Frames and Scrolling

[56bill65]

ok, i posted a question similar to this in the general area but i think it was
in the wrong spot. Anyways first off, i have no idea how to run the html code,
so everything i need to know is to do with the "design" part. Ok, i have a
webpage in .html with two frames, one nested on top, and one on the left side.
The one on the left side has multiple links on it and needs to have a scroll
bar so you can see all the links on the page. I have no idea where that option
is on dreamweaver MX. Any help would be appreciated.

P.S. "newsgroup user" you were a help in my other post, thank you, but i need
to know how to do it in the design part of Dreamweaver MX.

[DennisMcDougall]

your code should look like this

<frame src='yourframe.html' scrolling='yes' />

or you could have <frame src='yourfrmae.html' scrolling='auto' />

[Murray *TMM*]

Part of the problem with 'not doing code' is that you want to do things that
simply cannot be done from Design view.

Part of the problem with using frames is that you immediately plop yourself
into a scrollbar mess, particularly if you do not 'do code'.

See where I am coming from?

There is no option in DW to add scrollbars to a page. If the page is long
enough or wide enough, the OS will put scrollbars up for you to use. One
thing in framed sites that can prevent that from happening is if you somehow
constrain the height/width of the frame *and* you have selected the no
scrolling checkbox.

The simple, and perfectly obvious solution is to not use frames (which are
rarely the correct thing to use, anyhow), but that takes you into more
places where you need to know at least some HTML. So - how can we help you
with this?

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"56bill65" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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> ok, i posted a question similar to this in the general area but i think it
> was
> in the wrong spot. Anyways first off, i have no idea how to run the html
> code,
> so everything i need to know is to do with the "design" part. Ok, i have a
> webpage in .html with two frames, one nested on top, and one on the left
> side.
> The one on the left side has multiple links on it and needs to have a
> scroll
> bar so you can see all the links on the page. I have no idea where that
> option
> is on dreamweaver MX. Any help would be appreciated.
>
> P.S. "newsgroup user" you were a help in my other post, thank you, but i
> need
> to know how to do it in the design part of Dreamweaver MX.
>

[bthouin]

Murray *TMM* wrote:

> Part of the problem with 'not doing code' is that you want to do things that
> simply cannot be done from Design view.
>
> Part of the problem with using frames is that you immediately plop yourself
> into a scrollbar mess, particularly if you do not 'do code'.
>
> See where I am coming from?
>
> There is no option in DW to add scrollbars to a page. If the page is long
> enough or wide enough, the OS will put scrollbars up for you to use. One
> thing in framed sites that can prevent that from happening is if you somehow
> constrain the height/width of the frame *and* you have selected the no
> scrolling checkbox.
>
> The simple, and perfectly obvious solution is to not use frames (which are
> rarely the correct thing to use, anyhow), but that takes you into more
> places where you need to know at least some HTML. So - how can we help you
> with this?
>

Hi Murray,

I've never used frames, but the concept seems very appealing. What's
wrong with them, then, according to you ? And what's the alternative ?

Regards
bernard

[Murray *TMM*]

The reason for using or not using frames should be based on a) your site's
needs, and b) your willingness to accept the potential problems that frames
can create for you as developer and maintainer of the site and for your
visitors as casual users of the site.

I am down on frames because I believe that they create many more problems
than they solve.
Judging from the posts here, and the kinds of problems that are described,
the kind of person most likely to elect to use frames is also the kind of
person most likely ill-prepared fo solve the ensuing problems when they
arise. If you feel a) that you understand the problems and b) that you are
prepared to handle them when they occur, and c) that you have a need to use
frames, then by all means use them.

As far as I know, the most comprehensive discussions of frames and their
potential problems can be found on these two links -

[url]http://apptools.com/rants/framesevil.php[/url]
[url]http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/frames/[/url]


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"bthouin" <bernard_thouin@bluewin.ch> wrote in message
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> Murray *TMM* wrote:

>> Part of the problem with 'not doing code' is that you want to do things
>> that simply cannot be done from Design view.
>>
>> Part of the problem with using frames is that you immediately plop
>> yourself into a scrollbar mess, particularly if you do not 'do code'.
>>
>> See where I am coming from?
>>
>> There is no option in DW to add scrollbars to a page. If the page is
>> long enough or wide enough, the OS will put scrollbars up for you to use.
>> One thing in framed sites that can prevent that from happening is if you
>> somehow constrain the height/width of the frame *and* you have selected
>> the no scrolling checkbox.
>>
>> The simple, and perfectly obvious solution is to not use frames (which
>> are rarely the correct thing to use, anyhow), but that takes you into
>> more places where you need to know at least some HTML. So - how can we
>> help you with this?
>>

>
> Hi Murray,
>
> I've never used frames, but the concept seems very appealing. What's wrong
> with them, then, according to you ? And what's the alternative ?
>
> Regards
> bernard