HENRY POSNER is he GAY

[Todd Walker]

In article <87ddae62.0308271741.1be548ee@posting.google.com >,
[email]bunghole@cari.net.my[/email] says...

> ACCORDING TO WEBSTER'S DICTIONARY, GAY MEANS:
>

According to dictionary.com, LIBEL means:

a. A false publication, as in writing, print, signs, or pictures, that
damages a person's reputation.

b. The act of presenting such material to the public.

Henry has grounds for suing the living shit out of you.

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[Roy Jose Lorr]

Todd Walker wrote:

> In article <87ddae62.0308271741.1be548ee@posting.google.com >,
> [email]bunghole@cari.net.my[/email] says...

> > ACCORDING TO WEBSTER'S DICTIONARY, GAY MEANS:
> >

>
> According to dictionary.com, LIBEL means:
>
> a. A false publication, as in writing, print, signs, or pictures, that
> damages a person's reputation.
>
> b. The act of presenting such material to the public.
>
> Henry has grounds for suing the living shit out of you.

Throw yourself off a roof and blame someone else for it?

[Yechidah]

After acertaining that your post has not been conducive to the Beauty of
Israel and its correct representation, your message has been removed from
the collective consciousness indefinitely.


Yechidah

[Roy Jose Lorr]

Yechidah wrote:

> After acertaining that your post has not been conducive to the Beauty of
> Israel and its correct representation, your message has been removed from
> the collective consciousness indefinitely.

The beauty of Israel will be restored when people like you
return to the Sinaitic Covenant you abandoned.

[Yechidah]

"Roy Jose Lorr"


"Who are you, tiny man?", said the Warrior princess to the unusually
squattishly small creature lying at her feet?



Blessings,
Yechidah

[Mike Johnston]

What post? :-)

"Yechidah" <healing@bestweb.net> wrote:

>After acertaining that your post has not been conducive to the Beauty of
>Israel and its correct representation, your message has been removed from
>the collective consciousness indefinitely.
>
>
>Yechidah
>
>
>

[Roy Jose Lorr]

Yechidah wrote:

> "Roy Jose Lorr"
>
> "Who are you, tiny man?", said the Warrior princess to the unusually
> squattishly small creature lying at her feet?

I am the one who tells Jews who despise the God of Moses:

"The beauty of Israel will be restored when people like you
return to the Sinaitic Covenant you abandoned."

[Joel M. Eichen D.D.S.]

Is this a religious post?

If so please pray for my root canal.


Joel

On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 03:47:35 GMT, Roy Jose Lorr
<mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

>
>
>Yechidah wrote:
>

>> After acertaining that your post has not been conducive to the Beauty of
>> Israel and its correct representation, your message has been removed from
>> the collective consciousness indefinitely.

>
>The beauty of Israel will be restored when people like you
>return to the Sinaitic Covenant you abandoned.

--
Joel M. Eichen, .
Philadelphia PA

STANDARD DISCLAIMER applies:
<You fill it in>

[J. A. Mc.]

Probably one of the ultranumerous B&H/Posner TROLLs.

On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 14:20:19 GMT, [email]wpajohnson@qwest.net[/email] (Mike Johnston)
found these unused words floating about:

>What post? :-)
>
>"Yechidah" <healing@bestweb.net> wrote:
>

>>After acertaining that your post has not been conducive to the Beauty of
>>Israel and its correct representation, your message has been removed from
>>the collective consciousness indefinitely.
>>
>>
>>Yechidah
>>
>>
>>

[Roy Jose Lorr]

"Joel M. Eichen D.D.S." wrote:

> Is this a religious post?

You think its a root canal? I can see how you'd
make that mistake.

>

> >The beauty of Israel will be restored when people like you
> >return to the Sinaitic Covenant you abandoned.

[Joel M. Eichen D.D.S.]

I thought it was a root canal post (that makes more sense) than all of
the discussions about BELIEFS.

BELIEFS are privately held and should remain so.

(Unless you are praying for root canal relief, in which case a small
donation sent to the JEFFJE will help.)

JEFFJE is the International Organization of the Joel Eichen Fund For
Joel Eichen.

It is inspired by the following:


Posted on Sun, Aug. 31, 2003

The case of the priest and the missing money
By Jennifer Moroz
Inquirer Staff Writer




The Rev. Daniel Sullivan preaching in the Holy Land in 2000. Sullivan
was dismissed as a pastor by the Trenton Diocese, which seeks
accounting and restitution of $317,000 in parish funds, much of it
from an account for the needy.


When the Rev. Daniel Sullivan came here to Our Lady Queen of Peace
Catholic Church in Hainesport nine years ago, the little parish didn't
know what hit it.

Sullivan wasn't like other pastors.

He was extravagant. He was charismatic. He was engaging.

Where others couldn't, many parishioners say, Sullivan brought them
closer to God and challenged them to live a life of giving.

Parish membership and weekly collections tripled. People poured in
from throughout the region, ignoring parish boundaries, to hear
Sullivan's famous homilies and take part in the outreach efforts for
which the church quickly became known.

Under Sullivan, the parish grew into what Bishop John Smith of Trenton
reportedly once called "the heart of Burlington County."

So when Smith on Oct. 15 sent his deputies to Hainesport with a letter
of suspension and an order for Sullivan to leave immediately, jaws
dropped.

The allegations that followed were stunning: According to Trenton
Diocese officials, Sullivan, 54, misappropriated at least $317,000 in
parish funds, much of it from an account set up to help the needy.

Perhaps just as stunning to many was that the Catholic Church, known
for handling personnel matters internally, went public with its case
against the priest. In a lawsuit filed in Superior Court in Burlington
County, the diocese is seeking a full accounting of unauthorized
expenditures and restitution.

In court documents, diocese attorneys paint a picture of a pastor out
of control, who may have been driven to take from his own parishioners
to support a gambling addiction.

Sullivan has denied the allegations. And the lawsuit, scheduled to
enter mediation next month, could, in the end, be resolved quietly out
of court.

But the priest remains the target of a criminal investigation launched
by the Burlington County Prosecutor's Office. And the church community
he built has been left in turmoil, its members torn over whom to
believe - and what to believe in.

The diocese isn't saying much, only that it wants to protect the
parish's financial interests.

Sullivan, cleared by the diocese 13 years ago of similar allegations
that surfaced in another parish, also won't talk about the details of
the case, citing advice from his attorney.

"They have their opinion, I have mine," he said recently from the
porch of the gingerbread-style house he now calls home, 40 miles away
at the Shore. "It's that simple."

But those loyal to "Father Dan" - including a yacht-manufacturing
magnate who is bankrolling the priest's defense - have taken a much
stronger public stance, holding a candlelight vigil in March to
protest what some have called a witch-hunt.

Sullivan, they acknowledge, may have spent a lot and kept sloppy
books. And, yes, he gambles, but just on the nickel slots and not
compulsively.

Certainly, Sullivan's supporters contend, he is no criminal.

They theorize that diocese officials and a small group of parishioners
simply want to punish a priest who didn't kowtow to the church
hierarchy.

They say he is a priest who put spirituality before bureaucracy, a man
whose biggest fault was being too generous.

Lisa Zorovich, of Mercerville, who resigned as the church's music
director amid the upheaval, has worked in the Catholic Church her
entire adult life.

She doesn't know whether she will ever go back.

"I understand the old-boys' club," she said. "But I don't understand
this old-boys' club that eats its own."

"They don't treat pedophiles this way."

Parishioners sounded

the early alarms

Diocese officials will not directly address accusations that they have
unfairly targeted one of their own.

"We have found that there are both passionate and vocal supporters and
detractors of Father Dan," was all diocese spokesman Steven Emery
would say. "He's a very charismatic priest."

Parishioners who support the diocese are reluctant to speak out
against Sullivan these days. When they do speak, they say they simply
want the truth.

"People are trying to make this personal," said one parishioner, who
spoke on condition of anonymity. "It's not personal. We just had some
questions and concerns. If that's my business, my people, my
shareholders have a right to understand what I'm doing with that
business."

It was a group of 13 parishioners who first raised concerns about
Sullivan's spending and demanded intervention in a letter to the
diocese in the fall of 2001.

But it was not until spring of 2002 that the diocese took a close look
at the books.

In a routine audit to determine the financial feasibility of building
a new church to accommodate the growing parish, a diocese auditor
noted that there were $168,000 in unauthorized and unsupported
expenditures between July 1, 2000, and Dec. 31, 2001.

That number swelled to more than $300,000 when the audit was expanded
to cover five years.

Included in that, auditor Lori Mellish noted, was roughly $150,000 in
checks payable to cash, and $67,000 in checks endorsed by Sullivan.

Many of those were written from the church's social-justice account,
administered mostly by Sullivan and one nun, and by one estimate took
in more than $60,000 a year.

Until then, the fund was unknown to the diocese, which requires
parishes to report all accounts and pay a 12 percent assessment on
most of them, with the exception of those earmarked for a specific
purpose.

Sullivan's supporters say the money in the social-justice account went
to help the needy: to feed the hungry, to pay the rent when times were
tough, to get gift certificates from Wal-Mart or Target to buy basics
or just brighten a day.

They said the account, well-known to parishioners and the church's
finance council, was kept secret from the diocese to prevent officials
in Trenton from taking a cut.

When diocese officials discovered it, they demanded answers.

There were no receipts for the gift certificates because, Sullivan and
his supporters said, they were thrown away. And cash was given out
anonymously to those down on their luck to preserve their pride.

When challenged by diocese officials, church staff scurried to round
up certifications from those who insist they received money from the
parish, including the archbishop of Sierra Leone and a church in
Jamaica.

But the numbers still don't add up, diocese officials say.

Angela Chebra, the former director of communications for the parish,
followed Sullivan to Our Lady Queen of Peace from Our Lady of Sorrows
in Mercerville, Mercer County, and quit amid the accusations against
the priest.

"Did he follow all the rules? I don't know," she said. "But is it more
important that the money was accounted for or that the people who
needed it got it?"

The audit shows parish funds paying for a slew of unauthorized
expenses: limousine service for both Sullivan and his father, a $3,000
loan to pay for a car for the son of the rectory's secretary, and
thousands more that records show went to pay the personal expenses of
a visiting priest from Nigeria.

Sullivan's attorney, Katherine Hartman, said she couldn't comment on
most of the diocese's accusations.

But her client's supporters attribute many of the problems to
Sullivan's tendency not to question people when they asked for help,
and on the poor accounting practices, which they say were being
corrected even before the audit was conducted.

Sullivan may not be a good businessman but he never stole, said Bob
Healey of Lumberton, one of two main contributors to the church, who
sat on its finance council before the diocese disbanded it.

"Did he maybe give money to people who weren't as poor as they said
they were? Maybe that happened," said Healey, who owns Viking Yacht
Co. in New Gretna, Burlington County, and is financing the priest's
defense. "Dan Sullivan, like the rest of us, is not perfect. But what
he does as a spiritual leader is outstanding, and when you have a
spiritual leader like that, you've got to cut him some slack."

Some of the diocese's accusations, Healey and others contend, are
downright outrageous. One involves a check of more than $30,000 that
the parish sent to St. Francis of Assisi Church in Lower Manhattan
after the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks.

That money came from a raffle initially intended to raise money for
the church's own building fund. But when the Twin Towers fell,
Sullivan decided that half of the money should go to New York, and
many parishioners say that everyone who bought a raffle ticket was
well-aware of how the proceeds would be split.

Sullivan called it an act of kindness. Diocese officials called it an
act of false advertising and an unauthorized disbursement.

But the officials are, those loyal to Sullivan say, simply looking for
anything to discredit the priest, say those who are loyal to Sullivan.

"They're treating him as if he misappropriated every dime of the
social-justice fund and took it to the track," said Hartman, his
attorney. "And the evidence doesn't support that."

In court documents, one diocese official insists that Healey told him
that Sullivan had a gambling addiction and was attending a help group
for compulsive gamblers.

But according to Healey, he never told diocese officials that Sullivan
was in such a group.

In a recent interview, Healey said he told them he had been worried
about Sullivan's trips to the casinos and had encouraged the priest to
see a therapist specializing in addictive behavior. Healey said that
he had read the therapist's report and that it concluded that the
priest's love of slots wasn't an addiction. The casinos, Healey said,
simply provided the priest with an escape.

Diocese officials say they aren't convinced. They have sought the
priest's psychological records, and have dug up his personal bank
records.

Over five years ending December 2002, records show him taking out more
than $80,000 from ATMs in Atlantic City and Delaware Park Racetrack
and Slots. During roughly the same time period, the priest, who earns
$16,800 a year in stipend and car allowance, deposited more than
$511,000 into his personal bank account, according to court records.

Hartman said there was an explanation for the priest's seemingly
considerable cash flow.

"I can't get into it now," she said. "But the way it was presented by
the church is very misleading, as if it was a cause-and-effect
relationship."

Hartman pointed out that priests can make money in many ways, such as
commissions and tips from leading religious retreats and trips, which
Sullivan did, from places that are as close as the Shore and as far
away as Egypt. Sullivan, his supporters say, also rented out a
bungalow on Long Beach Island that he inherited, along with a
mortgage, from a family friend in 1996.

He was in the process of selling that house after buying the Tuckerton
house he now calls home when diocese officials filed suit and had both
properties frozen.

The church's move is unusual, some experts say. Mary Ann Walsh, a
spokeswoman for the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, said cases of
priests stealing or misappropriating funds were rare. "What happens
less frequently is that a resolution would end up in court," she said.

But some are not surprised. The rules have all changed since the
clergy sex scandals rocked the Catholic Church, said the Rev. Raymond
C. O'Brien, a professor of law at Catholic University of America.
"Priests used to get away with a lot of stuff. That's not true
anymore."

"I'm at peace. I've had

a lot of time to pray."

Sitting on his porch on a quiet, leafy street, Sullivan chain-smokes
Marlboros and talks about the 10 months since he was ordered to leave
the Hainesport rectory. He has been doing a lot of meditating, reading
and gardening, he says. He's started work on a second book (his first,
a collection of fictionalized encounters with Jesus, was first
published in 1993).

Forty miles away, subpoenas have already been issued in a criminal
investigation prompted by the church to which he has devoted the last
28 years of his life. A diocese-selected monsignor is running a parish
of which Sullivan is still technically pastor.

He's hurt, he said, but not angry.

"I don't think I've ever been stronger in my faith," he said. "I'm at
peace. I've had a lot of time to pray."

It's not the first time he has been attacked. In 1990, Sullivan, then
in his first pastorship at Our Lady of Sorrows in Mercerville,
resigned amid allegations by some parishioners that he had mismanaged
church funds, using collection money without accounting for it.

The diocese investigated, and although it noted lax accounting
practices, cleared Sullivan of any wrongdoing, according to the
Trenton Times.

Sullivan attributed his departure, which led into a two-year leave of
absence during which he said he lived at the Shore and wrote his first
book, to burnout, spending "too much time on administrative stuff and
not enough time on Jesus."

He attributed the tension with some parishioners to a difference in
style. "Think of the mindset going from Berkeley to a parish of 3,000
that is a bastion of conservatism," said Sullivan, who had just come
off a yearlong sabbatical to study theology on the West Coast when he
arrived in Mercerville in 1986. "I don't think it was a good match."

He came to Our Lady Queen of Peace in June 1994 after the leave of
absence, followed by several temporary stints in churches from
Burlington City to Brigantine.

In Hainesport, he said, it was a match made in heaven.

"I believe in empowering people; they were dying to be empowered,"
Sullivan said of parishioners at Our Lady Queen of Peace. "It was a
burst of creativity and faith. The parish just came so alive."

Sullivan, who said he wanted to be a priest since he was a senior in
Watchung Hills Regional High School in Somerset County, said he never
had any political aspirations within the church. Sullivan said he
wanted only to be a pastor, to build a "faith community" and teach its
members that the Lord welcomes all - regardless of their past, age,
race, or sexual preference - with open arms. He wanted parishioners
not only to hear the Lord's message "to love one another as I have
loved you," but also to live it, not to just sit through Mass, but
leave inspired and believing they could make a difference.

Under Sullivan, membership would triple to more than 2,000 families.
The grounds surrounding the small white church on Marne Highway
blossomed. Ministries - to help the sick, the needy, the grieving -
bloomed. Sullivan became known for never turning away anyone who
wanted to help, or needed it.

Often, parishioners say, he offered help before anyone could ask for
it.

That's what happened to Jeff Masishin, a parishioner at Our Lady Queen
of Peace for 18 years. His son, Michael, was dying of cancer when
Sullivan spearheaded a march that raised more than $50,000 for his
medical bills.

Maryann Bufanio of Mount Laurel was one of many who came to Our Lady
Queen of Peace for Sullivan, whose sermons she had heard during one of
his temporary assignments.

Her husband, Frank, who is not a Catholic, also became involved in the
church's work. "I wanted to give back to the community and this church
allowed me to do that," he said. But now that Father Dan is gone, "I
have no desire to go there and help, and that's a shame."

Many other parishioners have stopped coming to church. Programs
started by Sullivan, parishioners say, are falling apart and weekly
collections have dwindled.

A few are content.

"I wanted my church back, and I got it," said the parishioner who
spoke on condition of anonymity.

But many have been left grieving. Sullivan includes himself in that
group.

Even after all the turmoil and attacks, he said, he would not hesitate
to go back to Hainesport if the diocese allowed him.

"I'd be in the car in a second," he said. "I can't tell you how much
it rips my heart out not to be with them."


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Contact staff writer Jennifer Moroz at 856-779-3810 or
[email]jmoroz@phillynews.com[/email]. Inquirer staff writer Joel Bewley contributed
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Joel

On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 16:25:32 GMT, Roy Jose Lorr
<mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

>
>
>"Joel M. Eichen D.D.S." wrote:
>

>> Is this a religious post?

>
>You think its a root canal? I can see how you'd
>make that mistake.
>

>>

>> >The beauty of Israel will be restored when people like you
>> >return to the Sinaitic Covenant you abandoned.

--
Joel M. Eichen, .
Philadelphia PA

STANDARD DISCLAIMER applies:
<You fill it in>

[Joel M. Eichen D.D.S.]

Post and core?

See, it is root canal work.

(Posted to sci.med.dentistry)


Joel

On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 12:45:50 -0400, "Yechidah" <healing@bestweb.net>
wrote:

>
>"Mike Johnston" <wpajohnson@qwest.net> wrote in message
>news:3f520419.693130969@news.qwest.net...

>> What post? :-)

>
>
>Exactly.
>
>
>

--
Joel M. Eichen, .
Philadelphia PA

STANDARD DISCLAIMER applies:
<You fill it in>

[Roy Jose Lorr]

"Joel M. Eichen D.D.S." wrote:

> I thought it was a root canal post

Painfull... eh?

>
> BELIEFS are privately held and should remain so.

You believe this and held it to yourself?

Time for you to get a new drill.

>
>
>
> On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 16:25:32 GMT, Roy Jose Lorr
> <mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>

> >
> >
> >"Joel M. Eichen D.D.S." wrote:
> >

> >> Is this a religious post?

> >
> >You think its a root canal? I can see how you'd
> >make that mistake.
> >

> >>
> >> >The beauty of Israel will be restored when people like you
> >> >return to the Sinaitic Covenant you abandoned.

[Roy Jose Lorr]

Yechidah wrote:

> "Mike Johnston" <wpajohnson@qwest.net> wrote in message
> news:3f520419.693130969@news.qwest.net...

> > What post? :-)

>
> Exactly.

The one you responded to. LOL

[Roy Jose Lorr]

"Joel M. Eichen D.D.S." wrote:

> Post and core?
>
> See, it is root canal work.

Its painful, even through the novocain... eh?

[George Kerby]

On 8/31/03 10:30 AM, in article [email]t454lv4vkuk1evun8fhpr32vn49sjmnunh@4ax.com[/email],
"Joel M. Eichen D.D.S." <joeleichen@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Is this a religious post?
>
> If so please pray for my root canal.
>
>
> Joel

Giving or receiving?


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[Joel M. Eichen D.D.S.]

On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 20:08:52 GMT, Roy Jose Lorr
<mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

>
>
>"Joel M. Eichen D.D.S." wrote:
>

>> I thought it was a root canal post

>
>Painfull... eh?

REPLY:

YUP but bad spelling .......

Its painnful.

>

>>
>> BELIEFS are privately held and should remain so.

>
>You believe this and held it to yourself?
>
>Time for you to get a new drill.
>

>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 16:25:32 GMT, Roy Jose Lorr
>> <mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>>

>> >
>> >
>> >"Joel M. Eichen D.D.S." wrote:
>> >
>> >> Is this a religious post?
>> >
>> >You think its a root canal? I can see how you'd
>> >make that mistake.
>> >
>> >>
>> >> >The beauty of Israel will be restored when people like you
>> >> >return to the Sinaitic Covenant you abandoned.

--
Joel M. Eichen, .
Philadelphia PA

STANDARD DISCLAIMER applies:
<You fill it in>

[Joel M. Eichen D.D.S.]

You R 2 quick!

On 31 Aug 2003 21:59:09 GMT, George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>On 8/31/03 10:30 AM, in article [email]t454lv4vkuk1evun8fhpr32vn49sjmnunh@4ax.com[/email],
>"Joel M. Eichen D.D.S." <joeleichen@yahoo.com> wrote:
>

>> Is this a religious post?
>>
>> If so please pray for my root canal.
>>
>>
>> Joel

>Giving or receiving?
>
>
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Joel M. Eichen, .
Philadelphia PA

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[Joel M. Eichen D.D.S.]

Sometimes .. .depends if it is a vital polpectomy ....... meaning the
nerve is live when you walk in and dead when you walk out!

(Sometimes hard to induce anesthesia in that case).

Joel

On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 20:15:04 GMT, Roy Jose Lorr
<mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

>
>
>"Joel M. Eichen D.D.S." wrote:
>

>> Post and core?
>>
>> See, it is root canal work.

>
>Its painful, even through the novocain... eh?
>
>

--
Joel M. Eichen, .
Philadelphia PA

STANDARD DISCLAIMER applies:
<You fill it in>

[mike II]

Roy Jose Lorr wrote:

> I am the one who tells Jews who despise the God of Moses:
>
> "The beauty of Israel will be restored when people like you
> return to the Sinaitic Covenant you abandoned."

That's what these people are saying. They don't have any use for the
murderous thugs controlling most of Palestine either..

[url]http://www.indybay.org/news/2003/06/1622438.php[/url]



mike