Foiling Data Thieves

[Manohar Kamath [MVP]]

I would go with #2 from Jeff. I would first start it with a letter, stating
that you have discovered such a "copying" going on. If they still continue,
you have a better case for a willful violation of copyright. Important --
send the letter by registered mail :)


--
Manohar Kamath
Editor, .netBooks
[url]www.dotnetbooks.com[/url]


"Pack Fan" <pack@fan.com> wrote in message
news:vivibdplmeuif4@corp.supernews.com...

> I have an ASP web site with a SQL 2K database back end. Its entire

database

> is republished weekly on a competitor's web site. They seem to be using a
> parsing script of some sort to copy from my pages as it makes a few
> mistakes, which has brought this practice to my attention. Of course, I

want

> to stop this.
>
> I have a few ideas for doing so:
>
> 1. Track all IPs accessing the database and block those requesting X pages
> in Y time frame, where X is big and Y is small.
> 2. Feed certain critical data as graphic images rather than as text.
> 3. After finding their IP/host name block them.
>
> Of course, all of these ideas have problems:
>
> 1. I don't want to block bots that are merely caching the site, such as

AOL.

> I don't want to block bots that are indexing the site such as Google.
> 2. Data sent as images are useless to those without sight. Also, OCR could
> be used on these images to retrieve the information.
> 3. How do I recognize them, and if I do, what's to stop them from

switching

> IPs/hostnames, etc.?
>
> So my question to you is what practical approaches have been used to

prevent

> third parties from stealing the contents of an on-line database?
>
> Thanks much,
>
> David
>
>

[Pack Fan]

Thanks for the advice.

After several weeks of trying to find someone with the authority and
knowledge to stop this copying, we finally have their word that this
practice will stop very soon. I hope this is true, as it is by far the best
solution.

We will, of course, follow up with a letter by registered mail confirming
the phone conversation.

Thanks again,

Dave

"Manohar Kamath [MVP]" <mkamath@TAKETHISOUTkamath.com> wrote in message
news:OwSy3i8WDHA.1492@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...

> I would go with #2 from Jeff. I would first start it with a letter,

stating

> that you have discovered such a "copying" going on. If they still

continue,

> you have a better case for a willful violation of copyright. Important --
> send the letter by registered mail :)
>
>
> --
> Manohar Kamath
> Editor, .netBooks
> [url]www.dotnetbooks.com[/url]
>
>
> "Pack Fan" <pack@fan.com> wrote in message
> news:vivibdplmeuif4@corp.supernews.com...

> > I have an ASP web site with a SQL 2K database back end. Its entire

> database

> > is republished weekly on a competitor's web site. They seem to be using

a

> > parsing script of some sort to copy from my pages as it makes a few
> > mistakes, which has brought this practice to my attention. Of course, I

> want

> > to stop this.
> >
> > I have a few ideas for doing so:
> >
> > 1. Track all IPs accessing the database and block those requesting X

pages

> > in Y time frame, where X is big and Y is small.
> > 2. Feed certain critical data as graphic images rather than as text.
> > 3. After finding their IP/host name block them.
> >
> > Of course, all of these ideas have problems:
> >
> > 1. I don't want to block bots that are merely caching the site, such as

> AOL.

> > I don't want to block bots that are indexing the site such as Google.
> > 2. Data sent as images are useless to those without sight. Also, OCR

could

> > be used on these images to retrieve the information.
> > 3. How do I recognize them, and if I do, what's to stop them from

> switching

> > IPs/hostnames, etc.?
> >
> > So my question to you is what practical approaches have been used to

> prevent

> > third parties from stealing the contents of an on-line database?
> >
> > Thanks much,
> >
> > David
> >
> >

>
>

[Bit My Bubbles]

where is this data? would I want a copy of it?


"Pack Fan" <pack@fan.com> wrote in message
news:vj2gonegju760c@corp.supernews.com...

> Thanks for the advice.
>
> After several weeks of trying to find someone with the authority and
> knowledge to stop this copying, we finally have their word that this
> practice will stop very soon. I hope this is true, as it is by far the

best

> solution.
>
> We will, of course, follow up with a letter by registered mail confirming
> the phone conversation.
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Dave
>
> "Manohar Kamath [MVP]" <mkamath@TAKETHISOUTkamath.com> wrote in message
> news:OwSy3i8WDHA.1492@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...

> > I would go with #2 from Jeff. I would first start it with a letter,

> stating

> > that you have discovered such a "copying" going on. If they still

> continue,

> > you have a better case for a willful violation of copyright.

Important --

> > send the letter by registered mail :)
> >
> >
> > --
> > Manohar Kamath
> > Editor, .netBooks
> > [url]www.dotnetbooks.com[/url]
> >
> >
> > "Pack Fan" <pack@fan.com> wrote in message
> > news:vivibdplmeuif4@corp.supernews.com...

> > > I have an ASP web site with a SQL 2K database back end. Its entire

> > database

> > > is republished weekly on a competitor's web site. They seem to be

using

> a

> > > parsing script of some sort to copy from my pages as it makes a few
> > > mistakes, which has brought this practice to my attention. Of course,

I

> > want

> > > to stop this.
> > >
> > > I have a few ideas for doing so:
> > >
> > > 1. Track all IPs accessing the database and block those requesting X

> pages

> > > in Y time frame, where X is big and Y is small.
> > > 2. Feed certain critical data as graphic images rather than as text.
> > > 3. After finding their IP/host name block them.
> > >
> > > Of course, all of these ideas have problems:
> > >
> > > 1. I don't want to block bots that are merely caching the site, such

as

> > AOL.

> > > I don't want to block bots that are indexing the site such as Google.
> > > 2. Data sent as images are useless to those without sight. Also, OCR

> could

> > > be used on these images to retrieve the information.
> > > 3. How do I recognize them, and if I do, what's to stop them from

> > switching

> > > IPs/hostnames, etc.?
> > >
> > > So my question to you is what practical approaches have been used to

> > prevent

> > > third parties from stealing the contents of an on-line database?
> > >
> > > Thanks much,
> > >
> > > David
> > >
> > >

> >
> >

>
>
>
>

[Pack Fan]

You might... [url]http://wcca.wicourts.gov/index.xsl[/url] maybe you could resell it or
something.

"Bit My Bubbles" <bmb@mybubbles.com> wrote in message
news:#CVNzhFXDHA.2312@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...

> where is this data? would I want a copy of it?
>
>
> "Pack Fan" <pack@fan.com> wrote in message
> news:vj2gonegju760c@corp.supernews.com...

> > Thanks for the advice.
> >
> > After several weeks of trying to find someone with the authority and
> > knowledge to stop this copying, we finally have their word that this
> > practice will stop very soon. I hope this is true, as it is by far the

> best

> > solution.
> >
> > We will, of course, follow up with a letter by registered mail

confirming

> > the phone conversation.
> >
> > Thanks again,
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > "Manohar Kamath [MVP]" <mkamath@TAKETHISOUTkamath.com> wrote in message
> > news:OwSy3i8WDHA.1492@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...

> > > I would go with #2 from Jeff. I would first start it with a letter,

> > stating

> > > that you have discovered such a "copying" going on. If they still

> > continue,

> > > you have a better case for a willful violation of copyright.

> Important --

> > > send the letter by registered mail :)
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Manohar Kamath
> > > Editor, .netBooks
> > > [url]www.dotnetbooks.com[/url]
> > >
> > >
> > > "Pack Fan" <pack@fan.com> wrote in message
> > > news:vivibdplmeuif4@corp.supernews.com...
> > > > I have an ASP web site with a SQL 2K database back end. Its entire
> > > database
> > > > is republished weekly on a competitor's web site. They seem to be

> using

> > a

> > > > parsing script of some sort to copy from my pages as it makes a few
> > > > mistakes, which has brought this practice to my attention. Of

course,

> I

> > > want
> > > > to stop this.
> > > >
> > > > I have a few ideas for doing so:
> > > >
> > > > 1. Track all IPs accessing the database and block those requesting X

> > pages

> > > > in Y time frame, where X is big and Y is small.
> > > > 2. Feed certain critical data as graphic images rather than as text.
> > > > 3. After finding their IP/host name block them.
> > > >
> > > > Of course, all of these ideas have problems:
> > > >
> > > > 1. I don't want to block bots that are merely caching the site, such

> as

> > > AOL.
> > > > I don't want to block bots that are indexing the site such as

Google.

> > > > 2. Data sent as images are useless to those without sight. Also, OCR

> > could

> > > > be used on these images to retrieve the information.
> > > > 3. How do I recognize them, and if I do, what's to stop them from
> > > switching
> > > > IPs/hostnames, etc.?
> > > >
> > > > So my question to you is what practical approaches have been used to
> > > prevent
> > > > third parties from stealing the contents of an on-line database?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks much,
> > > >
> > > > David
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >

> >
> >
> >
> >

>
>

[Bite My Bubbles]

i'll take an enlargement of the lady at the top if you have one
"Pack Fan" <pack@fan.com> wrote in message
news:vj3jpsnf60m858@corp.supernews.com...

> You might... [url]http://wcca.wicourts.gov/index.xsl[/url] maybe you could resell it

or

> something.
>
> "Bit My Bubbles" <bmb@mybubbles.com> wrote in message
> news:#CVNzhFXDHA.2312@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...

> > where is this data? would I want a copy of it?
> >
> >
> > "Pack Fan" <pack@fan.com> wrote in message
> > news:vj2gonegju760c@corp.supernews.com...

> > > Thanks for the advice.
> > >
> > > After several weeks of trying to find someone with the authority and
> > > knowledge to stop this copying, we finally have their word that this
> > > practice will stop very soon. I hope this is true, as it is by far the

> > best

> > > solution.
> > >
> > > We will, of course, follow up with a letter by registered mail

> confirming

> > > the phone conversation.
> > >
> > > Thanks again,
> > >
> > > Dave
> > >
> > > "Manohar Kamath [MVP]" <mkamath@TAKETHISOUTkamath.com> wrote in

message

> > > news:OwSy3i8WDHA.1492@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > > > I would go with #2 from Jeff. I would first start it with a letter,
> > > stating
> > > > that you have discovered such a "copying" going on. If they still
> > > continue,
> > > > you have a better case for a willful violation of copyright.

> > Important --

> > > > send the letter by registered mail :)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Manohar Kamath
> > > > Editor, .netBooks
> > > > [url]www.dotnetbooks.com[/url]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Pack Fan" <pack@fan.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:vivibdplmeuif4@corp.supernews.com...
> > > > > I have an ASP web site with a SQL 2K database back end. Its entire
> > > > database
> > > > > is republished weekly on a competitor's web site. They seem to be

> > using

> > > a
> > > > > parsing script of some sort to copy from my pages as it makes a

few

> > > > > mistakes, which has brought this practice to my attention. Of

> course,

> > I

> > > > want
> > > > > to stop this.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have a few ideas for doing so:
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. Track all IPs accessing the database and block those requesting

X

> > > pages
> > > > > in Y time frame, where X is big and Y is small.
> > > > > 2. Feed certain critical data as graphic images rather than as

text.

> > > > > 3. After finding their IP/host name block them.
> > > > >
> > > > > Of course, all of these ideas have problems:
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. I don't want to block bots that are merely caching the site,

such

> > as

> > > > AOL.
> > > > > I don't want to block bots that are indexing the site such as

> Google.

> > > > > 2. Data sent as images are useless to those without sight. Also,

OCR

> > > could
> > > > > be used on these images to retrieve the information.
> > > > > 3. How do I recognize them, and if I do, what's to stop them from
> > > > switching
> > > > > IPs/hostnames, etc.?
> > > > >
> > > > > So my question to you is what practical approaches have been used

to

> > > > prevent
> > > > > third parties from stealing the contents of an on-line database?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks much,
> > > > >
> > > > > David
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >

> >
> >

>
>

[Pack Fan]

Here ya go: [url]http://www.wicourts.gov/images/Lady_Justice_Nav_officesnew.jpg[/url]

"Bite My Bubbles" <bmb@mybubbles.com> wrote in message
news:#zQ$DzKXDHA.1580@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...

> i'll take an enlargement of the lady at the top if you have one
> "Pack Fan" <pack@fan.com> wrote in message
> news:vj3jpsnf60m858@corp.supernews.com...

> > You might... [url]http://wcca.wicourts.gov/index.xsl[/url] maybe you could resell

it

> or

> > something.
> >
> > "Bit My Bubbles" <bmb@mybubbles.com> wrote in message
> > news:#CVNzhFXDHA.2312@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...

> > > where is this data? would I want a copy of it?
> > >
> > >
> > > "Pack Fan" <pack@fan.com> wrote in message
> > > news:vj2gonegju760c@corp.supernews.com...
> > > > Thanks for the advice.
> > > >
> > > > After several weeks of trying to find someone with the authority and
> > > > knowledge to stop this copying, we finally have their word that this
> > > > practice will stop very soon. I hope this is true, as it is by far

the

> > > best
> > > > solution.
> > > >
> > > > We will, of course, follow up with a letter by registered mail

> > confirming

> > > > the phone conversation.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks again,
> > > >
> > > > Dave
> > > >
> > > > "Manohar Kamath [MVP]" <mkamath@TAKETHISOUTkamath.com> wrote in

> message

> > > > news:OwSy3i8WDHA.1492@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > > > > I would go with #2 from Jeff. I would first start it with a

letter,

> > > > stating
> > > > > that you have discovered such a "copying" going on. If they still
> > > > continue,
> > > > > you have a better case for a willful violation of copyright.
> > > Important --
> > > > > send the letter by registered mail :)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Manohar Kamath
> > > > > Editor, .netBooks
> > > > > [url]www.dotnetbooks.com[/url]
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Pack Fan" <pack@fan.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:vivibdplmeuif4@corp.supernews.com...
> > > > > > I have an ASP web site with a SQL 2K database back end. Its

entire

> > > > > database
> > > > > > is republished weekly on a competitor's web site. They seem to

be

> > > using
> > > > a
> > > > > > parsing script of some sort to copy from my pages as it makes a

> few

> > > > > > mistakes, which has brought this practice to my attention. Of

> > course,

> > > I
> > > > > want
> > > > > > to stop this.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have a few ideas for doing so:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1. Track all IPs accessing the database and block those

requesting

> X

> > > > pages
> > > > > > in Y time frame, where X is big and Y is small.
> > > > > > 2. Feed certain critical data as graphic images rather than as

> text.

> > > > > > 3. After finding their IP/host name block them.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Of course, all of these ideas have problems:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1. I don't want to block bots that are merely caching the site,

> such

> > > as
> > > > > AOL.
> > > > > > I don't want to block bots that are indexing the site such as

> > Google.

> > > > > > 2. Data sent as images are useless to those without sight. Also,

> OCR

> > > > could
> > > > > > be used on these images to retrieve the information.
> > > > > > 3. How do I recognize them, and if I do, what's to stop them

from

> > > > > switching
> > > > > > IPs/hostnames, etc.?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So my question to you is what practical approaches have been

used

> to

> > > > > prevent
> > > > > > third parties from stealing the contents of an on-line database?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks much,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > David
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >

> >
> >

>
>

[Bite My Bubbles]

MAN YOU GUYS ARE GREAT1
shame on those guys for stealing from you. They should just ask nicely
"Pack Fan" <pack@fan.com> wrote in message
news:vj4v3uht3pkaed@corp.supernews.com...

> Here ya go: [url]http://www.wicourts.gov/images/Lady_Justice_Nav_officesnew.jpg[/url]
>
> "Bite My Bubbles" <bmb@mybubbles.com> wrote in message
> news:#zQ$DzKXDHA.1580@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...

> > i'll take an enlargement of the lady at the top if you have one
> > "Pack Fan" <pack@fan.com> wrote in message
> > news:vj3jpsnf60m858@corp.supernews.com...

> > > You might... [url]http://wcca.wicourts.gov/index.xsl[/url] maybe you could resell

> it

> > or

> > > something.
> > >
> > > "Bit My Bubbles" <bmb@mybubbles.com> wrote in message
> > > news:#CVNzhFXDHA.2312@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > > > where is this data? would I want a copy of it?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Pack Fan" <pack@fan.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:vj2gonegju760c@corp.supernews.com...
> > > > > Thanks for the advice.
> > > > >
> > > > > After several weeks of trying to find someone with the authority

and

> > > > > knowledge to stop this copying, we finally have their word that

this

> > > > > practice will stop very soon. I hope this is true, as it is by far

> the

> > > > best
> > > > > solution.
> > > > >
> > > > > We will, of course, follow up with a letter by registered mail
> > > confirming
> > > > > the phone conversation.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks again,
> > > > >
> > > > > Dave
> > > > >
> > > > > "Manohar Kamath [MVP]" <mkamath@TAKETHISOUTkamath.com> wrote in

> > message

> > > > > news:OwSy3i8WDHA.1492@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > > > > > I would go with #2 from Jeff. I would first start it with a

> letter,

> > > > > stating
> > > > > > that you have discovered such a "copying" going on. If they

still

> > > > > continue,
> > > > > > you have a better case for a willful violation of copyright.
> > > > Important --
> > > > > > send the letter by registered mail :)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Manohar Kamath
> > > > > > Editor, .netBooks
> > > > > > [url]www.dotnetbooks.com[/url]
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Pack Fan" <pack@fan.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:vivibdplmeuif4@corp.supernews.com...
> > > > > > > I have an ASP web site with a SQL 2K database back end. Its

> entire

> > > > > > database
> > > > > > > is republished weekly on a competitor's web site. They seem to

> be

> > > > using
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > parsing script of some sort to copy from my pages as it makes

a

> > few

> > > > > > > mistakes, which has brought this practice to my attention. Of
> > > course,
> > > > I
> > > > > > want
> > > > > > > to stop this.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I have a few ideas for doing so:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 1. Track all IPs accessing the database and block those

> requesting

> > X

> > > > > pages
> > > > > > > in Y time frame, where X is big and Y is small.
> > > > > > > 2. Feed certain critical data as graphic images rather than as

> > text.

> > > > > > > 3. After finding their IP/host name block them.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Of course, all of these ideas have problems:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 1. I don't want to block bots that are merely caching the

site,

> > such

> > > > as
> > > > > > AOL.
> > > > > > > I don't want to block bots that are indexing the site such as
> > > Google.
> > > > > > > 2. Data sent as images are useless to those without sight.

Also,

> > OCR

> > > > > could
> > > > > > > be used on these images to retrieve the information.
> > > > > > > 3. How do I recognize them, and if I do, what's to stop them

> from

> > > > > > switching
> > > > > > > IPs/hostnames, etc.?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So my question to you is what practical approaches have been

> used

> > to

> > > > > > prevent
> > > > > > > third parties from stealing the contents of an on-line

database?

> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks much,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > David
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >

> >
> >

>
>