Frequent Lombard Freeze-ups... Help!!

[Marc P.]

Hi,


I'm just wondering if anyone here would have any clues about a problem
occuring on my Lombard PB (400MHZ 192/6gig [original drive] / DVD). It
has started freezing up about every 20 to 30 minutes or so. I'm runing
OS 9. I was running a 20 gig Hitachi 3rd party drive and thought that
was the problem but I've since put back in the original Apple 6 gig
drive, reinitialized it and reinstalled all software taking great care
not to use any old preference files and I'm having exactly the same
problem! Nothing has changed. The thing freezes up every 20 minutes or
so. It doesn't happen in any particular program as such but mostly in
Photoshop (6) and Internet Explorer (5.1.6), the ones I most often
use.
If anyone has any clues as to what could be going wrong (hardware,
software)... and how to fix it, I would greatly appreciated it.
Thanks.
Marc P.

[Steve]

On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 21:24:24 -0400, Marc P. wrote
(in message <933c0c1.0308061724.59c182cb@posting.google.com> ):

> Hi,
>
>
> I'm just wondering if anyone here would have any clues about a problem
> occuring on my Lombard PB (400MHZ 192/6gig [original drive] / DVD). It
> has started freezing up about every 20 to 30 minutes or so. I'm runing
> OS 9. I was running a 20 gig Hitachi 3rd party drive and thought that
> was the problem but I've since put back in the original Apple 6 gig
> drive, reinitialized it and reinstalled all software taking great care
> not to use any old preference files and I'm having exactly the same
> problem! Nothing has changed. The thing freezes up every 20 minutes or
> so. It doesn't happen in any particular program as such but mostly in
> Photoshop (6) and Internet Explorer (5.1.6), the ones I most often
> use.
> If anyone has any clues as to what could be going wrong (hardware,
> software)... and how to fix it, I would greatly appreciated it.
> Thanks.
> Marc P.

A really tough problem to find :-(. I would do a Clean Install, Zap the PRAM,
and let the thing cycle for a while in the Finder. If it still freezes, I
think you can be pretty sure it's hardware. If not, it's probably software.
Start adding stuff back in one at a time and try to figure out which it is.

Steve

[Tim Lance]

In article <933c0c1.0308061724.59c182cb@posting.google.com> , Marc P.
<marcpotvin@yahoo.ca> wrote:

> Hi,
>
>
> I'm just wondering if anyone here would have any clues about a problem
> occuring on my Lombard PB (400MHZ 192/6gig [original drive] / DVD). It
> has started freezing up about every 20 to 30 minutes or so. I'm runing
> OS 9. I was running a 20 gig Hitachi 3rd party drive and thought that
> was the problem but I've since put back in the original Apple 6 gig
> drive, reinitialized it and reinstalled all software taking great care
> not to use any old preference files and I'm having exactly the same
> problem! Nothing has changed. The thing freezes up every 20 minutes or
> so. It doesn't happen in any particular program as such but mostly in
> Photoshop (6) and Internet Explorer (5.1.6), the ones I most often
> use.
> If anyone has any clues as to what could be going wrong (hardware,
> software)... and how to fix it, I would greatly appreciated it.
> Thanks.
> Marc P.

Any specifics? Situations? Time since last boot? Etc.

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[Milton Aupperle]

In article <933c0c1.0308081906.5a8f7d6b@posting.google.com> , Marc P.
<marcpotvin@yahoo.ca> wrote:

> Tim Lance <NotAbitOFspam*tlance@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:<070820032028092047%NotAbitOFspam*tlance@aust in.rr.com>
>

> > Any specifics? Situations? Time since last boot? Etc.

>
>
> Well, one thing is constant, it *always* freezes up after 10 to 15
> minutes of Photoshop work. I run Gauge pro and it always freezes up
> when the CPU is close to or over 80°C. Other than that, it freezes up
> now and then but since I have a few big contracts to do and I'm using
> photoshop alot, it freezes up alot.
>
> Marc.

On my Lombard, when it hits about that temperature the Fan normally
comes on.

When I installed OS X - which uses a lot of memory for swap files and
other stuff, under heavy useage like iTunes or doing a lot of disk/ram
activity (live video processing etc.), the fan would come on after a
while (depends on ambient air temp and what I was doing).

When I upgraded it with a 18 gig drive and a G4 500 PowerLogix upgrade
(which works great), using the iTunes visuals would cause the fan to
kick in after about 30 minutes of use.

So I'm wondering if it's over heating and the fan is not working? To
prevent the fan form coming on I found that having a small external fan
blow air accros sthe top (keyboar area) and having it on an elvate
dplatform so air could blow acros sthe bototm solved the over heating
completely.

If the fan does come on - you'll know cause it sounds like an old
Hoover Vacum claeaner - it's really loud and noticeable.

HTH..

Milton

[Tim Lance]

In article
<090820030759201459%milton@SAPMMUSTDIEoutcastsoft. com.invalid>, Milton
Aupperle <milton@SAPMMUSTDIEoutcastsoft.com.invalid> wrote:

> In article <933c0c1.0308081906.5a8f7d6b@posting.google.com> , Marc P.
> <marcpotvin@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>

> > Tim Lance <NotAbitOFspam*tlance@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
> > news:<070820032028092047%NotAbitOFspam*tlance@aust in.rr.com>
> >

> > > Any specifics? Situations? Time since last boot? Etc.

> >
> >
> > Well, one thing is constant, it *always* freezes up after 10 to 15
> > minutes of Photoshop work. I run Gauge pro and it always freezes up
> > when the CPU is close to or over 80°C. Other than that, it freezes up
> > now and then but since I have a few big contracts to do and I'm using
> > photoshop alot, it freezes up alot.
> >
> > Marc.

>
> On my Lombard, when it hits about that temperature the Fan normally
> comes on.
>
> When I installed OS X - which uses a lot of memory for swap files and
> other stuff, under heavy useage like iTunes or doing a lot of disk/ram
> activity (live video processing etc.), the fan would come on after a
> while (depends on ambient air temp and what I was doing).
>
> When I upgraded it with a 18 gig drive and a G4 500 PowerLogix upgrade
> (which works great), using the iTunes visuals would cause the fan to
> kick in after about 30 minutes of use.
>
> So I'm wondering if it's over heating and the fan is not working? To
> prevent the fan form coming on I found that having a small external fan
> blow air accros sthe top (keyboar area) and having it on an elvate
> dplatform so air could blow acros sthe bototm solved the over heating
> completely.
>
> If the fan does come on - you'll know cause it sounds like an old
> Hoover Vacum claeaner - it's really loud and noticeable.
>
> HTH..
>
> Milton

I suspect the fan, too. What I *do* know is that X loves RAM and hard
drive space. Since I have given my boot partition 7 GB I have had no
problems.

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[llb]

Related your discussion, my Lombard gets way to hot and the fan has
never kicked in. Does anyone know the temperature that fan is supposed
to start working? I too put a small fan that I removed from a dead Mac
on the side blowing across and under the keyboard area and that really
helped but I wish the fan would kick in.

Thanks.

llb

[John Johnson]

In article <110820030801091952%llb@hotmail.com>, llb <llb@hotmail.com>
wrote:

> Related your discussion, my Lombard gets way to hot and the fan has
> never kicked in. Does anyone know the temperature that fan is supposed
> to start working? I too put a small fan that I removed from a dead Mac
> on the side blowing across and under the keyboard area and that really
> helped but I wish the fan would kick in.
>
> Thanks.
>
> llb

Resetting the PMMU solved this problem on my Pismo. Procedure was to
shut down, remove battery and AC, then press and hold that little button
on the back of the machine by the...[checks back of machine] video-out.
I'm sure that Apple's KB or any reasonable Mac site has complete and
accurate instructions for doing this. I might have forgotten a step.

later.

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