Freehand MX Vote

[Joel]

[This is a POSITIVE statement and vote. Not more Macromedia-bashing. But,
short of creating a "petitiononline.com" I am offering the following for
Freehand users to vote yes or no on to show your support for the development
and release of a Freehand MX update:]

"We acknowledge that Macromedia is discussing whether to develop and provide
and update to Freehand MX, as told us by John J. Nosal, who represents
Macromedia and the Freehand MX development team in an official capacity; Our
livelihoods depend on Freehand, Macromedia's leading vector-based graphics
application; we wish to convey our full desire for, support of, and full
approval of this initiative.

We appreciate the time and effort Macromedia has put into developing and
maintaining Freehand in the past, and hope that Macromedia will acknowledge
its Freehand users requests for more stable and robust patches and releases
of Freehand in the future, beginning with a fix for the known issues in
Freehand MX.

We anxiously await the release of a Freehand MX update very, very soon."

The Undersigned,

[PLEASE VOTE *YES* if you agree with this statement and wish Macromedia to
move from discussing the release of an update to Freehand MX to the actual
development and release of said update.]

[Lukas Machata]

Yes.

--
Lukas Machata | [url]www.machata.ch[/url]
4053 Basel, Switzerland

[JediKnight2]

YES

Kevin Smith
Wilmington, NC




"Joel" <joel_berryNOSPAM@mac.com> wrote in message
news:bejs4d$2mn$1@forums.macromedia.com...

> [This is a POSITIVE statement and vote. Not more Macromedia-bashing. But,
> short of creating a "petitiononline.com" I am offering the following for
> Freehand users to vote yes or no on to show your support for the

development

> and release of a Freehand MX update:]
>
> "We acknowledge that Macromedia is discussing whether to develop and

provide

> and update to Freehand MX, as told us by John J. Nosal, who represents
> Macromedia and the Freehand MX development team in an official capacity;

Our

> livelihoods depend on Freehand, Macromedia's leading vector-based graphics
> application; we wish to convey our full desire for, support of, and full
> approval of this initiative.
>
> We appreciate the time and effort Macromedia has put into developing and
> maintaining Freehand in the past, and hope that Macromedia will

acknowledge

> its Freehand users requests for more stable and robust patches and

releases

> of Freehand in the future, beginning with a fix for the known issues in
> Freehand MX.
>
> We anxiously await the release of a Freehand MX update very, very soon."
>
> The Undersigned,
>
> [PLEASE VOTE *YES* if you agree with this statement and wish Macromedia to
> move from discussing the release of an update to Freehand MX to the actual
> development and release of said update.]
>
>

[bliss66]

Yes.

Sebastian Bliss
London, UK

[Judy Arndt]

Joel wrote:

> We appreciate the time and effort Macromedia has put into developing and
> maintaining Freehand in the past, and hope that Macromedia will acknowledge
> its Freehand users requests for more stable and robust patches and releases
> of Freehand in the future, beginning with a fix for the known issues in
> Freehand MX.

YES!

Judy Arndt
Edmonton, AB, Canada

[Tim Hines]

Yes.

Tim Hines
St. Petersburg, FL

[Joel]

This second thread got started this morning due to an error in posting,
which is why the other thread "Freehand MX Update -- PLEASE READ" was
officially posted. I think Lukas Machata posted while the other one got
screwed up.

Please respond ONLY to the "Freehand MX Update -- PLEASE READ" post, so we
aren't accused of trying to manipulate the numbers ;0)

Thanks!!!

Joel

"Lukas Machata" <machata@DoNotSpam-datacomm.ch> wrote in message
news:BB334C66.2249%machata@DoNotSpam-datacomm.ch...

> Yes.
>
> --
> Lukas Machata | [url]www.machata.ch[/url]
> 4053 Basel, Switzerland
>

[Den-Chan webforumsuser@macromedia.com]

YES!!
Damion Gordon
Berkeley, CA

[Martin Gamache]

Yes

Martin Gamache
Boston, MA

[Lukas Machata]

On 10.7.03 20:33 Joel wrote:

> I think Lukas Machata posted while the other one got
> screwed up.

Yeah... I thought it might be an error... :)
Thanks for setting up the
[url]http://www.petitiononline.com/macrfree/petition.html[/url]
--
Lukas Machata | [url]www.machata.ch[/url]

[laihuattan webforumsuser@macromedia.com]

YES

[Brian Pylant]

"hwarwick" [email]webforumsuser@macromedia.com[/email] wrote:

> Yes.
>
> That MM is considering dumping FH irritates me.

Huh? Not sure where you picked that up from...

[Courant]

Yes!

-Wes
Hartford, CT

[hwarwick webforumsuser@macromedia.com]

It's sort of like RIGHT THERE in one of the first sentences:

"We acknowledge that Macromedia is discussing whether to develop and provide
and update to Freehand MX"

The key point is WHETHER, which means they are considering NOT to develop and update FH. Not developing FH sounds an awful lot like killing the product to me...

HW

[Rich Hudgins]

To expand on the sentence it would read

"whether to develop an update to FHMX and whether to provide that update
to FHMX." I don't belive it was intended as whether to further develop FH.

Rich

"hwarwick" [email]webforumsuser@macromedia.com[/email] wrote:

> It's sort of like RIGHT THERE in one of the first sentences:
>
> "We acknowledge that Macromedia is discussing whether to develop and provide
> and update to Freehand MX"
>
> The key point is WHETHER, which means they are considering NOT to develop and update FH. Not developing FH sounds an awful lot like killing the product to me...
>
> HW
>
>
>

[hwarwick webforumsuser@macromedia.com]

Rich wrote:

>To expand on the sentence it would read
>"whether to develop an update to FHMX and whether to provide that update
>to FHMX." I don't belive it was intended as whether to further develop FH.

Not to be picky, but REALLY, Rich : think about it. Imagine if Adobe came out with a statement that they were contemplating whether they should do any further development or updates to... I dunno... Photoshop 7. ... There would such a hue and cry, the world would shift to a slightly hotter orbit.

And you might have noticed that over time, Adobe has killed a number of products (Persuasion any one?) Not by saying "This Product is DEAD SO DON'T BUY IT" but by declining to issue upgrades and quietly reassigning staff resources to other projects... A few years go by and what was immediately obvious to those paying attention at the time (that it was time to stick a fork in the app cuz it was dead) became manifestly clear.

Given MM's similar history of choosing the wrong enemy (first it was Adobe, then it was MS, now Bog only knows who they have in their sights - any thinking person knows that you don't REALLY "win" by defeating enemies, so perhaps they *have* wised up...) and quietly killing perfectly good products in the process (EX: Fontographer, SoundEdit, DECK (sold), Final Cut (sold), xRes (well, xRes was a buggy POS predicated on expensive RAM...so killing it wasn't such a bad idea), etc. you get the picture) what part of the FreeHand Graphic Studio (Fog/FH/xRes) is left standing? Ummmm. FreeHand.

So given ALL the evidence, what makes you think that FH isn't going to be liquidated like all the rest of its Altsys and graphic siblings (exc. Fireworks) in order to focus resources on MM Webware (incl. Fireworks), especialy when MM comes out with announcements like the one above?

Assume the worst, and fight for the best. Anything else, in this case, is worm gazing.

To that end, THAT'S why I find the *idea* of axing development on FH really irritating. I'm just not that interested in going to Illustrator... FH is a vastly more elegant solution. I just wish it wasn't so tweaky. THAT'S why the voices of this forum are important, and need to be heard.


HW

[Rich Hudgins]

....ok

All I was saying is that I thought you misread the sentence as a for
certain statement by MM that they were considering stopping development
of FH. They may very well be considering it, but this sentence is not
proof of that. A Freudian slip, maybe, but not proof.

Rich

"hwarwick" [email]webforumsuser@macromedia.com[/email] wrote:

> Rich wrote:
>
>

>>To expand on the sentence it would read
>>"whether to develop an update to FHMX and whether to provide that update
>>to FHMX." I don't belive it was intended as whether to further develop FH.

>
>
> Not to be picky, but REALLY, Rich : think about it. Imagine if Adobe came out with a statement that they were contemplating whether they should do any further development or updates to... I dunno... Photoshop 7. ... There would such a hue and cry, the world would shift to a slightly hotter orbit.
>
> And you might have noticed that over time, Adobe has killed a number of products (Persuasion any one?) Not by saying "This Product is DEAD SO DON'T BUY IT" but by declining to issue upgrades and quietly reassigning staff resources to other projects... A few years go by and what was immediately obvious to those paying attention at the time (that it was time to stick a fork in the app cuz it was dead) became manifestly clear.
>
> Given MM's similar history of choosing the wrong enemy (first it was Adobe, then it was MS, now Bog only knows who they have in their sights - any thinking person knows that you don't REALLY "win" by defeating enemies, so perhaps they *have* wised up...) and quietly killing perfectly good products in the process (EX: Fontographer, SoundEdit, DECK (sold), Final Cut (sold), xRes (well, xRes was a buggy POS predicated on expensive RAM...so killing it wasn't such a bad idea), etc. you get the picture) what part of the FreeHand Graphic Studio (Fog/FH/xRes) is left standing? Ummmm. FreeHand.
>
> So given ALL the evidence, what makes you think that FH isn't going to be liquidated like all the rest of its Altsys and graphic siblings (exc. Fireworks) in order to focus resources on MM Webware (incl. Fireworks), especialy when MM comes out with announcements like the one above?
>
> Assume the worst, and fight for the best. Anything else, in this case, is worm gazing.
>
> To that end, THAT'S why I find the *idea* of axing development on FH really irritating. I'm just not that interested in going to Illustrator... FH is a vastly more elegant solution. I just wish it wasn't so tweaky. THAT'S why the voices of this forum are important, and need to be heard.
>
>
> HW
>
>

[cbadon webforumsuser@macromedia.com]

YES!

[Steve P]

Yes
Steve Parker
Hamilton
New Zealand

Joel wrote:

> YES.
>
> Joel David Berry
> Tupelo, Mississippi
>
>

[dannymagic webforumsuser@macromedia.com]

Rich wrote:

>To expand on the sentence it would read
>"whether to develop an update to FHMX and whether to provide that update
>to FHMX." I don't belive it was intended as whether to further develop FH.

Not to be picky, but REALLY, Rich : think about it. Imagine if Adobe came out with a statement that they were contemplating whether they should do any further development or updates to... I dunno... Photoshop 7. ... There would such a hue and cry, the world would shift to a slightly hotter orbit.

And you might have noticed that over time, Adobe has killed a number of products (Persuasion any one?) Not by saying "This Product is DEAD SO DON'T BUY IT" but by declining to issue upgrades and quietly reassigning staff resources to other projects... A few years go by and what was immediately obvious to those paying attention at the time (that it was time to stick a fork in the app cuz it was dead) became manifestly clear.

Given MM's similar history of choosing the wrong enemy (first it was Adobe, then it was MS, now Bog only knows who they have in their sights - any thinking person knows that you don't REALLY "win" by defeating enemies, so perhaps they *have* wised up...) and quietly killing perfectly good products in the process (EX: Fontographer, SoundEdit, DECK (sold), Final Cut (sold), xRes (well, xRes was a buggy POS predicated on expensive RAM...so killing it wasn't such a bad idea), etc. you get the picture) what part of the FreeHand Graphic Studio (Fog/FH/xRes) is left standing? Ummmm. FreeHand.

So given ALL the evidence, what makes you think that FH isn't going to be liquidated like all the rest of its Altsys and graphic siblings (exc. Fireworks) in order to focus resources on MM Webware (incl. Fireworks), especialy when MM comes out with announcements like the one above?

Assume the worst, and fight for the best. Anything else, in this case, is worm gazing.

To that end, THAT'S why I find the *idea* of axing development on FH really irritating. I'm just not that interested in going to Illustrator... FH is a vastly more elegant solution. I just wish it wasn't so tweaky. THAT'S why the voices of this forum are important, and need to be heard.


HW