[HELP] How can a multicolor logo come out nicely using a solid color?

[Warren Forsk]

Hi,

I asked this in the middle of another thread but I think it got lost in
there.

I've got a file with a company logo on it (vector outlines) that uses 3 spot
colors.

I've got another project file that will be using a single spot color.

The idea is to get that company logo into the project file in such a way
that it remains in outline form (and hence, keeps its elasticity) while
being made up of various shades of the project's only spot color (kind of
like making it grayscale, only using a specified spot color instead of
grey).

Keep in mind that simply selecting the outlines and applying the spot color
as a fill to the whole logo will produce a big uniform splot. Hence why the
"various shades" are important.

How do I do this?

Thanks!

[steggy]

Warren Forsk wrote:

>
> Hi,
>
> I asked this in the middle of another thread but I think it got lost in
> there.
>
> I've got a file with a company logo on it (vector outlines) that uses 3 spot
> colors.
>
> I've got another project file that will be using a single spot color.
>
> The idea is to get that company logo into the project file in such a way
> that it remains in outline form (and hence, keeps its elasticity) while
> being made up of various shades of the project's only spot color (kind of
> like making it grayscale, only using a specified spot color instead of
> grey).
>
> Keep in mind that simply selecting the outlines and applying the spot color
> as a fill to the whole logo will produce a big uniform splot. Hence why the
> "various shades" are important.
>
> How do I do this?
>
> Thanks!

Select a part of the vector logo (it mus be in "parts"
otherwise it could not have three different colors).
Use the eyedropper to choose the filling from your project file.
The selected part of the logo will get this color including
the right percentage.
Do the same with the other parts.

I hope I got you right.
--
steg

[Warren Forsk]

Steggy,

Allow me to reformulate my problem.

I have a logo made up of 3 colors. Imagine white text with a black outline,
with dark blue shadow behind it, over a large red circle.

If you rasterize and grayscale something like this, the result would be the
same logo rendered in 3 different tones of gray. Or in other words, various
transparencies of black. But each layer would knock out the layer beneath
it, or else you'd see right THROUGH every element, and it would be a
shambles.

The method you recommend (isolate parts of the logo and assign the project's
spot color to each of them) will result in one big circle, with no way to
distinguish the text because it is in the same color as the circle behind
the text.

If I apply various transparencies to various parts, as you seem to be
hinting, that creates 2 new problems :

- First, no matter how transparent you make the text on the top layer, it
will never get lighter due to the circle beneath it being darker.

- Secondly, making the text transparent reveals the shadow outlines INSIDE
the text itself. The text itself should be solid white. The shadow behind it
should not come through it. Imagine a text layer duplicated over itself, and
slightly nudged in one direction, with the bottom layer being dark. If the
top layer is transparent, we'll see the bottom layer THROUGH it. We don't
want that. We want the text to be WHITE.

I have been trying to solve this problem all day, and I'm real close to
giving up. :(





"steggy" <steggy@bnrd.invalid.net> wrote in message
news:407318F0.51D7ABA9@bnrd.invalid.net...

> Warren Forsk wrote:

> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I asked this in the middle of another thread but I think it got lost in
> > there.
> >
> > I've got a file with a company logo on it (vector outlines) that uses 3

spot

> > colors.
> >
> > I've got another project file that will be using a single spot color.
> >
> > The idea is to get that company logo into the project file in such a way
> > that it remains in outline form (and hence, keeps its elasticity) while
> > being made up of various shades of the project's only spot color (kind

of

> > like making it grayscale, only using a specified spot color instead of
> > grey).
> >
> > Keep in mind that simply selecting the outlines and applying the spot

color

> > as a fill to the whole logo will produce a big uniform splot. Hence why

the

> > "various shades" are important.
> >
> > How do I do this?
> >
> > Thanks!

>
> Select a part of the vector logo (it mus be in "parts"
> otherwise it could not have three different colors).
> Use the eyedropper to choose the filling from your project file.
> The selected part of the logo will get this color including
> the right percentage.
> Do the same with the other parts.
>
> I hope I got you right.
> --
> steg

[steggy]

Warren Forsk wrote:

>
> Steggy,
>
> Allow me to reformulate my problem.
>
> I have a logo made up of 3 colors. Imagine white text with a black outline,
> with dark blue shadow behind it, over a large red circle.
>
> If you rasterize and grayscale something like this, the result would be the
> same logo rendered in 3 different tones of gray. Or in other words, various
> transparencies of black. But each layer would knock out the layer beneath
> it, or else you'd see right THROUGH every element, and it would be a
> shambles.
>
> The method you recommend (isolate parts of the logo and assign the project's
> spot color to each of them) will result in one big circle, with no way to
> distinguish the text because it is in the same color as the circle behind
> the text.
>
> If I apply various transparencies to various parts, as you seem to be
> hinting, that creates 2 new problems :
>
> - First, no matter how transparent you make the text on the top layer, it
> will never get lighter due to the circle beneath it being darker.
>
> - Secondly, making the text transparent reveals the shadow outlines INSIDE
> the text itself. The text itself should be solid white. The shadow behind it
> should not come through it. Imagine a text layer duplicated over itself, and
> slightly nudged in one direction, with the bottom layer being dark. If the
> top layer is transparent, we'll see the bottom layer THROUGH it. We don't
> want that. We want the text to be WHITE.
>
> I have been trying to solve this problem all day, and I'm real close to
> giving up. :(

pffffffffffff not sure if I grab you this time Warren:)

Lets be clear by me describing what i think is troubling
you, so you cans hoot.

1. You have a vector logo
2. The logo has three fillings, blue (shadow), red
(background) and white (Text).

I still think that if that is the case you can select the
circle and the text separately and give them the color you
need, with keeping the text solid white.

Now the problem you are left with is the fact that the blue
is the shadow of the text. Please tell us how you made the
shadow. My guess is you want that shadow to be in a PMS
blue. There is an answer for that, but not from me right now:)
--
steg

[Warren Forsk]

OK, I think the problem here is that you're relying too heavily on the idea
that the logo is divided into 3 parts, and can therefore be edited manually,
sublayer by sublayer. There are other logos that simply make manually
setting each element impossible.

Let's forget the 3 part logo. There is another I need to import that has
about 300 sublayers to it, because the text and gradients have been outlined
(creating sublayer upon sublayer). It's all one spot color - but the wrong
spot color. Additionally, perusing down the infinite sublayers reveals that
one layer uses the spot color as an outline (stroke), while the next uses it
as a fill, etc.

It all comes together really nicely, but I can't manually go over each part,
determine if it's a stroke or a fill, and change the color manually that
way. It would take days with hundreds of sublayers to go through.

Therefore, I would need a way to tell this logo (or this layer) "change all
instances of color A to color B".

Voilà! Just that. Nothing else. Don't fill areas that aren't already filled,
don't stroke parts that aren't stroked, and keep all opacity values the
same.

Just change the color used in this layer (and all sublayers) to THIS.

Instead of being a blue logo, be a red logo.

Can this be done?

"steggy" <steggy@bnrd.invalid.net> wrote in message
news:40734E58.CA73519F@bnrd.invalid.net...

>
> pffffffffffff not sure if I grab you this time Warren:)
>
> Lets be clear by me describing what i think is troubling
> you, so you cans hoot.
>
> 1. You have a vector logo
> 2. The logo has three fillings, blue (shadow), red
> (background) and white (Text).
>
> I still think that if that is the case you can select the
> circle and the text separately and give them the color you
> need, with keeping the text solid white.
>
> Now the problem you are left with is the fact that the blue
> is the shadow of the text. Please tell us how you made the
> shadow. My guess is you want that shadow to be in a PMS
> blue. There is an answer for that, but not from me right now:)
> --
> steg

[steggy]

Warren Forsk wrote:

>
> OK, I think the problem here is that you're relying too heavily on the idea
> that the logo is divided into 3 parts, and can therefore be edited manually,
> sublayer by sublayer. There are other logos that simply make manually
> setting each element impossible.
>
> Let's forget the 3 part logo. There is another I need to import that has
> about 300 sublayers to it, because the text and gradients have been outlined
> (creating sublayer upon sublayer). It's all one spot color - but the wrong
> spot color. Additionally, perusing down the infinite sublayers reveals that
> one layer uses the spot color as an outline (stroke), while the next uses it
> as a fill, etc.
>
> It all comes together really nicely, but I can't manually go over each part,
> determine if it's a stroke or a fill, and change the color manually that
> way. It would take days with hundreds of sublayers to go through.
>
> Therefore, I would need a way to tell this logo (or this layer) "change all
> instances of color A to color B".
>
> Voilà! Just that. Nothing else. Don't fill areas that aren't already filled,
> don't stroke parts that aren't stroked, and keep all opacity values the
> same.
>
> Just change the color used in this layer (and all sublayers) to THIS.
>
> Instead of being a blue logo, be a red logo.
>
> Can this be done?

Yes, halfway

-Select one stroke, go to Select>>Same>>Stroke color
-Replace the color, all the same stroke colors will be changed

*Select one fill, go to Select>>Same>>Fill Color
*Replace the color all the same color fills will be changed

OK the "opacity" (I guess you mean the percentage that has
been given to the colors, say 70% PMS 299).

I seem to remember someone had the answer to that, cannot
find it anymore. In short: suppose you have 30 objects in
PMS 299, but in different percentages. How do you change it
to PMS 800 but keep the percentages intact.

Good question. Paul??
--
steg