Firefox problem

[poohs friend]

I work for a small business and use Contribute 3 to update our website. I just
tested some website changes with Firefox as well as IE. Eveything looks fine
with IE, but new alt text messages on images that I added or changed are not
displayed with Firefox. Also, Firefox mixes up alt text messages, so if msg A
is supposed to go with pic A and msg B with pic B, it puts A with B etc.

Has anyone had this problem and how can I fix it?

Thanks for your help!

[Rhenan]

I've not experienced this myself, but the FireFox not showing alt images does
ring a bell outside of my Contribute use. I'm having trouble recalling the
details, but I believe it was a setting either in FireFox itself, or an
extension that comes with FireFox.

One thing I would recommend is using the FF extension "Web Developer" by Chris
Pederick ([url]https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/60/[/url]). If you're not already using
this, it's worth getting. The extension allows you manipulate all kinds of
things in a page you're looking at, such as disabling styles (to see how older
browser render your page) and JavaScript (to locate errors for locked-down
browsers in security conscious organizations).

Another feature is to display all Alt attributes used by images on your page.
It might be useful for you to try this feature to see if FireFox itself is not
getting the right information, or whether something else is causing the
problem. Within the "Images" tab of Web Developer is "Display Alt Attributes",
but also there is "Replace Images with Alt Attributes", which again can be used
for a) checking Alt images appear, and b) how they effect the rendering of a
page where the browser is set to block images.

I wish I could explain the transposing of the Alt attributes from one graphics
to another, but I?ve never heard of this happening before. Hopefully Web
Developer can help you track it down, though.

[djinn]

poohs friend wrote:

> I work for a small business and use Contribute 3 to update our website. I just
> tested some website changes with Firefox as well as IE. Eveything looks fine
> with IE, but new alt text messages on images that I added or changed are not
> displayed with Firefox. Also, Firefox mixes up alt text messages, so if msg A
> is supposed to go with pic A and msg B with pic B, it puts A with B etc.
>
> Has anyone had this problem and how can I fix it?
>
> Thanks for your help!
>

Hi,

FF does not display the alt attribute as tooltips ala IE, - FF does
display title attributes as does IE - perhaps this is what you are
referring to.


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chin chin
Sinclair

[poohs friend]

This was very helpful. I got the Web Developer you suggested. Both "display
alt attributes" and "replace images with alt attributes" show that Firefox has
the correct alt text for all the images. But as I said, the alt tags are not
displayed in FF. Do you have any ideas about where the problem might be?

Thanks for your help!

[Rhenan]

Well, this is very strange. i believe our spamming friend "Newsgroup User" is
right, that FireFox doesn't show alt attributes in the same yellow tool-tip
style as Internet Explorer does. I even tested my current site, written in
FrontPage (*spits*) and didn't see the Alt attributes when resting my mouse
over a graphic I know to have this attribute.

However, I did a quick google search and found two things:

1) some sites will appear to show alt attributes when viewed in FireFox, but
it appears this is a fancy bit of JavaScript that basically copies the "alt"
attribute to the "title" attribute, which FireFox does read. (see:
[url]http://www.vbseo.com/f3/alt-text-not-showing-title-tags-added-1350/[/url])

and
2) apparently there is another FireFox extension called "Popup ALT Attribute"
that forces these to show as tool-tips, though if I can ever figure out why
some sites do and mine don't, I'll have no need for this extension. Naturally
you can't expect visitors to your site that use FireFox to have this extension
installed, so it's really only useful for your own testing and browsing. (found
in the same article)

I make use of alt tags for more than just describing the image they are
attached to; often giving instruction, such as "click here to edit" or some
such. I'll have to employee a better method, such as the "title" tag, in future
to safe guard against FireFox users not being able to view alt attributes.

Hope this helps.

[q]Originally posted by: poohs friend
This was very helpful. I got the Web Developer you suggested. Both "display
alt attributes" and "replace images with alt attributes" show that Firefox has
the correct alt text for all the images. But as I said, the alt tags are not
displayed in FF. Do you have any ideas about where the problem might be?

Thanks for your help![/q]

[djinn]

Rhenan wrote:

> Well, this is very strange. i believe our spamming friend "Newsgroup User"

I'm not sure if that 'spamming' comment is directed at me - if so why?

'Newsgroup Users' - by that do you mean nntp users? - that's the way
these forums are intended to be used, by newsreaders, in fact users of
the webforums who do not use the intended tool to read their newsgroups
often slow things up for the majority of serious users of Macromedia
newsgroups.

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chin chin
Sinclair

[poohs friend]

What's weird is that some of the alt tags are displayed with FF and some are
not. And as I said before, in some cases the wrong tag is displayed - one that
belongs to a different pic.

Thanks again for your help.

[BW]

poohs friend wrote:

>What's weird is that some of the alt tags are displayed with FF and some are
>not. And as I said before, in some cases the wrong tag is displayed -
>one that
>belongs to a different pic.

Why haven't you pointed us at a page exhibiting the problem, so that
more accurate diagnosis is possible?
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BW

[poohs friend]

Please stop repeatedly submitting the same reply.

[poohs friend]

I've described the problem. Would you be able to see something that I can't see?

[BW]

poohs friend wrote:

>I've described the problem. Would you be able to see something that I
>can't see?

I'd say there is an excellent chance that almost anyone on here can spot
more than someone who doesn't even know how to reply to newsgroup
postings properly.
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BW

[Rhenan]

Hi chin chin,

If you take a look at this apge, you'll see our problem :)

[url]http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/webforums/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=290&threadid=[/url]
1180487&enterthread=y

Of the 57 (at the time of writing) posts, about 50 are repeats of posts you
already made. I'm pretty sure Newsgroups (which I use extensively too) are not
designed to do this :) I wasn't trying to attack you or newgroup users in
general.. just pointing out that you had the answer for the OP.

btw.. do check out that web page.. you'll prolly be quite suprised.


[q]Originally posted by: Newsgroup User
Rhenan wrote:

> Well, this is very strange. i believe our spamming friend "Newsgroup User"

I'm not sure if that 'spamming' comment is directed at me - if so why?

'Newsgroup Users' - by that do you mean nntp users? - that's the way
these forums are intended to be used, by newsreaders, in fact users of
the webforums who do not use the intended tool to read their newsgroups
often slow things up for the majority of serious users of Macromedia
newsgroups.

--
chin chin
Sinclair
[/q]

[Rhenan]

Hi chin chin,

If you take a look at this apge, you'll see our problem :)

[url]http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/webforums/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=290&threadid=[/url]
1180487&enterthread=y

Of the 57 (at the time of writing) posts, about 50 are repeats of posts you
already made. I'm pretty sure Newsgroups (which I use extensively too) are not
designed to do this :) I wasn't trying to attack you or newgroup users in
general.. just pointing out that you had the answer for the OP.

btw.. do check out that web page.. you'll prolly be quite suprised.


[q]Originally posted by: Newsgroup User
Rhenan wrote:

> Well, this is very strange. i believe our spamming friend "Newsgroup User"

I'm not sure if that 'spamming' comment is directed at me - if so why?

'Newsgroup Users' - by that do you mean nntp users? - that's the way
these forums are intended to be used, by newsreaders, in fact users of
the webforums who do not use the intended tool to read their newsgroups
often slow things up for the majority of serious users of Macromedia
newsgroups.

--
chin chin
Sinclair
[/q]

[Rhenan]

Hi chin chin,

If you take a look at this apge, you'll see our problem :)

[url]http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/webforums/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=290&threadid=[/url]
1180487&enterthread=y

Of the 57 (at the time of writing) posts, about 50 are repeats of posts you
already made. I'm pretty sure Newsgroups (which I use extensively too) are not
designed to do this :) I wasn't trying to attack you or newgroup users in
general.. just pointing out that you had the answer for the OP.

btw.. do check out that web page.. you'll prolly be quite suprised.


[q]Originally posted by: Newsgroup User
Rhenan wrote:

> Well, this is very strange. i believe our spamming friend "Newsgroup User"

I'm not sure if that 'spamming' comment is directed at me - if so why?

'Newsgroup Users' - by that do you mean nntp users? - that's the way
these forums are intended to be used, by newsreaders, in fact users of
the webforums who do not use the intended tool to read their newsgroups
often slow things up for the majority of serious users of Macromedia
newsgroups.

--
chin chin
Sinclair
[/q]

[djinn]

Rhenan wrote:

> Hi chin chin,
>
> If you take a look at this apge, you'll see our problem :)
>
> [url]http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/webforums/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=290&threadid=[/url]
> 1180487&enterthread=y

Oh wow - I see - I'm sorry - I now realise why there is a campaign on to
remove the webforums and make it nntp only where this problem doesn't
exist - try this thread in your newsreader of choice - no duplicates at
all - and all much quicker.

> Of the 57 (at the time of writing) posts, about 50 are repeats of posts you
> already made. I'm pretty sure Newsgroups (which I use extensively too) are not
> designed to do this :) I wasn't trying to attack you or newgroup users in
> general.. just pointing out that you had the answer for the OP.

Yep thet never should have allowed webforums - that is where the problem
lies not in the nntp side of things - again I urge you to try it - fire
up this in your choice of newsreader - thunderbird or OE will do........

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chin chin
Sinclair

[djinn]

Try it the way it should be done in your choice of newsreader..........

forums.macromedia.com

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chin chin
Sinclair

[Rhenan]

I doubt that Adobe will remove these web based forums, as this is pretty much
the only non-fee-based support they offer, and if they did they would harm
their own market and potential for revenue.

Especially, as with me, many people won't realise that these forums are
available via nttp. I use newsgroups quite a lot, but my first thought was to
google "contribute forum" and this is where I ended up.

I'll certainly try out these forums via nttp as I do agree they are very slow
in my browser, though now I'm concerned that I'll repeat posts as I believe
that nntp was the cause of the repeats here, and I'd rather not accidently mess
up posts for web-based users.

btw.. I just figured out "chin chin" isn't your name hehe sorry about that.

[Rhenan]

btw.. is there any way you can spot the repeating posts? Is your client
continually posting beind the scenes somewhere? Right now this is an
advertizement for NOT making these forums nntp only.. quite the opposite.

[djinn]

Rhenan wrote:

> btw.. is there any way you can spot the repeating posts? Is your client
> continually posting beind the scenes somewhere? Right now this is an
> advertizement for NOT making these forums nntp only.. quite the opposite.
>

Hehe - I'll answer this one only in case http/webform users are seeing
multiples still ;-)

Re your comments - if you turn the tables - you'd be saying exactly the
same about http/webforum users ;-)

Point in case and this has always been an issue - time lag.

Webforum user asks a question at 9pm
nntp user answers the question at 9.01pm
Webforum user (because of the time lapse he encounters) posts again at
9.25pm to say never mind - I figured it out. (he probably doesn't see
the 9.01pm answer until 10pm or so.

Come on over to the bright side - nntp in real time - it's the biz ;-)

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chin chin
Sinclair

[djinn]

djinn wrote:

btw - posted the previous answer at 6.45pm and read it in the same
minute 6.45pm GMT ;-)

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chin chin
Sinclair