IBM switching to Linux destops in Germany according to a Linux Forum 2006

[Chhan Rithy]

Dear all,
IBM switching to Linux destops in Germany according to a Linux Forum 2006.
How do you think about this? It means IBM is not upgrade to Vista!

[Zack Whittaker \(R2 Mentor\)]

Well, they might well be using a form of Linux so that they can customise
the OS to exactly how it suits them... and to be fair, Linux is probably
more secure in the sense that it doesn't have to be updated every few days
because of security flaws etc.

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"Chhan Rithy" <012973110@mobitel.com.kh> wrote in message
news:OGci079QGHA.5248@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...

> Dear all,
> IBM switching to Linux destops in Germany according to a Linux Forum 2006.
> How do you think about this? It means IBM is not upgrade to Vista!
>

[Andre Da Costa [Extended64]]

Windows does not have to be updated every few days, where did you get that
from? The reason why IBM didn't renew their contract with Microsoft was
simply because Linux is a part of their over all strategy and they want to
embrace in every way possible. Also, they are not forcing their employees to
move to Linux, they can still stick with current versions of Windows, just
that they won't have an option to upgrade on IBMs expense.

Novell has also done this, so its not really a surprise, plus, IBM is not in
the PC business anymore, its all about Server hardware, Services, software
such as IBM Workplace, Notes/Domino and AIX. So in conclusion, I would say,
surprising, I would say "What took them so long?"
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"Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor)" <admin@zacknet.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Well, they might well be using a form of Linux so that they can customise
> the OS to exactly how it suits them... and to be fair, Linux is probably
> more secure in the sense that it doesn't have to be updated every few days
> because of security flaws etc.
>
> --
> Zack Whittaker
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>
>
> --- Original message follows ---
> "Chhan Rithy" <012973110@mobitel.com.kh> wrote in message
> news:OGci079QGHA.5248@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...

>> Dear all,
>> IBM switching to Linux destops in Germany according to a Linux Forum
>> 2006. How do you think about this? It means IBM is not upgrade to Vista!
>>

>
>

[Adahn]

> Well, they might well be using a form of Linux so that they can customise

> the OS to exactly how it suits them... and to be fair, Linux is probably
> more secure in the sense that it doesn't have to be updated every few days
> because of security flaws etc.

No it's every few hours over there :)

which of course is, in principle, the primary attraction of "open-source" -
that you don't have to appeal to some mystic court of sages and wait on them
in order to implement anything :)

[nubian]

Andre Da Costa [Extended64] wrote:

> Windows does not have to be updated every few days, where did you get that
> from? The reason why IBM didn't renew their contract with Microsoft was
> simply because Linux is a part of their over all strategy and they want to
> embrace in every way possible. Also, they are not forcing their employees to
> move to Linux, they can still stick with current versions of Windows, just
> that they won't have an option to upgrade on IBMs expense.
>
> Novell has also done this, so its not really a surprise, plus, IBM is not in
> the PC business anymore, its all about Server hardware, Services, software
> such as IBM Workplace, Notes/Domino and AIX. So in conclusion, I would say,
> surprising, I would say "What took them so long?"

After all, IBM never has put a Windows key on their desktops or laptops.
(Lenovo hasn't done this yet either.) It seems that IBM has not laid
down the olive branch since OS/2 Warp days. It's just my opinion, but I
have always preferred alternate OSes to Windows. Not to say that
Windows doesn't have it's place. I suppose it is even possible that
Vista may succeed in things that past versions of Windows have not, but
I am a skeptic.

[Andre Da Costa [Extended64]]

It seems that IBM has not laid down the olive branch since OS/2 Warp days.

I made a similar comment on my MSN Space about this story. IBM is obviously
still keeping malice over what happened with Windows 95 and MS delaying them
access to the software. So, in a way, its pay back time. But, I think that
payback time is probably bit too late, with nearly 1 billion Windows users
and counting, 100,000 IBM employees moving to Linux is nothing more than a
fart in the wind to MS.
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"nubian" <nubian@#.not> wrote in message news:duqsvm$q60$1@emma.aioe.org...

> Andre Da Costa [Extended64] wrote:

>> Windows does not have to be updated every few days, where did you get
>> that from? The reason why IBM didn't renew their contract with Microsoft
>> was simply because Linux is a part of their over all strategy and they
>> want to embrace in every way possible. Also, they are not forcing their
>> employees to move to Linux, they can still stick with current versions of
>> Windows, just that they won't have an option to upgrade on IBMs expense.
>>
>> Novell has also done this, so its not really a surprise, plus, IBM is not
>> in the PC business anymore, its all about Server hardware, Services,
>> software such as IBM Workplace, Notes/Domino and AIX. So in conclusion, I
>> would say, surprising, I would say "What took them so long?"

>
> After all, IBM never has put a Windows key on their desktops or laptops.
> (Lenovo hasn't done this yet either.) It seems that IBM has not laid down
> the olive branch since OS/2 Warp days. It's just my opinion, but I have
> always preferred alternate OSes to Windows. Not to say that Windows
> doesn't have it's place. I suppose it is even possible that Vista may
> succeed in things that past versions of Windows have not, but I am a
> skeptic.

[Zack Whittaker \(R2 Mentor\)]

Oh course it does, all the bloody time... update this, update that, Windows
Defender definitions this, security fix that...

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"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Windows does not have to be updated every few days, where did you get that
> from? The reason why IBM didn't renew their contract with Microsoft was
> simply because Linux is a part of their over all strategy and they want to
> embrace in every way possible. Also, they are not forcing their employees
> to move to Linux, they can still stick with current versions of Windows,
> just that they won't have an option to upgrade on IBMs expense.
>
> Novell has also done this, so its not really a surprise, plus, IBM is not
> in the PC business anymore, its all about Server hardware, Services,
> software such as IBM Workplace, Notes/Domino and AIX. So in conclusion, I
> would say, surprising, I would say "What took them so long?"
> --
> --
> Andre
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>
> "Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor)" <admin@zacknet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:etJMJC%23QGHA.3972@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...

>> Well, they might well be using a form of Linux so that they can customise
>> the OS to exactly how it suits them... and to be fair, Linux is probably
>> more secure in the sense that it doesn't have to be updated every few
>> days because of security flaws etc.
>>
>> --
>> Zack Whittaker
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>> not
>> of my employer, best friend, mother or cat. Let's be clear on that one!
>>
>>
>> --- Original message follows ---
>> "Chhan Rithy" <012973110@mobitel.com.kh> wrote in message
>> news:OGci079QGHA.5248@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...

>>> Dear all,
>>> IBM switching to Linux destops in Germany according to a Linux Forum
>>> 2006. How do you think about this? It means IBM is not upgrade to Vista!
>>>

>>
>>

>
>

[Andre Da Costa [Extended64]]

Windows Defender patches are usually released on thursdays, month Windows
patches, on Tuesdays. That is not all the time, and there is a thing called
Automatic updates that MS piorneered, so it updates the system in the
background. Get your facts straight Zack.
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"Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor)" <admin@zacknet.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Oh course it does, all the bloody time... update this, update that,
> Windows Defender definitions this, security fix that...
>
> --
> Zack Whittaker
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>
> --- Original message follows ---
> "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:uHpXxH%23QGHA.2300@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...

>> Windows does not have to be updated every few days, where did you get
>> that from? The reason why IBM didn't renew their contract with Microsoft
>> was simply because Linux is a part of their over all strategy and they
>> want to embrace in every way possible. Also, they are not forcing their
>> employees to move to Linux, they can still stick with current versions of
>> Windows, just that they won't have an option to upgrade on IBMs expense.
>>
>> Novell has also done this, so its not really a surprise, plus, IBM is not
>> in the PC business anymore, its all about Server hardware, Services,
>> software such as IBM Workplace, Notes/Domino and AIX. So in conclusion, I
>> would say, surprising, I would say "What took them so long?"
>> --
>> --
>> Andre
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>>
>> "Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor)" <admin@zacknet.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:etJMJC%23QGHA.3972@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...

>>> Well, they might well be using a form of Linux so that they can
>>> customise the OS to exactly how it suits them... and to be fair, Linux
>>> is probably more secure in the sense that it doesn't have to be updated
>>> every few days because of security flaws etc.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Zack Whittaker
>>> Microsoft Beta (Windows Server R2 Beta Mentor)
>>> » ZackNET Enterprises: [url]www.zacknet.co.uk[/url]
>>> » MSBlog on ResDev: [url]http://msblog.resdev.net[/url]
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>>> » VistaBase: [url]www.zacknet.co.uk/vistabase[/url]
>>> » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no
>>> rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and
>>> not
>>> of my employer, best friend, mother or cat. Let's be clear on that one!
>>>
>>>
>>> --- Original message follows ---
>>> "Chhan Rithy" <012973110@mobitel.com.kh> wrote in message
>>> news:OGci079QGHA.5248@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>>>> Dear all,
>>>> IBM switching to Linux destops in Germany according to a Linux Forum
>>>> 2006. How do you think about this? It means IBM is not upgrade to
>>>> Vista!
>>>>
>>>
>>>

>>
>>

>
>

[Zack Whittaker \(R2 Mentor\)]

Oh shut up. Every few bloody days there's a popup for Windows Defender, that
doesn't install properly on any of my machines and keeps repeating the same
update again and again. I don't like "automatic" updates, as I prefer to see
what's going on, when and where. I don't think that's too much to ask.

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--- Original message follows ---
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:uCVVWNERGHA.4608@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...

> Windows Defender patches are usually released on thursdays, month Windows
> patches, on Tuesdays. That is not all the time, and there is a thing
> called Automatic updates that MS piorneered, so it updates the system in
> the background. Get your facts straight Zack.
> --
> --
> Andre
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>
> "Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor)" <admin@zacknet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:Oa7LUxARGHA.4344@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...

>> Oh course it does, all the bloody time... update this, update that,
>> Windows Defender definitions this, security fix that...
>>
>> --
>> Zack Whittaker
>> Microsoft Beta (Windows Server R2 Beta Mentor)
>> » ZackNET Enterprises: [url]www.zacknet.co.uk[/url]
>> » MSBlog on ResDev: [url]http://msblog.resdev.net[/url]
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>> » VistaBase: [url]www.zacknet.co.uk/vistabase[/url]
>> » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no
>> rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and
>> not
>> of my employer, best friend, mother or cat. Let's be clear on that one!
>>
>>
>> --- Original message follows ---
>> "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:uHpXxH%23QGHA.2300@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...

>>> Windows does not have to be updated every few days, where did you get
>>> that from? The reason why IBM didn't renew their contract with Microsoft
>>> was simply because Linux is a part of their over all strategy and they
>>> want to embrace in every way possible. Also, they are not forcing their
>>> employees to move to Linux, they can still stick with current versions
>>> of Windows, just that they won't have an option to upgrade on IBMs
>>> expense.
>>>
>>> Novell has also done this, so its not really a surprise, plus, IBM is
>>> not in the PC business anymore, its all about Server hardware, Services,
>>> software such as IBM Workplace, Notes/Domino and AIX. So in conclusion,
>>> I would say, surprising, I would say "What took them so long?"
>>> --
>>> --
>>> Andre
>>> Windows Connect | [url]http://www.windowsconnected.com[/url]
>>> Extended64 | [url]http://www.extended64.com[/url]
>>> Blog | [url]http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre[/url]
>>> [url]http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta[/url]
>>>
>>> "Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor)" <admin@zacknet.co.uk> wrote in message
>>> news:etJMJC%23QGHA.3972@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>>>> Well, they might well be using a form of Linux so that they can
>>>> customise the OS to exactly how it suits them... and to be fair, Linux
>>>> is probably more secure in the sense that it doesn't have to be updated
>>>> every few days because of security flaws etc.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Zack Whittaker
>>>> Microsoft Beta (Windows Server R2 Beta Mentor)
>>>> » ZackNET Enterprises: [url]www.zacknet.co.uk[/url]
>>>> » MSBlog on ResDev: [url]http://msblog.resdev.net[/url]
>>>> » ZackNET Forum: [url]www.zacknet.co.uk/forum[/url]
>>>> » VistaBase: [url]www.zacknet.co.uk/vistabase[/url]
>>>> » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no
>>>> rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so,
>>>> and not
>>>> of my employer, best friend, mother or cat. Let's be clear on that one!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --- Original message follows ---
>>>> "Chhan Rithy" <012973110@mobitel.com.kh> wrote in message
>>>> news:OGci079QGHA.5248@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>> IBM switching to Linux destops in Germany according to a Linux Forum
>>>>> 2006. How do you think about this? It means IBM is not upgrade to
>>>>> Vista!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>

>>
>>

>
>

[Mike Williams]

Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor) wrote:

> Oh shut up. Every few bloody days there's a popup for Windows Defender, that
> doesn't install properly on any of my machines and keeps repeating the same
> update again and again. I don't like "automatic" updates, as I prefer to see
> what's going on, when and where. I don't think that's too much to ask.
>

Same experience on my machine. All updates are supposed to download and
install by themselves. The Defender updates only download but never install.

[Zack Whittaker \(R2 Mentor\)]

I reported it in as a bug, but it's just whether they end up fixing it or
not... eeshk!

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--- Original message follows ---
"Mike Williams" <mikew@m-v-p-s.org.null> wrote in message
news:44119CA6.3030507@m-v-p-s.org.null...

> Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor) wrote:

>> Oh shut up. Every few bloody days there's a popup for Windows Defender,
>> that doesn't install properly on any of my machines and keeps repeating
>> the same update again and again. I don't like "automatic" updates, as I
>> prefer to see what's going on, when and where. I don't think that's too
>> much to ask.
>>

>
> Same experience on my machine. All updates are supposed to download and
> install by themselves. The Defender updates only download but never
> install.

[Test Man]

Well to be fair it IS a beta.

So fact is, it's expected.

"Mike Williams" <mikew@m-v-p-s.org.null> wrote in message
news:44119CA6.3030507@m-v-p-s.org.null...

> Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor) wrote:

>> Oh shut up. Every few bloody days there's a popup for Windows Defender,
>> that doesn't install properly on any of my machines and keeps repeating
>> the same update again and again. I don't like "automatic" updates, as I
>> prefer to see what's going on, when and where. I don't think that's too
>> much to ask.
>>

>
> Same experience on my machine. All updates are supposed to download and
> install by themselves. The Defender updates only download but never
> install.

[Mike Williams]

Test Man wrote:

> Well to be fair it IS a beta.
>
> So fact is, it's expected.

Bugs are expected. Individual issues, almost by definition, are not.

Even with the beta status, Microsoft is inviting paid subscriptions for
OneCare. Rather premature!

[Andre Da Costa [Extended64]]

You are a liar Zack, and you should be ashamed for spreading false rumors. I
proved it again too:
"Every few bloody days there's a popup for Windows Defender"
There is no icon popping up for Windows Defender on Vista, if there are
updates, its represented by the Windows Update icon in the notification
area, you have to open it to really see if its definitions or driver
updates.

If you are seeing the Windows Defender brick wall icon in the Windows XP,
the thats a different story, you are not suppose to bug WD for XP issues
under BETA client, do that in the microsoft.private.security.spyware.general
ngs.

I am not saying both products have issues, but don't make up stuff, you have
not thoroughly investigated how the product functions and putting it in a
bad light when half of what you are saying is not true.
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"Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor)" <admin@zacknet.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Oh shut up. Every few bloody days there's a popup for Windows Defender,
> that doesn't install properly on any of my machines and keeps repeating
> the same update again and again. I don't like "automatic" updates, as I
> prefer to see what's going on, when and where. I don't think that's too
> much to ask.
>
> --
> Zack Whittaker
> Microsoft Beta (Windows Server R2 Beta Mentor)
> » ZackNET Enterprises: [url]www.zacknet.co.uk[/url]
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> not
> of my employer, best friend, mother or cat. Let's be clear on that one!
>
>
> --- Original message follows ---
> "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:uCVVWNERGHA.4608@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...

>> Windows Defender patches are usually released on thursdays, month Windows
>> patches, on Tuesdays. That is not all the time, and there is a thing
>> called Automatic updates that MS piorneered, so it updates the system in
>> the background. Get your facts straight Zack.
>> --
>> --
>> Andre
>> Windows Connect | [url]http://www.windowsconnected.com[/url]
>> Extended64 | [url]http://www.extended64.com[/url]
>> Blog | [url]http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre[/url]
>> [url]http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta[/url]
>>
>> "Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor)" <admin@zacknet.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:Oa7LUxARGHA.4344@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...

>>> Oh course it does, all the bloody time... update this, update that,
>>> Windows Defender definitions this, security fix that...
>>>
>>> --
>>> Zack Whittaker
>>> Microsoft Beta (Windows Server R2 Beta Mentor)
>>> » ZackNET Enterprises: [url]www.zacknet.co.uk[/url]
>>> » MSBlog on ResDev: [url]http://msblog.resdev.net[/url]
>>> » ZackNET Forum: [url]www.zacknet.co.uk/forum[/url]
>>> » VistaBase: [url]www.zacknet.co.uk/vistabase[/url]
>>> » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no
>>> rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and
>>> not
>>> of my employer, best friend, mother or cat. Let's be clear on that one!
>>>
>>>
>>> --- Original message follows ---
>>> "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:uHpXxH%23QGHA.2300@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>>>> Windows does not have to be updated every few days, where did you get
>>>> that from? The reason why IBM didn't renew their contract with
>>>> Microsoft was simply because Linux is a part of their over all strategy
>>>> and they want to embrace in every way possible. Also, they are not
>>>> forcing their employees to move to Linux, they can still stick with
>>>> current versions of Windows, just that they won't have an option to
>>>> upgrade on IBMs expense.
>>>>
>>>> Novell has also done this, so its not really a surprise, plus, IBM is
>>>> not in the PC business anymore, its all about Server hardware,
>>>> Services, software such as IBM Workplace, Notes/Domino and AIX. So in
>>>> conclusion, I would say, surprising, I would say "What took them so
>>>> long?"
>>>> --
>>>> --
>>>> Andre
>>>> Windows Connect | [url]http://www.windowsconnected.com[/url]
>>>> Extended64 | [url]http://www.extended64.com[/url]
>>>> Blog | [url]http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre[/url]
>>>> [url]http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta[/url]
>>>>
>>>> "Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor)" <admin@zacknet.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>> news:etJMJC%23QGHA.3972@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Well, they might well be using a form of Linux so that they can
>>>>> customise the OS to exactly how it suits them... and to be fair, Linux
>>>>> is probably more secure in the sense that it doesn't have to be
>>>>> updated every few days because of security flaws etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Zack Whittaker
>>>>> Microsoft Beta (Windows Server R2 Beta Mentor)
>>>>> » ZackNET Enterprises: [url]www.zacknet.co.uk[/url]
>>>>> » MSBlog on ResDev: [url]http://msblog.resdev.net[/url]
>>>>> » ZackNET Forum: [url]www.zacknet.co.uk/forum[/url]
>>>>> » VistaBase: [url]www.zacknet.co.uk/vistabase[/url]
>>>>> » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no
>>>>> rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so,
>>>>> and not
>>>>> of my employer, best friend, mother or cat. Let's be clear on that
>>>>> one!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --- Original message follows ---
>>>>> "Chhan Rithy" <012973110@mobitel.com.kh> wrote in message
>>>>> news:OGci079QGHA.5248@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>> IBM switching to Linux destops in Germany according to a Linux Forum
>>>>>> 2006. How do you think about this? It means IBM is not upgrade to
>>>>>> Vista!
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>

>>
>>

>
>

[Zack Whittaker \(R2 Mentor\)]

No, again you misrepresented my words. I should have made it much clearer:

> "Every few bloody days there's a popup for Windows Defender"

I should have said:
"Every few bloody days, there is a Windows Update shield icon popping up,
asking to update the definition files for Windows Defender".

And yes, there is - and it IS broken because no matter how many times I
download and install the updates, they keep popping back up. Mike said the
same thing pretty much:
"Same experience on my machine. All updates are supposed to download and
install by themselves. The Defender updates only download but never
install."

I would appreciate it if you didn't call me a liar, and instead asked calmly
for me to clarify what I had said, as it makes you look bad otherwise :o)

--
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Microsoft Beta (Windows Server R2 Beta Mentor)
» ZackNET Enterprises: [url]www.zacknet.co.uk[/url]
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of my employer, best friend, mother or cat. Let's be clear on that one!


--- Original message follows ---
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:OhlhyKHRGHA.5248@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...

> You are a liar Zack, and you should be ashamed for spreading false rumors.
> I proved it again too:
> "Every few bloody days there's a popup for Windows Defender"
> There is no icon popping up for Windows Defender on Vista, if there are
> updates, its represented by the Windows Update icon in the notification
> area, you have to open it to really see if its definitions or driver
> updates.
>
> If you are seeing the Windows Defender brick wall icon in the Windows XP,
> the thats a different story, you are not suppose to bug WD for XP issues
> under BETA client, do that in the
> microsoft.private.security.spyware.general ngs.
>
> I am not saying both products have issues, but don't make up stuff, you
> have not thoroughly investigated how the product functions and putting it
> in a bad light when half of what you are saying is not true.
> --
> --
> Andre
> Windows Connect | [url]http://www.windowsconnected.com[/url]
> Extended64 | [url]http://www.extended64.com[/url]
> Blog | [url]http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre[/url]
> [url]http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta[/url]
>
> "Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor)" <admin@zacknet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:uUEnwbFRGHA.2436@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...

>> Oh shut up. Every few bloody days there's a popup for Windows Defender,
>> that doesn't install properly on any of my machines and keeps repeating
>> the same update again and again. I don't like "automatic" updates, as I
>> prefer to see what's going on, when and where. I don't think that's too
>> much to ask.
>>
>> --
>> Zack Whittaker
>> Microsoft Beta (Windows Server R2 Beta Mentor)
>> » ZackNET Enterprises: [url]www.zacknet.co.uk[/url]
>> » MSBlog on ResDev: [url]http://msblog.resdev.net[/url]
>> » ZackNET Forum: [url]www.zacknet.co.uk/forum[/url]
>> » VistaBase: [url]www.zacknet.co.uk/vistabase[/url]
>> » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no
>> rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and
>> not
>> of my employer, best friend, mother or cat. Let's be clear on that one!
>>
>>
>> --- Original message follows ---
>> "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:uCVVWNERGHA.4608@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...

>>> Windows Defender patches are usually released on thursdays, month
>>> Windows patches, on Tuesdays. That is not all the time, and there is a
>>> thing called Automatic updates that MS piorneered, so it updates the
>>> system in the background. Get your facts straight Zack.
>>> --
>>> --
>>> Andre
>>> Windows Connect | [url]http://www.windowsconnected.com[/url]
>>> Extended64 | [url]http://www.extended64.com[/url]
>>> Blog | [url]http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre[/url]
>>> [url]http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta[/url]
>>>
>>> "Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor)" <admin@zacknet.co.uk> wrote in message
>>> news:Oa7LUxARGHA.4344@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>>>> Oh course it does, all the bloody time... update this, update that,
>>>> Windows Defender definitions this, security fix that...
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Zack Whittaker
>>>> Microsoft Beta (Windows Server R2 Beta Mentor)
>>>> » ZackNET Enterprises: [url]www.zacknet.co.uk[/url]
>>>> » MSBlog on ResDev: [url]http://msblog.resdev.net[/url]
>>>> » ZackNET Forum: [url]www.zacknet.co.uk/forum[/url]
>>>> » VistaBase: [url]www.zacknet.co.uk/vistabase[/url]
>>>> » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no
>>>> rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so,
>>>> and not
>>>> of my employer, best friend, mother or cat. Let's be clear on that one!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --- Original message follows ---
>>>> "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:uHpXxH%23QGHA.2300@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Windows does not have to be updated every few days, where did you get
>>>>> that from? The reason why IBM didn't renew their contract with
>>>>> Microsoft was simply because Linux is a part of their over all
>>>>> strategy and they want to embrace in every way possible. Also, they
>>>>> are not forcing their employees to move to Linux, they can still stick
>>>>> with current versions of Windows, just that they won't have an option
>>>>> to upgrade on IBMs expense.
>>>>>
>>>>> Novell has also done this, so its not really a surprise, plus, IBM is
>>>>> not in the PC business anymore, its all about Server hardware,
>>>>> Services, software such as IBM Workplace, Notes/Domino and AIX. So in
>>>>> conclusion, I would say, surprising, I would say "What took them so
>>>>> long?"
>>>>> --
>>>>> --
>>>>> Andre
>>>>> Windows Connect | [url]http://www.windowsconnected.com[/url]
>>>>> Extended64 | [url]http://www.extended64.com[/url]
>>>>> Blog | [url]http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre[/url]
>>>>> [url]http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta[/url]
>>>>>
>>>>> "Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor)" <admin@zacknet.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>>> news:etJMJC%23QGHA.3972@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> Well, they might well be using a form of Linux so that they can
>>>>>> customise the OS to exactly how it suits them... and to be fair,
>>>>>> Linux is probably more secure in the sense that it doesn't have to be
>>>>>> updated every few days because of security flaws etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Zack Whittaker
>>>>>> Microsoft Beta (Windows Server R2 Beta Mentor)
>>>>>> » ZackNET Enterprises: [url]www.zacknet.co.uk[/url]
>>>>>> » MSBlog on ResDev: [url]http://msblog.resdev.net[/url]
>>>>>> » ZackNET Forum: [url]www.zacknet.co.uk/forum[/url]
>>>>>> » VistaBase: [url]www.zacknet.co.uk/vistabase[/url]
>>>>>> » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no
>>>>>> rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so,
>>>>>> and not
>>>>>> of my employer, best friend, mother or cat. Let's be clear on that
>>>>>> one!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --- Original message follows ---
>>>>>> "Chhan Rithy" <012973110@mobitel.com.kh> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:OGci079QGHA.5248@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>> IBM switching to Linux destops in Germany according to a Linux Forum
>>>>>>> 2006. How do you think about this? It means IBM is not upgrade to
>>>>>>> Vista!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>

>>
>>

>
>

[Andre Da Costa [Extended64]]

That liar means - Get your facts straight.
--
--
Andre
Windows Connect | [url]http://www.windowsconnected.com[/url]
Extended64 | [url]http://www.extended64.com[/url]
Blog | [url]http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre[/url]
[url]http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta[/url]

"Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor)" <admin@zacknet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:%23Tw3f5HRGHA.4956@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...

> No, again you misrepresented my words. I should have made it much clearer:

>> "Every few bloody days there's a popup for Windows Defender"

>
> I should have said:
> "Every few bloody days, there is a Windows Update shield icon popping up,
> asking to update the definition files for Windows Defender".
>
> And yes, there is - and it IS broken because no matter how many times I
> download and install the updates, they keep popping back up. Mike said the
> same thing pretty much:
> "Same experience on my machine. All updates are supposed to download and
> install by themselves. The Defender updates only download but never
> install."
>
> I would appreciate it if you didn't call me a liar, and instead asked
> calmly for me to clarify what I had said, as it makes you look bad
> otherwise :o)
>
> --
> Zack Whittaker
> Microsoft Beta (Windows Server R2 Beta Mentor)
> » ZackNET Enterprises: [url]www.zacknet.co.uk[/url]
> » MSBlog on ResDev: [url]http://msblog.resdev.net[/url]
> » ZackNET Forum: [url]www.zacknet.co.uk/forum[/url]
> » VistaBase: [url]www.zacknet.co.uk/vistabase[/url]
> » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no
> rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and
> not
> of my employer, best friend, mother or cat. Let's be clear on that one!
>
>
> --- Original message follows ---
> "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:OhlhyKHRGHA.5248@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...

>> You are a liar Zack, and you should be ashamed for spreading false
>> rumors. I proved it again too:
>> "Every few bloody days there's a popup for Windows Defender"
>> There is no icon popping up for Windows Defender on Vista, if there are
>> updates, its represented by the Windows Update icon in the notification
>> area, you have to open it to really see if its definitions or driver
>> updates.
>>
>> If you are seeing the Windows Defender brick wall icon in the Windows XP,
>> the thats a different story, you are not suppose to bug WD for XP issues
>> under BETA client, do that in the
>> microsoft.private.security.spyware.general ngs.
>>
>> I am not saying both products have issues, but don't make up stuff, you
>> have not thoroughly investigated how the product functions and putting it
>> in a bad light when half of what you are saying is not true.
>> --
>> --
>> Andre
>> Windows Connect | [url]http://www.windowsconnected.com[/url]
>> Extended64 | [url]http://www.extended64.com[/url]
>> Blog | [url]http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre[/url]
>> [url]http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta[/url]
>>
>> "Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor)" <admin@zacknet.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:uUEnwbFRGHA.2436@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...

>>> Oh shut up. Every few bloody days there's a popup for Windows Defender,
>>> that doesn't install properly on any of my machines and keeps repeating
>>> the same update again and again. I don't like "automatic" updates, as I
>>> prefer to see what's going on, when and where. I don't think that's too
>>> much to ask.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Zack Whittaker
>>> Microsoft Beta (Windows Server R2 Beta Mentor)
>>> » ZackNET Enterprises: [url]www.zacknet.co.uk[/url]
>>> » MSBlog on ResDev: [url]http://msblog.resdev.net[/url]
>>> » ZackNET Forum: [url]www.zacknet.co.uk/forum[/url]
>>> » VistaBase: [url]www.zacknet.co.uk/vistabase[/url]
>>> » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no
>>> rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and
>>> not
>>> of my employer, best friend, mother or cat. Let's be clear on that one!
>>>
>>>
>>> --- Original message follows ---
>>> "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:uCVVWNERGHA.4608@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>>> Windows Defender patches are usually released on thursdays, month
>>>> Windows patches, on Tuesdays. That is not all the time, and there is a
>>>> thing called Automatic updates that MS piorneered, so it updates the
>>>> system in the background. Get your facts straight Zack.
>>>> --
>>>> --
>>>> Andre
>>>> Windows Connect | [url]http://www.windowsconnected.com[/url]
>>>> Extended64 | [url]http://www.extended64.com[/url]
>>>> Blog | [url]http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre[/url]
>>>> [url]http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta[/url]
>>>>
>>>> "Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor)" <admin@zacknet.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>> news:Oa7LUxARGHA.4344@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Oh course it does, all the bloody time... update this, update that,
>>>>> Windows Defender definitions this, security fix that...
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Zack Whittaker
>>>>> Microsoft Beta (Windows Server R2 Beta Mentor)
>>>>> » ZackNET Enterprises: [url]www.zacknet.co.uk[/url]
>>>>> » MSBlog on ResDev: [url]http://msblog.resdev.net[/url]
>>>>> » ZackNET Forum: [url]www.zacknet.co.uk/forum[/url]
>>>>> » VistaBase: [url]www.zacknet.co.uk/vistabase[/url]
>>>>> » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no
>>>>> rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so,
>>>>> and not
>>>>> of my employer, best friend, mother or cat. Let's be clear on that
>>>>> one!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --- Original message follows ---
>>>>> "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:uHpXxH%23QGHA.2300@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> Windows does not have to be updated every few days, where did you get
>>>>>> that from? The reason why IBM didn't renew their contract with
>>>>>> Microsoft was simply because Linux is a part of their over all
>>>>>> strategy and they want to embrace in every way possible. Also, they
>>>>>> are not forcing their employees to move to Linux, they can still
>>>>>> stick with current versions of Windows, just that they won't have an
>>>>>> option to upgrade on IBMs expense.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Novell has also done this, so its not really a surprise, plus, IBM is
>>>>>> not in the PC business anymore, its all about Server hardware,
>>>>>> Services, software such as IBM Workplace, Notes/Domino and AIX. So in
>>>>>> conclusion, I would say, surprising, I would say "What took them so
>>>>>> long?"
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Andre
>>>>>> Windows Connect | [url]http://www.windowsconnected.com[/url]
>>>>>> Extended64 | [url]http://www.extended64.com[/url]
>>>>>> Blog | [url]http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre[/url]
>>>>>> [url]http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta[/url]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor)" <admin@zacknet.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:etJMJC%23QGHA.3972@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> Well, they might well be using a form of Linux so that they can
>>>>>>> customise the OS to exactly how it suits them... and to be fair,
>>>>>>> Linux is probably more secure in the sense that it doesn't have to
>>>>>>> be updated every few days because of security flaws etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Zack Whittaker
>>>>>>> Microsoft Beta (Windows Server R2 Beta Mentor)
>>>>>>> » ZackNET Enterprises: [url]www.zacknet.co.uk[/url]
>>>>>>> » MSBlog on ResDev: [url]http://msblog.resdev.net[/url]
>>>>>>> » ZackNET Forum: [url]www.zacknet.co.uk/forum[/url]
>>>>>>> » VistaBase: [url]www.zacknet.co.uk/vistabase[/url]
>>>>>>> » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers
>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>> rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so,
>>>>>>> and not
>>>>>>> of my employer, best friend, mother or cat. Let's be clear on that
>>>>>>> one!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --- Original message follows ---
>>>>>>> "Chhan Rithy" <012973110@mobitel.com.kh> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:OGci079QGHA.5248@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>> IBM switching to Linux destops in Germany according to a Linux
>>>>>>>> Forum 2006. How do you think about this? It means IBM is not
>>>>>>>> upgrade to Vista!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>

>>
>>

>
>

[Andre Nogueira]

Hi,

Well, it isn't that linear. Both OSes have their strenghts and their
weaknesses. I use and like them both, and they are VERY different in nature.
One isn't better than the other - they are simply different, and both good
at what they're supposed to do. There isn't a better OS - just a better OS
for a given job. What is good for one thing can be bad for another.

Andre Nogueira

"Grok" <grok@no-email.com> wrote in message
news:uFysWXGRGHA.5900@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...

> Chhan Rithy wrote:
> | Dear all,
> | IBM switching to Linux destops in Germany according to a Linux Forum
> 2006.
> | How do you think about this? It means IBM is not upgrade to Vista!
>
> If they want to choose Linux and failure that's their business.
> Personally,
> I'd recommend they reconsider and choose Windows and success.
>
> ---
> Grok
>
>

[Zack Whittaker \(R2 Mentor\)]

I would very much prefer it if you spoke to me in a civil manner, there's no
need to be like that at all. I rushed that post, I should have elaborated
and I apologise for that. It's neither lying nor getting fact's straight - I
should have simple elaborated more and shall continue to write posts for
people and hopefully get more information across so that in future you don't
jump to the wrong conclusion :o)

--
Zack Whittaker
Microsoft Beta (Windows Server R2 Beta Mentor)
» ZackNET Enterprises: [url]www.zacknet.co.uk[/url]
» MSBlog on ResDev: [url]http://msblog.resdev.net[/url]
» ZackNET Forum: [url]www.zacknet.co.uk/forum[/url]
» VistaBase: [url]www.zacknet.co.uk/vistabase[/url]
» This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no
rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and not
of my employer, best friend, mother or cat. Let's be clear on that one!


--- Original message follows ---
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:u0CnFDIRGHA.5468@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...

> That liar means - Get your facts straight.
> --
> --
> Andre
> Windows Connect | [url]http://www.windowsconnected.com[/url]
> Extended64 | [url]http://www.extended64.com[/url]
> Blog | [url]http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre[/url]
> [url]http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta[/url]
>
> "Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor)" <admin@zacknet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:%23Tw3f5HRGHA.4956@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...

>> No, again you misrepresented my words. I should have made it much
>> clearer:

>>> "Every few bloody days there's a popup for Windows Defender"

>>
>> I should have said:
>> "Every few bloody days, there is a Windows Update shield icon popping up,
>> asking to update the definition files for Windows Defender".
>>
>> And yes, there is - and it IS broken because no matter how many times I
>> download and install the updates, they keep popping back up. Mike said
>> the same thing pretty much:
>> "Same experience on my machine. All updates are supposed to download and
>> install by themselves. The Defender updates only download but never
>> install."
>>
>> I would appreciate it if you didn't call me a liar, and instead asked
>> calmly for me to clarify what I had said, as it makes you look bad
>> otherwise :o)
>>
>> --
>> Zack Whittaker
>> Microsoft Beta (Windows Server R2 Beta Mentor)
>> » ZackNET Enterprises: [url]www.zacknet.co.uk[/url]
>> » MSBlog on ResDev: [url]http://msblog.resdev.net[/url]
>> » ZackNET Forum: [url]www.zacknet.co.uk/forum[/url]
>> » VistaBase: [url]www.zacknet.co.uk/vistabase[/url]
>> » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no
>> rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and
>> not
>> of my employer, best friend, mother or cat. Let's be clear on that one!
>>
>>
>> --- Original message follows ---
>> "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:OhlhyKHRGHA.5248@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...

>>> You are a liar Zack, and you should be ashamed for spreading false
>>> rumors. I proved it again too:
>>> "Every few bloody days there's a popup for Windows Defender"
>>> There is no icon popping up for Windows Defender on Vista, if there are
>>> updates, its represented by the Windows Update icon in the notification
>>> area, you have to open it to really see if its definitions or driver
>>> updates.
>>>
>>> If you are seeing the Windows Defender brick wall icon in the Windows
>>> XP, the thats a different story, you are not suppose to bug WD for XP
>>> issues under BETA client, do that in the
>>> microsoft.private.security.spyware.general ngs.
>>>
>>> I am not saying both products have issues, but don't make up stuff, you
>>> have not thoroughly investigated how the product functions and putting
>>> it in a bad light when half of what you are saying is not true.
>>> --
>>> --
>>> Andre
>>> Windows Connect | [url]http://www.windowsconnected.com[/url]
>>> Extended64 | [url]http://www.extended64.com[/url]
>>> Blog | [url]http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre[/url]
>>> [url]http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta[/url]
>>>
>>> "Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor)" <admin@zacknet.co.uk> wrote in message
>>> news:uUEnwbFRGHA.2436@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>>>> Oh shut up. Every few bloody days there's a popup for Windows Defender,
>>>> that doesn't install properly on any of my machines and keeps repeating
>>>> the same update again and again. I don't like "automatic" updates, as I
>>>> prefer to see what's going on, when and where. I don't think that's too
>>>> much to ask.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Zack Whittaker
>>>> Microsoft Beta (Windows Server R2 Beta Mentor)
>>>> » ZackNET Enterprises: [url]www.zacknet.co.uk[/url]
>>>> » MSBlog on ResDev: [url]http://msblog.resdev.net[/url]
>>>> » ZackNET Forum: [url]www.zacknet.co.uk/forum[/url]
>>>> » VistaBase: [url]www.zacknet.co.uk/vistabase[/url]
>>>> » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no
>>>> rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so,
>>>> and not
>>>> of my employer, best friend, mother or cat. Let's be clear on that one!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --- Original message follows ---
>>>> "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:uCVVWNERGHA.4608@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Windows Defender patches are usually released on thursdays, month
>>>>> Windows patches, on Tuesdays. That is not all the time, and there is a
>>>>> thing called Automatic updates that MS piorneered, so it updates the
>>>>> system in the background. Get your facts straight Zack.
>>>>> --
>>>>> --
>>>>> Andre
>>>>> Windows Connect | [url]http://www.windowsconnected.com[/url]
>>>>> Extended64 | [url]http://www.extended64.com[/url]
>>>>> Blog | [url]http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre[/url]
>>>>> [url]http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta[/url]
>>>>>
>>>>> "Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor)" <admin@zacknet.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>>> news:Oa7LUxARGHA.4344@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> Oh course it does, all the bloody time... update this, update that,
>>>>>> Windows Defender definitions this, security fix that...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Zack Whittaker
>>>>>> Microsoft Beta (Windows Server R2 Beta Mentor)
>>>>>> » ZackNET Enterprises: [url]www.zacknet.co.uk[/url]
>>>>>> » MSBlog on ResDev: [url]http://msblog.resdev.net[/url]
>>>>>> » ZackNET Forum: [url]www.zacknet.co.uk/forum[/url]
>>>>>> » VistaBase: [url]www.zacknet.co.uk/vistabase[/url]
>>>>>> » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no
>>>>>> rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so,
>>>>>> and not
>>>>>> of my employer, best friend, mother or cat. Let's be clear on that
>>>>>> one!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --- Original message follows ---
>>>>>> "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:uHpXxH%23QGHA.2300@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> Windows does not have to be updated every few days, where did you
>>>>>>> get that from? The reason why IBM didn't renew their contract with
>>>>>>> Microsoft was simply because Linux is a part of their over all
>>>>>>> strategy and they want to embrace in every way possible. Also, they
>>>>>>> are not forcing their employees to move to Linux, they can still
>>>>>>> stick with current versions of Windows, just that they won't have an
>>>>>>> option to upgrade on IBMs expense.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Novell has also done this, so its not really a surprise, plus, IBM
>>>>>>> is not in the PC business anymore, its all about Server hardware,
>>>>>>> Services, software such as IBM Workplace, Notes/Domino and AIX. So
>>>>>>> in conclusion, I would say, surprising, I would say "What took them
>>>>>>> so long?"
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Andre
>>>>>>> Windows Connect | [url]http://www.windowsconnected.com[/url]
>>>>>>> Extended64 | [url]http://www.extended64.com[/url]
>>>>>>> Blog | [url]http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre[/url]
>>>>>>> [url]http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta[/url]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor)" <admin@zacknet.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:etJMJC%23QGHA.3972@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>> Well, they might well be using a form of Linux so that they can
>>>>>>>> customise the OS to exactly how it suits them... and to be fair,
>>>>>>>> Linux is probably more secure in the sense that it doesn't have to
>>>>>>>> be updated every few days because of security flaws etc.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Zack Whittaker
>>>>>>>> Microsoft Beta (Windows Server R2 Beta Mentor)
>>>>>>>> » ZackNET Enterprises: [url]www.zacknet.co.uk[/url]
>>>>>>>> » MSBlog on ResDev: [url]http://msblog.resdev.net[/url]
>>>>>>>> » ZackNET Forum: [url]www.zacknet.co.uk/forum[/url]
>>>>>>>> » VistaBase: [url]www.zacknet.co.uk/vistabase[/url]
>>>>>>>> » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers
>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>> rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated
>>>>>>>> so, and not
>>>>>>>> of my employer, best friend, mother or cat. Let's be clear on that
>>>>>>>> one!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --- Original message follows ---
>>>>>>>> "Chhan Rithy" <012973110@mobitel.com.kh> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:OGci079QGHA.5248@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>> IBM switching to Linux destops in Germany according to a Linux
>>>>>>>>> Forum 2006. How do you think about this? It means IBM is not
>>>>>>>>> upgrade to Vista!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>

>>
>>

>
>

[Zack Whittaker \(R2 Mentor\)]

Thanks Grok, I think myself and Andre are on fairly equal terms about things
I hope :o)

--
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of my employer, best friend, mother or cat. Let's be clear on that one!


--- Original message follows ---
"Grok" <grok@no-email.com> wrote in message
news:%237QXTGIRGHA.6084@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...

> Andre Da Costa [Extended64] wrote:
> |
>
> The word can hit sensitive people kinda hard. Lying says the person
> deliberately tried to skew the truth to something else that they know is
> not
> true. Often, what really happens is the person doesn't get their facts
> straight or makes a mistake or, even, is misunderstood. That doesn't make
> them a liar.
>
> ---
> Grok
>
>
>

[Andre Nogueira]

Hi Andre,

We are all here to share knowledge and to help eachother, and I don't
believe someone would deliberately give the wrong information.
You might disagree with a certain point of view, and it is even a good
thing! Remember we are here to discuss things in a way we can all profit
from

Andre Nogueira

"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:u0CnFDIRGHA.5468@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...

> That liar means - Get your facts straight.
> --
> --
> Andre
> Windows Connect | [url]http://www.windowsconnected.com[/url]
> Extended64 | [url]http://www.extended64.com[/url]
> Blog | [url]http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre[/url]
> [url]http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta[/url]
>
> "Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor)" <admin@zacknet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:%23Tw3f5HRGHA.4956@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...

>> No, again you misrepresented my words. I should have made it much
>> clearer:

>>> "Every few bloody days there's a popup for Windows Defender"

>>
>> I should have said:
>> "Every few bloody days, there is a Windows Update shield icon popping up,
>> asking to update the definition files for Windows Defender".
>>
>> And yes, there is - and it IS broken because no matter how many times I
>> download and install the updates, they keep popping back up. Mike said
>> the same thing pretty much:
>> "Same experience on my machine. All updates are supposed to download and
>> install by themselves. The Defender updates only download but never
>> install."
>>
>> I would appreciate it if you didn't call me a liar, and instead asked
>> calmly for me to clarify what I had said, as it makes you look bad
>> otherwise :o)
>>
>> --
>> Zack Whittaker
>> Microsoft Beta (Windows Server R2 Beta Mentor)
>> » ZackNET Enterprises: [url]www.zacknet.co.uk[/url]
>> » MSBlog on ResDev: [url]http://msblog.resdev.net[/url]
>> » ZackNET Forum: [url]www.zacknet.co.uk/forum[/url]
>> » VistaBase: [url]www.zacknet.co.uk/vistabase[/url]
>> » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no
>> rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and
>> not
>> of my employer, best friend, mother or cat. Let's be clear on that one!
>>
>>
>> --- Original message follows ---
>> "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:OhlhyKHRGHA.5248@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...

>>> You are a liar Zack, and you should be ashamed for spreading false
>>> rumors. I proved it again too:
>>> "Every few bloody days there's a popup for Windows Defender"
>>> There is no icon popping up for Windows Defender on Vista, if there are
>>> updates, its represented by the Windows Update icon in the notification
>>> area, you have to open it to really see if its definitions or driver
>>> updates.
>>>
>>> If you are seeing the Windows Defender brick wall icon in the Windows
>>> XP, the thats a different story, you are not suppose to bug WD for XP
>>> issues under BETA client, do that in the
>>> microsoft.private.security.spyware.general ngs.
>>>
>>> I am not saying both products have issues, but don't make up stuff, you
>>> have not thoroughly investigated how the product functions and putting
>>> it in a bad light when half of what you are saying is not true.
>>> --
>>> --
>>> Andre
>>> Windows Connect | [url]http://www.windowsconnected.com[/url]
>>> Extended64 | [url]http://www.extended64.com[/url]
>>> Blog | [url]http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre[/url]
>>> [url]http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta[/url]
>>>
>>> "Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor)" <admin@zacknet.co.uk> wrote in message
>>> news:uUEnwbFRGHA.2436@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>>>> Oh shut up. Every few bloody days there's a popup for Windows Defender,
>>>> that doesn't install properly on any of my machines and keeps repeating
>>>> the same update again and again. I don't like "automatic" updates, as I
>>>> prefer to see what's going on, when and where. I don't think that's too
>>>> much to ask.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Zack Whittaker
>>>> Microsoft Beta (Windows Server R2 Beta Mentor)
>>>> » ZackNET Enterprises: [url]www.zacknet.co.uk[/url]
>>>> » MSBlog on ResDev: [url]http://msblog.resdev.net[/url]
>>>> » ZackNET Forum: [url]www.zacknet.co.uk/forum[/url]
>>>> » VistaBase: [url]www.zacknet.co.uk/vistabase[/url]
>>>> » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no
>>>> rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so,
>>>> and not
>>>> of my employer, best friend, mother or cat. Let's be clear on that one!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --- Original message follows ---
>>>> "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:uCVVWNERGHA.4608@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Windows Defender patches are usually released on thursdays, month
>>>>> Windows patches, on Tuesdays. That is not all the time, and there is a
>>>>> thing called Automatic updates that MS piorneered, so it updates the
>>>>> system in the background. Get your facts straight Zack.
>>>>> --
>>>>> --
>>>>> Andre
>>>>> Windows Connect | [url]http://www.windowsconnected.com[/url]
>>>>> Extended64 | [url]http://www.extended64.com[/url]
>>>>> Blog | [url]http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre[/url]
>>>>> [url]http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta[/url]
>>>>>
>>>>> "Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor)" <admin@zacknet.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>>> news:Oa7LUxARGHA.4344@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> Oh course it does, all the bloody time... update this, update that,
>>>>>> Windows Defender definitions this, security fix that...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Zack Whittaker
>>>>>> Microsoft Beta (Windows Server R2 Beta Mentor)
>>>>>> » ZackNET Enterprises: [url]www.zacknet.co.uk[/url]
>>>>>> » MSBlog on ResDev: [url]http://msblog.resdev.net[/url]
>>>>>> » ZackNET Forum: [url]www.zacknet.co.uk/forum[/url]
>>>>>> » VistaBase: [url]www.zacknet.co.uk/vistabase[/url]
>>>>>> » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no
>>>>>> rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so,
>>>>>> and not
>>>>>> of my employer, best friend, mother or cat. Let's be clear on that
>>>>>> one!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --- Original message follows ---
>>>>>> "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:uHpXxH%23QGHA.2300@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> Windows does not have to be updated every few days, where did you
>>>>>>> get that from? The reason why IBM didn't renew their contract with
>>>>>>> Microsoft was simply because Linux is a part of their over all
>>>>>>> strategy and they want to embrace in every way possible. Also, they
>>>>>>> are not forcing their employees to move to Linux, they can still
>>>>>>> stick with current versions of Windows, just that they won't have an
>>>>>>> option to upgrade on IBMs expense.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Novell has also done this, so its not really a surprise, plus, IBM
>>>>>>> is not in the PC business anymore, its all about Server hardware,
>>>>>>> Services, software such as IBM Workplace, Notes/Domino and AIX. So
>>>>>>> in conclusion, I would say, surprising, I would say "What took them
>>>>>>> so long?"
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Andre
>>>>>>> Windows Connect | [url]http://www.windowsconnected.com[/url]
>>>>>>> Extended64 | [url]http://www.extended64.com[/url]
>>>>>>> Blog | [url]http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre[/url]
>>>>>>> [url]http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta[/url]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor)" <admin@zacknet.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:etJMJC%23QGHA.3972@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>> Well, they might well be using a form of Linux so that they can
>>>>>>>> customise the OS to exactly how it suits them... and to be fair,
>>>>>>>> Linux is probably more secure in the sense that it doesn't have to
>>>>>>>> be updated every few days because of security flaws etc.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Zack Whittaker
>>>>>>>> Microsoft Beta (Windows Server R2 Beta Mentor)
>>>>>>>> » ZackNET Enterprises: [url]www.zacknet.co.uk[/url]
>>>>>>>> » MSBlog on ResDev: [url]http://msblog.resdev.net[/url]
>>>>>>>> » ZackNET Forum: [url]www.zacknet.co.uk/forum[/url]
>>>>>>>> » VistaBase: [url]www.zacknet.co.uk/vistabase[/url]
>>>>>>>> » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers
>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>> rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated
>>>>>>>> so, and not
>>>>>>>> of my employer, best friend, mother or cat. Let's be clear on that
>>>>>>>> one!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --- Original message follows ---
>>>>>>>> "Chhan Rithy" <012973110@mobitel.com.kh> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:OGci079QGHA.5248@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>> IBM switching to Linux destops in Germany according to a Linux
>>>>>>>>> Forum 2006. How do you think about this? It means IBM is not
>>>>>>>>> upgrade to Vista!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>

>>
>>

>
>