Floppy nonsense - Mac Applications & Software

[Gregory Weston]

In article <anon-D65178.11432224062003nnrp06.earthlink.net>,
RubyTuesday <anonmungedaddress.com> wrote:

> In article <20030623190636.23689.00001330mb-m27.aol.com>,
> [email]jwolf6589aol.comn[/email]ospam (JWolf6589) wrote:
>

> > << This is not a general truth. My wife worked for the software development
> > arm of one of the largest (and most broadly adopted) educational
> > publishers in the world. They did a great deal of research on the
> > capabilities and needs of their market. Schools, in fact, aren't
> > typically interested in or concerned about floppies. Now consider that
> > schools are traditionally on the trailing edge of technology adoption
> > and upgrade cycles.
> >
> > G >>
> >
> >
> > I question their research.

>
> I question yours. Please give more than
>
> 'One college I used to attend in the bay Area (no names). . .'
>
> and
>
> 'Another college I am involved with in some way. . .'
>
> so your so-called evidence can be verified.
>
> Ruby

Don't bother. He knows what he's saying is wrong (because he's been told
and presented with the evidence repeatedly over time) but can't accept
that his demand isn't mainstream.

You'll notice that aside from the simple fact of suggesting that his own
anecdotal data is better than research conducted by a large
organization, he _never_ (go ahead and search google) actually provides
any data to support any of the claims he makes.

G

[JWolf6589]

<< Schools I went to disabled floppy drives on their PCs. Doents were
stored on the network. It was a licensing issue. >>

I'd never store my private doents on a network. Think...

You cannot easily disable a floppy disk drive on a PC with software. If you
do, I can always boot into DOS and use it. But hence, if you have Windows
2000/XP that makes it all the more difficult for me to access DOS. You cant
even boot into DOS in the least!

[JWolf6589]

<< Don't bother. He knows what he's saying is wrong (because he's been told
and presented with the evidence repeatedly over time) but can't accept
that his demand isn't mainstream.

You'll notice that aside from the simple fact of suggesting that his own
anecdotal data is better than research conducted by a large
organization, he _never_ (go ahead and search google) actually provides
any data to support any of the claims he makes.

G >>

I'm glad to see that the floppy disk issue is bothering you so much. Until I
see MOST new PC's shipping without floppy disk drives, I'll stay committed.

[Mike Rosenberg]

JWolf6589 <jwolf6589aol.comnospam> wrote:

> I know the cost is lower. But remember that some new Sony desktops
> include a floppy, CD/DVD-R, Compact flash, and a sony memory stick drive
> all built in.

Yeah, so?

--
Mike Rosenberg

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[Steven Fisher]

JWolf6589 wrote:

> You cannot easily disable a floppy disk drive on a PC with software. If you
> do, I can always boot into DOS and use it. But hence, if you have Windows
> 2000/XP that makes it all the more difficult for me to access DOS. You cant
> even boot into DOS in the least!

They set the BIOS to always boot from the hard disc and password
protected it. All of this is trivial, and can be done on any PC.

[George Williams]

JWolf6589 wrote:

> I'm glad to see that the floppy disk issue is bothering you so much. Until I
> see MOST new PC's shipping without floppy disk drives, I'll stay committed.

I quit using floppies (and put all my superdrives into storage)
when USB flash drives became so inexpensive. They work cross-
platform and they're only $50 or so for 128 MB. At some point
even the windopes are gonna recognise this, too. But they're
always 3 or 4 years behind the curve.

[Tacit]

>I quit using floppies (and put all my superdrives into storage)

>when USB flash drives became so inexpensive. They work cross-
>platform and they're only $50 or so for 128 MB.

Yep, I have a 128MB USB flash drive in my pocket as I type this. It cost me $30
plus tax, and I use it to shuttle files around between my PCs and my Macs at
home and in the office. I stopped carrying Zip disks around with me when I got
it.

I bought a B&W G3 when they first came out, and told myself I'd get a USB
floppy for it as soon as a situation came up where I needed one. Here we are,
years later, and I still don't have a floppy drive for it. :)

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[Soorod]

<< I know the cost is lower. But remember that some new Sony desktops include
a floppy, CD/DVD-R, Compact flash, and a sony memory stick drive all built in.

>>

Um, pardon me for asking, but what in the world does this have to do with what
Mac buyers want?

Today is my first day in the Mac newsgroups. I've only read a couple hundred
posts so far, but I have to say that you are by far and away the most
nonsensical person I've come across. Not a single post of yours makes any
logical sense, and I haven't seen anyone else who even comes close to you. I
mean, I've sometimes read the UFO newsgroups just for amusement, and those
folks make more sense than you do.

I have one question for you, though. Does your family own a floppy disk drive
plant? That's the only thing I can think of that would come even close to
explaining your insane ideas.

- Sue Rodgers

[JWolf6589]

<< Um, pardon me for asking, but what in the world does this have to do with
what
Mac buyers want? >>


Minority view points are always treated as such. My viewpoints are a minority,
but does this make every minority viewpoint wrong?

This is called "group think". Anyone who thinks outside of the group think, is
a minority viewpoint.

[sbt]

In article <20030625170425.07670.00001484mb-m07.aol.com>, JWolf6589
<jwolf6589aol.comnospam> wrote:

> << Um, pardon me for asking, but what in the world does this have to do with
> what Mac buyers want? >>
>
>
> Minority view points are always treated as such. My viewpoints are a
> minority, but does this make every minority viewpoint wrong?
>
> This is called "group think". Anyone who thinks outside of the group think,
> is a minority viewpoint.

Your viewpoints being a minority are not what people are griping about
JWolf.

If Apple had somehow made the machines incapable of supporting an
affordable floppy drive option, you would have a foundation for your
argument. But, to suggest that every Mac be equipped to include a
peripheral that only a small (and shrinking) minority needs, that takes
up appreciable space within the case, and increments the cost
noticeably for the majority who do not want it is illogical, or
incredibly self-centered.

There is a low-cost option for those who want a floppy -- USB floppies.
I bought a TriMedia reader a couple years ago, thinking that I would
find the floppy drive useful. Other than trying it out when I first got
it to make sure it worked, I haven't used the floppy drive (but the
memory card reader functionality is handy). In fact, I would be almost
tempted to suggest that a media-reader port (Compact Flash, MMC/SD,
SmartMedia, and Memory Stick) would be at least as useful in this day
and age -- but it still isn't something that should be standard
equipment!

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[Marc Heusser]

In article <3EF9E336.C1BB7AD0mac.com>,
George Williams <nyar1ath0tepmac.com> wrote:

> JWolf6589 wrote:
>

> > I'm glad to see that the floppy disk issue is bothering you so much. Until
> > I
> > see MOST new PC's shipping without floppy disk drives, I'll stay committed.

>
> I quit using floppies (and put all my superdrives into storage)
> when USB flash drives became so inexpensive. They work cross-
> platform and they're only $50 or so for 128 MB. At some point
> even the windopes are gonna recognise this, too. But they're
> always 3 or 4 years behind the curve.

Unless the PC is on Windows NT :-(
No USB ...

Marc

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[Soorod]

<< Minority view points are always treated as such. My viewpoints are a
minority, but does this make every minority viewpoint wrong?

This is called "group think". Anyone who thinks outside of the group think, is
a minority viewpoint. >>

See, there you go again! Your response makes absolutely no sense. It's as if
you say whatever comes to mind whether or not it has anything to do with the
post you're replying to. Here, I started by asking you what does what Sony
sell have to do with what Mac users want? How does talking about minority
viewpoints answer my question? It doesn't.

Since my earlier post, I did a little Google searching to catch up on your
history here. In only about 20 minutes, I found at least a dozen times you
were asked why you think Mac users should have to pay for something most of
them don't want. You have NEVER, from what I've seen, come even close to
responding to that directly.

Yes, you're in the minority, being a Mac owner who uses floppy disks. What of
it? You're perfectly free to keep using them, and no one can stop you. What I
want to know is why you want the majority to have drives that'll just go unused
for them.

Oh well, from everything I've seen you're only going to say nonsensical drivel
in response to this, so I'm back to the UFO newsgroups where people make more
sense.

- Su Rodgers

[Mike Rosenberg]

Tacit <tacitraol.com> wrote:

> I bought a B&W G3 when they first came out, and told myself I'd get a USB
> floppy for it as soon as a situation came up where I needed one. Here we
> are, years later, and I still don't have a floppy drive for it. :)

Then there are the half dozen or so clients of mine who, when they
bought their first iMac, also bought a floppy disk drive, because a
friend or relative told them they needed one. When they've had me give
them lessons, one of the questions they've asked is just what a floppy
drive is and why they "need" one. So there I am, trying to explain how
there was a time when software came on floppy disks but not anymore, and
how they can use them for backing up their files, all the while trying
to find a graceful way to tell them they would have been better off
spending money on Zip drives.
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[JWolf6589]

<< But, to suggest that every Mac be equipped to include a
peripheral that only a small (and shrinking) minority needs, that takes >>


Gee I never knew that most PC users were a minority. Do me a favor dog breath,
walk outside and take a look at the computers most people are using, heck even
ask some people what type of computer they have, most will say a PC. Most PC
desktops ship with floppy disk drives, they are not a minority.

[JWolf6589]

<< See, there you go again! Your response makes absolutely no sense. It's as
if
you say whatever comes to mind whether or not it has anything to do with the
post you're replying to. Here, I started by asking you what does what Sony
sell have to do with what Mac users want? How does talking about minority
viewpoints answer my question? It doesn't. >>


It makes no sense to people with little brain power.

[Steven Fisher]

JWolf6589 wrote:

> USB flash drives will not make floppies obsolete. They cost a lot more than a
> floppy. DVD/CD's will not make floppies obsolete. My real choice for what
> should have made floppies obsolete was the Super disk drive, or Zip drive.

I declare thee Ego.
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[sbt]

In article <20030626205636.21121.00000976mb-m20.aol.com>, JWolf6589
<jwolf6589aol.comnospam> wrote:

> << But, to suggest that every Mac be equipped to include a
> peripheral that only a small (and shrinking) minority needs, that takes >>
>
>
> Gee I never knew that most PC users were a minority. Do me a favor dog
> breath,
> walk outside and take a look at the computers most people are using, heck even
> ask some people what type of computer they have, most will say a PC. Most PC
> desktops ship with floppy disk drives, they are not a minority.

I've talked to my Windows-using friends and, virtually without
exception, they say that they almost never use a floppy. Hell, I
haven't used the floppy drive in either of my Wintel boxes in about a
year. Some haven't used one in a couple of years -- they use Zips,
CD-Rs, and USB flash devices.

You are making a tremendous logical leap in assuming just because
someone has a floppy drive that they use or need it. Note that in what
you quoted, I never said or implied that it was something a minority
has, I wrote that only a minority needs them and that minority was
getting smaller all the time.

--
Spenser

[moon]

George Williams wrote:

> JWolf6589 wrote:
>
>

>>I'm glad to see that the floppy disk issue is bothering you so much. Until I
>>see MOST new PC's shipping without floppy disk drives, I'll stay committed.

>
>
> I quit using floppies (and put all my superdrives into storage)
> when USB flash drives became so inexpensive. They work cross-
> platform and they're only $50 or so for 128 MB. At some point
> even the windopes are gonna recognise this, too. But they're
> always 3 or 4 years behind the curve.

At this (actual, not imagined) University, floppies are getting
*removed* from the Dell machines as old abused disks cause more
mechanical problems in the Dells that are littered about. The Macs are
mostly G4's- no floppies.
Somehow, by some grace, they still manage to gradimacate (™GWB).

In fact, an extremely common problem for tech services is retrieving
data from a damaged floppy that had to endure exposure to radiation from
cell phones, microwaves, wireless base stations, metal detectors,
martians, all over this place.

What we _do_ actually see is not a switch to PCs so that folks can use
floppies, but rather students submitting work, registering, researching
on line and trading files over the network. Those taking work home have
cute little 128 MB USB drives that cost less than the 80 floppies that
they replace and are 1/50th the weight and 1/100th the volume _and_ have
all the data in one place and have the actual ability to move a file
more than 1 MB. (Consider the average size of a presentation in class).

Run-on sentences aside, there are 50,000 students here and very few
floppies.
cheers.

[Sue Rodgers]

JWolf6589 <jwolf6589aol.comnospam> wrote:

> > See, there you go again! Your response makes absolutely no sense. It's
> > as if you say whatever comes to mind whether or not it has anything to
> > do with the post you're replying to. Here, I started by asking you what
> > does what Sony sell have to do with what Mac users want? How does
> > talking about minority viewpoints answer my question? It doesn't.

>
> It makes no sense to people with little brain power.

Amazing! Simply amazing! You, sir, make a fascinating case study. I'm
a graduate student in psychology, doing my doctoral dissertation on
groups with deviant reasoning. When I mentioned previously that I read
the UFO newsgroups, that was true, but I'm doing it not for my amusement
alone but to gather data. I'm also studying members of the Flat Earth
Society. You make most of those people seem rational by comparison.

Reading your post as I have for the past several days, it's clear you
have delusions of grandeur, as demonstrated by your egotistical view
that you must be right despite everyone else arguing to the contrary.
Case in point: "It makes no sense to people with little brain power."
Yes, no one at all understands what you say, yet all of them are at
fault, there can't possibly be anything wrong with you. You're making
perfect sense, and everyone else is too stupid to understand you. You've
also played the part of the persecuted minority. Everyone is out to get
you, or so you seem to believe. It can't possibly have anything to do
with what you're writing.

Put this all together and the clinical diagnosis would be paranoia.
Now, if that were all, I'd actually find you kind of dull, since we see
cases of paranoia here all the time. What makes you especially
interesting is that you appear to have several other symptoms that
aren't usually seen in these cases. First, the most consistent thing
I've observed about you is that you seem to fixate on one single
sentence or even phrase in a post, and respond to just that one aspect,
often entirely out of context to what the entire post was about. Your
previous post is an excellent example. You fixated on my one phrase
about making no sense while entirely overlooking the rest of my post.

Second, and even more interesting, paranoids ravings generally have an
internal logic to them, whereas your posts demonstrate no consistent
logic at all. I'm sure you're familiar with the usual example:

A. All Martians are green.
B. Jack is a Martian.
C. Therefore, Jack is green.

That's proper logic, whereas this is not:

A. All Martians are green.
B. Jack is green.
C. Therefore, Jack is a Martian.

Well, your sense of logic appears to be:

A. All Martians are green.
B. Jack is from Venus.
C. Therefore, Jack should be green just because the Martians are.

[Sue Rodgers]

Mike Rosenberg <mikePOSTTOGROUP.invalid> wrote:

> I don't know why I keep trying, and maybe therapy will help me rid
> myself of this odd need I have to explain things to you...

I'm probably going to wear out my welcome here quickly, if I haven't
already, but I have to say that while I've been doing my case study on
JWolf6589, you do seem to stand out as being as being obsessed with him.
At least you're aware of this, so maybe you can overcome it.

Now, if only I could overcome *MY* problem of not being able to keep my
mouth shut.