Fonts from Photoshop to Fireworks Change

[riprod webforumsuser@macromedia.com]

When I open a file created in Photoshop in Fireworks all the fonts are fine until I try resize or change anything, then the fonts go all scewy.

It seams that Fireworks names and treats all fonts completly differently to all otehr programs. For example in photoshop the font is "Helvetica Neue 83 Heavy Extended". In Fireworks it sees the font is simply "Helvetica Neue". I can manually change the font but the same font in Fireworks is "Helvetica Neue HeavyExt".

It does this with all my fonts, so it is a nighmare to make any changes to file already created.
I've resorted to making all changes in Photoshop and then flatening the file and bringing an uneditable version into fireworks to make the slices, mouse overs, animated gifs etc.

Any ideas ?

[Linda Rathgeber]

Why not wait until you have the file in Fireworks before adding the text?


Best regards,
Linda Rathgeber
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[riprod webforumsuser@macromedia.com]

Thanks for the suggestion but not really what I was looking for.

This seams to be a bug in Macromedia Fireworks and I was wondering if there is a solution. Most of the time the design is done at higher resolution in Photoshop and at the very last stage brought into Fireworks to setup for web. The fonts are part of the design in photoshop and it's amost impossible to put them in afterwards. Unless the whole design is done in fireworks which is not really practical.

[Tom Unger]

riprod;
You may need to clarify a bit more...
Are both you and the "designers" are using the same platform, same font
management (if any), with identical versions of each font used in the files
installed? It sounds like you are selecting "maintain appearance" in the
open dialogue, but when you try to edit the text "something" goes wrong?
It's not so clear what that "something" might be--I suspect it's more than
some variation in font naming between in the two apps? If the text does not
need to be edited in fw-could you simply rasterize it after
-Tom Unger

[Linda Rathgeber]

On 8/26/2003 4:28 PM, "riprod" [email]webforumsuser@macromedia.com[/email] wrote:

> Unless
> the whole design is done in fireworks which is not really practical.

Sure it is. You should try it some time. :-) One thing that could
account for the difference is if the text is done in Photoshop on a Mac
with a version of the font that isn't available for PC. The full
Helvetica family is simply not available for PC.


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[riprod webforumsuser@macromedia.com]

Thanks for the expanation about Photoshop. It seams that must be the problem. I would really think other people had run into this and there would be a work around.

For the other question about fonts & platforms. This is all on the same machine, with the same fonts all using suitcase font manager on Mac OS X 10.2.6 on a G4 Dual 1Ghz. Photoshop 7 and Fireworks MX.

[Stéphane Bergeron]

Linda Rathgeber wrote:

>
> On 8/26/2003 4:28 PM, "riprod" [email]webforumsuser@macromedia.com[/email] wrote:
>
>

>>Unless
>>the whole design is done in fireworks which is not really practical.

>
>
> Sure it is. You should try it some time. :-) One thing that could
> account for the difference is if the text is done in Photoshop on a Mac
> with a version of the font that isn't available for PC. The full
> Helvetica family is simply not available for PC.

Maybe not but that's not the problem here. I happen to have the exact
font that riprod was talking about on my system at work (Win2K) and
Fireworks doesn't recognize it either. The thing is that it is a Type 1
font and Fireworks doesn't "see" it eventhough Windows 2000 and Windows
XP natively support Type 1 fonts. The strange thing is that Fireworks
does "see" 16 of the 51 Helvetica Neue variants that I have. Why doesn't
it see the 35 other variants? It has the same problem with Eurostile,
Lucida and AGaramond, the only other Type 1 font families I have here.
Fireworks sees some of them but not all for some reason. I have no
TrueType version of these font families installed so Fireworks does
recognize some of them.

What's the problem this causes you ask? Well, to use riprod's case as an
example, he might want to "bold" another variant of the font ("Helvetica
Neue Extended" maybe) but it does not look the same as the real
"Helvetica Neue 83 Heavy Extended". Heavy is bolder than bold and the
result is very different. To test this I created text in Photoshop using
the exact font riprod used. I opened the file in Fireworks and it gave
me the "Replace Fonts" dialog eventhough I do have that font installed.
I chose Maintain Appearance then typed the same text directly in
Fireworks and I couldn't make it look exactly like Photshop's imported
version.

I did the same test with "Eurostile BoldExtended2" which Fireworks does
not see either. It does see "Eurostile Extended 2" and by bolding that I
got text that looked exactly the same as Photoshop's. I might have been
lucky or maybe Fireworks uses the true bold version of a font when one
clicks the Bold button which would be great. If not, you can get really
different looking text by formatting text with a "faux bold" setting
than by using the true bold variant of a font.

In closing, text handling is an area where Photoshop is clearly much
better than Fireworks and where Fireworks could use some serious
improvement. The Character panel in Photoshop is far more extensive than
Fireworks' if only that it offers two drop downs to select a font, one
where you choose the font family and another where you select the exact
variant. Its Bold and Italic buttons are clearly labelled as "Faux Bold"
and "Faux Italic". I would like to know myself if Fireworks' Bold button
really selects a real bold variant of the selected font (if it exists)
or if it merely approximates a bold version of a font.

Cheers!

Stéphane