)
> >
> > Now, sort of a soap box speech......
> >
> > Realize that I come from a photojournalism background. Thus, I sort of
> > follow a minimalist approach to "gadgets" including filters. Other

people

> > will have different opinions.
> >
> > Use filters sparingly. When I started out with photography, I had

visions

> in

> > my mind of all the cool effects I could make with filters. Yes, they

> seemed

> > neat then, but now, when going through my stock images, I cringe when I

> see

> > all the Cokin filters I used. Personally, I think that the key to

> effective

> > filter use is to create an image with little to no clue that a filter

was

> > used. If you want effects, scan it in and play with it with all the

image

> > enhancement software currently available.
> >
> > The filters I would recommend (if I may be so bold).....polarizer,

> gradiated

> > neutral density, regular neutral density, a red one for black and white

> and

> > black and white infrared (sorry, can't remember the number), and a

SLIGHT

> > warming filter.
> >
> > Focus your energy and creative passion on....
> > - observing your surroundings. Many people with cameras are impatient,

> thus

> > they take minimal amount of time to snap the shutter.
> > - getting up close to your subjects. favor the 35mm lens range versus

the

> > telephoto range. the 35mm combined with getting up close to your

subjects

> > will pull your viewers in. yes, it's difficult to be comfortable

operating

> > so close, but learn how to do it before you learn how you can get neat
> > effects with filters.
> > - trying a bunch of different types of film. don't just stick with royal
> > gold, kodak max, or whatever fuji and kodak are selling at target or
> > walmart. try the pro films...you don't have to be one to use them. try

the

> > high speed and low speed. try chromes. learn what type of film best

brings

> > across what you'd like to bring across...not what a majority in this

news

> > group say is the film to use.
> >
> > This is by no means an exhaustive list, but I need to get to bed. Above

> all,

> > experiment, but don't think that a bunch of special effects filters make

a

> > good image.
> >
> > just a thought,
> > david
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "John Garrison" <jonnycando@youmustremovethis.cox.net> wrote in message
> > news:3Gr7b.40875$Nc.9749171@news1.news.adelphia.ne t...

> > >
> > > "Slingblade" <bladeREMOVEslinger@earthREMOVElink.net> wrote in message
> > > news:ci8slvctagh16q4vptg3l09ab3h4qce3c0@4ax.com...
> > > > On Sun, 7 Sep 2003 16:21:37 +1000, "fi" <fm30@pacific.net.au> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >Hey, Im new to photography. The last yr just learning through trial

> and

> > > > >error to take clear, nice shots.
> > > > >I feel good enough now to start experimenting with filters.
> > > > >Can you put more than one filter on at a time?
> > > > >Thanks for your help
> > > > >Fiona
> > > >
> > > > In many cases you can. Most filters have threads in the front that
> > > > allow another filter to be screwed ontop of it. Some slimline

filters

> > > > don't have the front threads.
> > > >
> > > > In some cases, though, you may not want to do this, because the
> > > > additional filters may cause vignetting. This happens primarily on
> > > > wide angle prime lenses or zooms with wide angle

capability...however,

> > > > it can happen on other focal lengths as well, just depends on the
> > > > particular lens.
> > > >
> > > > There are some combination filters made, such as Skylight/Polarizer

or

> > > > Warming/Polarizer, which combine two filters into one.
> > >
> > > The filter factors have to be considered as well, as they are

additive.

> > The

> > > more you use the less light entering the lens, and the greater

exposure

> > > needed. Cameras with through the lens metering should alert you to an
> > > appropriate setting, but some head scatching and calulating is in

order

> > when

> > > using a hand held light meter.
> > >
> > >
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> >
> >

>
>