How does Vista perform on an dual proc machine ?

[anonymouse]

I'm particularly interested to know this since all the versions of Windows
I've used appear to freeze whenever there's a problem with a Subsystem I/O
activity such as network acces, disk, etc. I'm assuming that this is a
kernel design issue, since the OS isn't really Multi-tasking but
co-operative tasking.

[Zack Whittaker \(R2 Mentor\)]

Seems to work OK on mine... haven't seen any major performance issues except
actual Vista ones which I've got even on one of my more basic machines.

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--- Original message follows ---
"anonymouse" <anon@microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> I'm particularly interested to know this since all the versions of Windows
> I've used appear to freeze whenever there's a problem with a Subsystem I/O
> activity such as network acces, disk, etc. I'm assuming that this is a
> kernel design issue, since the OS isn't really Multi-tasking but
> co-operative tasking.
>

[Gary Keramidas]

slower than xp

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"anonymouse" <anon@microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> I'm particularly interested to know this since all the versions of Windows
> I've used appear to freeze whenever there's a problem with a Subsystem I/O
> activity such as network acces, disk, etc. I'm assuming that this is a kernel
> design issue, since the OS isn't really Multi-tasking but co-operative
> tasking.
>

[Andre Da Costa [Extended64]]

I have 3.2 GHz HT and its definitely slow.
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"Gary Keramidas" <GKeramidasATmsn.com> wrote in message
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> slower than xp
>
> --
>
>
> Gary
>
>
> "anonymouse" <anon@microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:e0aGQqEQGHA.224@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...

>> I'm particularly interested to know this since all the versions of
>> Windows I've used appear to freeze whenever there's a problem with a
>> Subsystem I/O activity such as network acces, disk, etc. I'm assuming
>> that this is a kernel design issue, since the OS isn't really
>> Multi-tasking but co-operative tasking.
>>

>
>

[Zack Whittaker \(R2 Mentor\)]

Obviously it's slow and all, however I'm probably taking into account the
fact that performance hasn't been set and Glass does take a lot of stuff up.
So probably over all... yeh it's slow for what my machine should be *-)

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"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>I have 3.2 GHz HT and its definitely slow.
> --
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> "Gary Keramidas" <GKeramidasATmsn.com> wrote in message
> news:utHxIhHQGHA.532@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...

>> slower than xp
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>> Gary
>>
>>
>> "anonymouse" <anon@microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:e0aGQqEQGHA.224@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...

>>> I'm particularly interested to know this since all the versions of
>>> Windows I've used appear to freeze whenever there's a problem with a
>>> Subsystem I/O activity such as network acces, disk, etc. I'm assuming
>>> that this is a kernel design issue, since the OS isn't really
>>> Multi-tasking but co-operative tasking.
>>>

>>
>>

>
>

[NoNoBadDog!]

"anonymouse" <anon@microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:e0aGQqEQGHA.224@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...

> I'm particularly interested to know this since all the versions of Windows
> I've used appear to freeze whenever there's a problem with a Subsystem I/O
> activity such as network acces, disk, etc. I'm assuming that this is a
> kernel design issue, since the OS isn't really Multi-tasking but
> co-operative tasking.
>

It will be slower on an Intel Core Duo, faster on an AMD Dual Core. Since
Intel Core Duo procs cannot talk directly to each other, do not have on-die
memory controllers, can't have both L2 caches working at the some time, have
no Hypertransport bus, and have not Direct Connect architecture, they cannot
run the OS as efficiently.
FWIW, the Vista Development team is using AMD Athlon64 processors for its
testbeds...that should tell you something. At the risk of starting a war
here, AMD X2 and Intel Core Duo are significantly different from each other.
In 32 bit, the difference is not very noticeable. With Vista, the difference
in the two architectures is *very* apparent.

Bobby

[The Scientist]

anonymouse wrote:

> I'm particularly interested to know this since all the versions of
> Windows I've used appear to freeze whenever there's a problem with a
> Subsystem I/O activity such as network acces, disk, etc. I'm assuming
> that this is a kernel design issue, since the OS isn't really
> Multi-tasking but co-operative tasking.

Running it on dual 3.06 Xeons and painfully slow but then MCE2005 doesn't
exactly race along either.

[Andre Da Costa [Extended64]]

Yeah, and I accept that, Vista won't be optimized for performance until
around RC1, so I will take it easy on Vista until then. :)
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"Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor)" <admin@zacknet.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Obviously it's slow and all, however I'm probably taking into account the
> fact that performance hasn't been set and Glass does take a lot of stuff
> up. So probably over all... yeh it's slow for what my machine should be
> *-)
>
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> --- Original message follows ---
> "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:%23qaUb7HQGHA.5560@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...

>>I have 3.2 GHz HT and its definitely slow.
>> --
>> --
>> Andre
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>>
>> "Gary Keramidas" <GKeramidasATmsn.com> wrote in message
>> news:utHxIhHQGHA.532@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...

>>> slower than xp
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>> Gary
>>>
>>>
>>> "anonymouse" <anon@microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>> news:e0aGQqEQGHA.224@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>>>> I'm particularly interested to know this since all the versions of
>>>> Windows I've used appear to freeze whenever there's a problem with a
>>>> Subsystem I/O activity such as network acces, disk, etc. I'm assuming
>>>> that this is a kernel design issue, since the OS isn't really
>>>> Multi-tasking but co-operative tasking.
>>>>
>>>
>>>

>>
>>

>
>

[Zack Whittaker \(R2 Mentor\)]

Hehe :o)

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"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Yeah, and I accept that, Vista won't be optimized for performance until
> around RC1, so I will take it easy on Vista until then. :)
> --
> --
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> "Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor)" <admin@zacknet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:OSGLH9JQGHA.3272@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...

>> Obviously it's slow and all, however I'm probably taking into account the
>> fact that performance hasn't been set and Glass does take a lot of stuff
>> up. So probably over all... yeh it's slow for what my machine should be
>> *-)
>>
>> --
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>> of my employer, best friend, mother or cat. Let's be clear on that one!
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>>
>> --- Original message follows ---
>> "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:%23qaUb7HQGHA.5560@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...

>>>I have 3.2 GHz HT and its definitely slow.
>>> --
>>> --
>>> Andre
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>>>
>>> "Gary Keramidas" <GKeramidasATmsn.com> wrote in message
>>> news:utHxIhHQGHA.532@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>>>> slower than xp
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Gary
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "anonymouse" <anon@microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:e0aGQqEQGHA.224@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>>>>> I'm particularly interested to know this since all the versions of
>>>>> Windows I've used appear to freeze whenever there's a problem with a
>>>>> Subsystem I/O activity such as network acces, disk, etc. I'm assuming
>>>>> that this is a kernel design issue, since the OS isn't really
>>>>> Multi-tasking but co-operative tasking.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>

>>
>>

>
>

[Steve Drake]

I am not guru on writing kernel mode things, but I do know that vista has
cancelable io, this is new and I think it may help prevent hangs or will it
make writing drivers easier so they are better, not 100% sure, but I am sure
the answer is only a Google away, I've just done a Google , didn't find much
, but I was at a vista training session a few weeks ago and this was one of
the topics, maybe I have to the name wrong.

I know from my Unix days, that certain hardware does not play well with
multi tasking, LPT ports was one of these, I do think windows is multi
tasking though, maybe its some badly written drivers that has caused you
problems.

I have a dual core, and its working fine, I do get the odd freeze, but.....
is it freezing or is it the GPU drivers going a bit funny. it would be
interesting to write a program that counts, see if that counts drop when it
freezes :).

Steve



"anonymouse" <anon@microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> I'm particularly interested to know this since all the versions of Windows
> I've used appear to freeze whenever there's a problem with a Subsystem I/O
> activity such as network acces, disk, etc. I'm assuming that this is a
> kernel design issue, since the OS isn't really Multi-tasking but
> co-operative tasking.
>

[roman modic]

Hello!

"NoNoBadDog!" <nospam@mymail.net> wrote in message
news:exqkvSKQGHA.964@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...

> It will be slower on an Intel Core Duo, faster on an AMD Dual Core. Since
> Intel Core Duo procs cannot talk directly to each other, do not have
> on-die memory controllers, can't have both L2 caches working at the some
> time, have no Hypertransport bus, and have not Direct Connect
> architecture, they cannot run the OS as efficiently.
> FWIW, the Vista Development team is using AMD Athlon64 processors for its
> testbeds...that should tell you something. At the risk of starting a war
> here, AMD X2 and Intel Core Duo are significantly different from each
> other.

Yep, [url]http://www.neoseeker.com/news/story/5418/[/url]

Unlike the Core Duo, each execution core is not independently clocked nor
powered, so if one core is doing all the work, that means that the other one
is running at maximum speed and voltage the entire time. With the Core Duo,
each core can adjust itself, depending on the application.

Cheers, Roman

[Ed Sproull [MSFT]]

FYI, I forwarded the info from this thread to the Shell's perf team to see
if we are doing testing on dual procs. I just love harassing those folks.
:)

Ed


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"Steve Drake" <steve@_NOSPAMDrakey.co.uk> wrote in message
news:AD676A8D-3191-4CBF-B20A-C34BD550D7BA@microsoft.com...

>I am not guru on writing kernel mode things, but I do know that vista has
>cancelable io, this is new and I think it may help prevent hangs or will it
>make writing drivers easier so they are better, not 100% sure, but I am
>sure the answer is only a Google away, I've just done a Google , didn't
>find much , but I was at a vista training session a few weeks ago and this
>was one of the topics, maybe I have to the name wrong.
>
> I know from my Unix days, that certain hardware does not play well with
> multi tasking, LPT ports was one of these, I do think windows is multi
> tasking though, maybe its some badly written drivers that has caused you
> problems.
>
> I have a dual core, and its working fine, I do get the odd freeze,
> but..... is it freezing or is it the GPU drivers going a bit funny. it
> would be interesting to write a program that counts, see if that counts
> drop when it freezes :).
>
> Steve
>
>
>
> "anonymouse" <anon@microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:e0aGQqEQGHA.224@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...

>> I'm particularly interested to know this since all the versions of
>> Windows I've used appear to freeze whenever there's a problem with a
>> Subsystem I/O activity such as network acces, disk, etc. I'm assuming
>> that this is a kernel design issue, since the OS isn't really
>> Multi-tasking but co-operative tasking.
>>

>

[roman modic]

EDIT (correct link)
[url]http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=2796[/url]

[Andre Da Costa [Extended64]]

Can you get in a word or 2 for me about Perf on P4s with HT? :)
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"Ed Sproull [MSFT]" <edwards@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> FYI, I forwarded the info from this thread to the Shell's perf team to see
> if we are doing testing on dual procs. I just love harassing those folks.
> :)
>
> Ed
>
>
> --
>
> Ed Sproull
> Windows Shell Team
> <std disclaimer>
>
>
> "Steve Drake" <steve@_NOSPAMDrakey.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:AD676A8D-3191-4CBF-B20A-C34BD550D7BA@microsoft.com...

>>I am not guru on writing kernel mode things, but I do know that vista has
>>cancelable io, this is new and I think it may help prevent hangs or will
>>it make writing drivers easier so they are better, not 100% sure, but I am
>>sure the answer is only a Google away, I've just done a Google , didn't
>>find much , but I was at a vista training session a few weeks ago and this
>>was one of the topics, maybe I have to the name wrong.
>>
>> I know from my Unix days, that certain hardware does not play well with
>> multi tasking, LPT ports was one of these, I do think windows is multi
>> tasking though, maybe its some badly written drivers that has caused you
>> problems.
>>
>> I have a dual core, and its working fine, I do get the odd freeze,
>> but..... is it freezing or is it the GPU drivers going a bit funny. it
>> would be interesting to write a program that counts, see if that counts
>> drop when it freezes :).
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>>
>> "anonymouse" <anon@microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:e0aGQqEQGHA.224@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...

>>> I'm particularly interested to know this since all the versions of
>>> Windows I've used appear to freeze whenever there's a problem with a
>>> Subsystem I/O activity such as network acces, disk, etc. I'm assuming
>>> that this is a kernel design issue, since the OS isn't really
>>> Multi-tasking but co-operative tasking.
>>>

>>

>
>

[R. McCarty]

The latest Vista runs very well on my Core-Duo notebook. No
issues with performance, don't know if "Lightning Fast" sums it
up, but it's fast.

"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:e%23ieN4WQGHA.2888@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...

> Can you get in a word or 2 for me about Perf on P4s with HT? :)
> --
> --
> Andre
> Windows Connect | [url]http://www.windowsconnected.com[/url]
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>
> "Ed Sproull [MSFT]" <edwards@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:uOkNUJUQGHA.964@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...

>> FYI, I forwarded the info from this thread to the Shell's perf team to
>> see if we are doing testing on dual procs. I just love harassing those
>> folks. :)
>>
>> Ed
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Ed Sproull
>> Windows Shell Team
>> <std disclaimer>
>>
>>
>> "Steve Drake" <steve@_NOSPAMDrakey.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:AD676A8D-3191-4CBF-B20A-C34BD550D7BA@microsoft.com...

>>>I am not guru on writing kernel mode things, but I do know that vista has
>>>cancelable io, this is new and I think it may help prevent hangs or will
>>>it make writing drivers easier so they are better, not 100% sure, but I
>>>am sure the answer is only a Google away, I've just done a Google ,
>>>didn't find much , but I was at a vista training session a few weeks ago
>>>and this was one of the topics, maybe I have to the name wrong.
>>>
>>> I know from my Unix days, that certain hardware does not play well with
>>> multi tasking, LPT ports was one of these, I do think windows is multi
>>> tasking though, maybe its some badly written drivers that has caused you
>>> problems.
>>>
>>> I have a dual core, and its working fine, I do get the odd freeze,
>>> but..... is it freezing or is it the GPU drivers going a bit funny. it
>>> would be interesting to write a program that counts, see if that counts
>>> drop when it freezes :).
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "anonymouse" <anon@microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>> news:e0aGQqEQGHA.224@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>>>> I'm particularly interested to know this since all the versions of
>>>> Windows I've used appear to freeze whenever there's a problem with a
>>>> Subsystem I/O activity such as network acces, disk, etc. I'm assuming
>>>> that this is a kernel design issue, since the OS isn't really
>>>> Multi-tasking but co-operative tasking.
>>>>
>>>

>>
>>

>
>

[NoNoBadDog!]

"roman modic" <modicr@astral-it.com> wrote in message
news:uwaCKGUQGHA.3924@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...

> Hello!
>
> "NoNoBadDog!" <nospam@mymail.net> wrote in message
> news:exqkvSKQGHA.964@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...

>> It will be slower on an Intel Core Duo, faster on an AMD Dual Core.
>> Since Intel Core Duo procs cannot talk directly to each other, do not
>> have on-die memory controllers, can't have both L2 caches working at the
>> some time, have no Hypertransport bus, and have not Direct Connect
>> architecture, they cannot run the OS as efficiently.
>> FWIW, the Vista Development team is using AMD Athlon64 processors for its
>> testbeds...that should tell you something. At the risk of starting a war
>> here, AMD X2 and Intel Core Duo are significantly different from each
>> other.

>
> Yep, [url]http://www.neoseeker.com/news/story/5418/[/url]
>

> Unlike the Core Duo, each execution core is not independently clocked nor
> powered, so if one core is doing all the work, that means that the other
> one is running at maximum speed and voltage the entire time. With the Core
> Duo, each core can adjust itself, depending on the application.
>

>
> Cheers, Roman
>

Two response;

The Intel Core Duo will still be slower due to the latencies introduced by
the cores continuing to use the Northbridge chip for internal I/O.

Intel Core Duo cores are independently powered due to the fact that they are
multicore, and not dual core. Intel does not manufacture dual cores. They
fuse two single core chips into a single die. Only one core and one L2 cache
can use the Northbridge per clock cycle, because they do not have a crossbar
for internal communications ala AMD. Intel chips continue to use the same
old tired motherboard architecture they have had for 8 years.

One only has to look beyond the smoke that Intel produces, read the head to
head tests, and the superior technology will be readily apparent.

If you would look at the issue with an open mind, you would see that Intel
has an inferior design, and until it begins to build processors that are not
tied to a Northbridge FSB, they will continue to lag behind....

Bobby

[roman modic]

Hello again!

"NoNoBadDog!" <nospam@mymail.net> wrote in message
news:%23EqR4uXQGHA.964@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...

>

>> one is running at maximum speed and voltage the entire time. With the
>> Core Duo, each core can adjust itself, depending on the application.
>>

>>

> Two response;
>
> The Intel Core Duo will still be slower due to the latencies introduced
> by the cores continuing to use the Northbridge chip for internal I/O.
>
> Intel Core Duo cores are independently powered due to the fact that they
> are multicore, and not dual core. Intel does not manufacture dual cores.
> They fuse two single core chips into a single die. Only one core and one
> L2 cache can use the Northbridge per clock cycle, because they do not have
> a crossbar for internal communications ala AMD. Intel chips continue to
> use the same old tired motherboard architecture they have had for 8 years.
>
> One only has to look beyond the smoke that Intel produces, read the head
> to head tests, and the superior technology will be readily apparent.
>
> If you would look at the issue with an open mind, you would see that Intel
> has an inferior design, and until it begins to build processors that are
> not tied to a Northbridge FSB, they will continue to lag behind....[/quote]

I have nothing against AMD. In fact I use AMD Duron 1300 at work
and Sempron 32 2600+ at home. (The last Intel was 350 Pentium II).
IMHO for desktop PCs AMD CPUs are in most cases more suitable.
For laptops I'm not so sure...

Anyhow, I plan that my next CPU purchase will be 64-bit dual-dore
processor with virtualization support ("Ring -1"):
[url]http://www.itarchitect.com/shared/printableArticle.jhtml?articleID=172302134[/url]
Do you know if AMD will release such CPU with 939 socket?

Best regards, Roman

[Andre Da Costa [Extended64]]

You have one of those already? I thought Apple gobbled up all of them for
their MacBook Pro's. :-)
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"R. McCarty" <PcEngWork-NoSpam_@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> The latest Vista runs very well on my Core-Duo notebook. No
> issues with performance, don't know if "Lightning Fast" sums it
> up, but it's fast.
>
> "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:e%23ieN4WQGHA.2888@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...

>> Can you get in a word or 2 for me about Perf on P4s with HT? :)
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>> Andre
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>> "Ed Sproull [MSFT]" <edwards@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:uOkNUJUQGHA.964@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...

>>> FYI, I forwarded the info from this thread to the Shell's perf team to
>>> see if we are doing testing on dual procs. I just love harassing those
>>> folks. :)
>>>
>>> Ed
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Ed Sproull
>>> Windows Shell Team
>>> <std disclaimer>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Steve Drake" <steve@_NOSPAMDrakey.co.uk> wrote in message
>>> news:AD676A8D-3191-4CBF-B20A-C34BD550D7BA@microsoft.com...
>>>>I am not guru on writing kernel mode things, but I do know that vista
>>>>has cancelable io, this is new and I think it may help prevent hangs or
>>>>will it make writing drivers easier so they are better, not 100% sure,
>>>>but I am sure the answer is only a Google away, I've just done a Google
>>>>, didn't find much , but I was at a vista training session a few weeks
>>>>ago and this was one of the topics, maybe I have to the name wrong.
>>>>
>>>> I know from my Unix days, that certain hardware does not play well with
>>>> multi tasking, LPT ports was one of these, I do think windows is multi
>>>> tasking though, maybe its some badly written drivers that has caused
>>>> you problems.
>>>>
>>>> I have a dual core, and its working fine, I do get the odd freeze,
>>>> but..... is it freezing or is it the GPU drivers going a bit funny. it
>>>> would be interesting to write a program that counts, see if that counts
>>>> drop when it freezes :).
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "anonymouse" <anon@microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:e0aGQqEQGHA.224@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>>>>> I'm particularly interested to know this since all the versions of
>>>>> Windows I've used appear to freeze whenever there's a problem with a
>>>>> Subsystem I/O activity such as network acces, disk, etc. I'm assuming
>>>>> that this is a kernel design issue, since the OS isn't really
>>>>> Multi-tasking but co-operative tasking.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>

>>
>>

>
>

[R. McCarty]

Long story - around Christmas was shopping a new notebook. 1st
choice, Toshiba Satellite ( Bad ! - Drive way too hot). After a couple
of months of testing I opted for the Sony Vaio VGN-550. Decided
to go ahead and get a Core-Duo unit to get a little longer life-cycle.
So far, not disappointed with any aspect of it. Ships with 1.0 Gig of
RAM and may eventually take it up to the full 2.0 Gig capability. An
all-around good choice. However, for serious gaming it would be
better to go with their SZ series that has dedicated video GPU and
not the Intel 945 chipset based video. I could write an article about
the "Search" for the notebook - must have looked at more than 60+
models from most all the major vendors. Took a USB thumb drive
around to all the Retail stores to run tests on them. No store told me
to quit, but Circuit City wasn't too happy about me going from PC
to PC and making notes. Had more than a few customers who where
watching and asked for some advice based on my testing. Temps are
a big consideration for me and the Vaio stays nice & cool, even under
some heavy loading.

"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> You have one of those already? I thought Apple gobbled up all of them for
> their MacBook Pro's. :-)
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> Andre
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>
> "R. McCarty" <PcEngWork-NoSpam_@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:%23cFUlIXQGHA.5248@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...

>> The latest Vista runs very well on my Core-Duo notebook. No
>> issues with performance, don't know if "Lightning Fast" sums it
>> up, but it's fast.
>>
>> "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:e%23ieN4WQGHA.2888@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...

>>> Can you get in a word or 2 for me about Perf on P4s with HT? :)
>>> --
>>> --
>>> Andre
>>> Windows Connect | [url]http://www.windowsconnected.com[/url]
>>> Extended64 | [url]http://www.extended64.com[/url]
>>> Blog | [url]http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre[/url]
>>> [url]http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta[/url]
>>>
>>> "Ed Sproull [MSFT]" <edwards@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>> news:uOkNUJUQGHA.964@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>>> FYI, I forwarded the info from this thread to the Shell's perf team to
>>>> see if we are doing testing on dual procs. I just love harassing those
>>>> folks. :)
>>>>
>>>> Ed
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Ed Sproull
>>>> Windows Shell Team
>>>> <std disclaimer>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Steve Drake" <steve@_NOSPAMDrakey.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>> news:AD676A8D-3191-4CBF-B20A-C34BD550D7BA@microsoft.com...
>>>>>I am not guru on writing kernel mode things, but I do know that vista
>>>>>has cancelable io, this is new and I think it may help prevent hangs or
>>>>>will it make writing drivers easier so they are better, not 100% sure,
>>>>>but I am sure the answer is only a Google away, I've just done a Google
>>>>>, didn't find much , but I was at a vista training session a few weeks
>>>>>ago and this was one of the topics, maybe I have to the name wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>> I know from my Unix days, that certain hardware does not play well
>>>>> with multi tasking, LPT ports was one of these, I do think windows is
>>>>> multi tasking though, maybe its some badly written drivers that has
>>>>> caused you problems.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a dual core, and its working fine, I do get the odd freeze,
>>>>> but..... is it freezing or is it the GPU drivers going a bit funny. it
>>>>> would be interesting to write a program that counts, see if that
>>>>> counts drop when it freezes :).
>>>>>
>>>>> Steve
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "anonymouse" <anon@microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:e0aGQqEQGHA.224@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> I'm particularly interested to know this since all the versions of
>>>>>> Windows I've used appear to freeze whenever there's a problem with a
>>>>>> Subsystem I/O activity such as network acces, disk, etc. I'm assuming
>>>>>> that this is a kernel design issue, since the OS isn't really
>>>>>> Multi-tasking but co-operative tasking.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>

>>
>>

>
>

[NoNoBadDog!]

"roman modic" <modicr@astral-it.com> wrote in message
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> Hello again!
>
> "NoNoBadDog!" <nospam@mymail.net> wrote in message
> news:%23EqR4uXQGHA.964@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...

>>

>>> one is running at maximum speed and voltage the entire time. With the
>>> Core Duo, each core can adjust itself, depending on the application.
>>>

>>>

>> Two response;
>>
>> The Intel Core Duo will still be slower due to the latencies introduced
>> by the cores continuing to use the Northbridge chip for internal I/O.
>>
>> Intel Core Duo cores are independently powered due to the fact that they
>> are multicore, and not dual core. Intel does not manufacture dual cores.
>> They fuse two single core chips into a single die. Only one core and one
>> L2 cache can use the Northbridge per clock cycle, because they do not
>> have a crossbar for internal communications ala AMD. Intel chips
>> continue to use the same old tired motherboard architecture they have had
>> for 8 years.
>>
>> One only has to look beyond the smoke that Intel produces, read the head
>> to head tests, and the superior technology will be readily apparent.
>>
>> If you would look at the issue with an open mind, you would see that
>> Intel has an inferior design, and until it begins to build processors
>> that are not tied to a Northbridge FSB, they will continue to lag
>> behind....

>
> I have nothing against AMD. In fact I use AMD Duron 1300 at work
> and Sempron 32 2600+ at home. (The last Intel was 350 Pentium II).
> IMHO for desktop PCs AMD CPUs are in most cases more suitable.
> For laptops I'm not so sure...
>
> Anyhow, I plan that my next CPU purchase will be 64-bit dual-dore
> processor with virtualization support ("Ring -1"):
> [url]http://www.itarchitect.com/shared/printableArticle.jhtml?articleID=172302134[/url]
> Do you know if AMD will release such CPU with 939 socket?
>
> Best regards, Roman[/quote]

Roman;

The new crop of AM2 and S1 procs will support Pacifica, which is a better
virtualization than the Intel scheme.

Bobby

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