Illustrator CS: Let's talk about the new text engine.

[Gary_Newman@adobeforums.com]

Yes, Apple did allow you to upgrade to the new OS while keeping the old one around for legacy applications. But Adobe did nothing to prevent you from likewise keeping a copy of Illustrator 10 or 8 running in the background for similar tasks. It's what I do all the time.

And Adobe did provide a method of viewing how the new text engine changes legacy files. When you open a legacy file in Illustrator CS, choose the "OK" option (to update the text later). When the file opens, the text will all be in boxes that look like placed images - when you select one it appears with an X through it. The text in this form is legacy text, and it is not editable, but it will print fine.

Get the Type tool and click on one of the boxes. A dialog will appear giving you this option: "Choose Copy Text Object to update the text and preserve the original layout as a separate object." If you select this option, the text will be converted to the new text engine format, and a grayed-out copy will be placed behind it for reference. You can convert all the text like this, or just selected blocks. Then in the Legacy Text portion of the Type menu, you can Hide, Select or Delete the copies.

[Matthew_T_Lloyd@adobeforums.com]

Thanks, Steve.
We now place the character using the glyphs palette. It still seems wierd though - I have played with keyboard settings to no effect. Anyhow, thanks again for pointing us in the right direction!

Matthew Lloyd

[Ann_Shelbourne@adobeforums.com]

Are you using an OTF Pi font by chance because you will need the Glyphs palette to access the characters in such fonts in Illustrator?

[Matthew_T_Lloyd@adobeforums.com]

Hi Ann
The braille font is true type, and behaved impecibly in previous versions of ai. Curiously, I can type # in all other apps using this font. We run OS 10.3 and 10.2, and the same thing (doesn't) occur in both...

[G_A@adobeforums.com]

Yes I know I can say ok to an older file and edit only what I need but like I mentioned, we have a mixed illustrator environment.

Saving as a normal illustrator file with PDF capabilities create it's own problems for older Illustrator users, if they open a file saved as CS with PDF options the texture does print the same. as an example.

PLUS

if we Export as legancy illustrator file, the text is converted to individual letters, which can make editing a nightmare.

Unlike the previous version of Illustrator where everyone was atleast on the same page, CS is a complete rewrite, which I am sure has great benefits but poor intergration for mixed environments like ours. As I said the warning should have been applied, so unfortunately we can not use it-- Way to go ADOBE, you got your sale.

[Gary_Newman@adobeforums.com]

Yes, it's going to be difficult for people in mixed environments for a while. It's the price of progress, in my view. In the last century, livery stables did not like it when internal combustion engines replaced oat-driven engines. They reluctantly began selling both gasoline and oats, and eventually livery stables became a thing of the past.

[david_flaherty@adobeforums.com]

Please excuse me if this has been talked about in this thread or if I am posting in the wrong thread. My issue with the New Adobe Illustrator CS in the Mac Panther environment on a new G5 is the following: Poor display. With anti aliasing turned on, I get an "impure" white line around my type and background colors. I get this also in general shape on shape situations. Is there some new trapping options I"m missing? Kind of a major disappointment. Thanks for any help you can offer.

[Rudy Hoekstra]

David, sorry, wrong thread!

Steve, I have the same feeling as you have. Why release software which is not compatible with ANYHTHING. Unfortunately, I had to find ou in this forum why my CS illustrater does not downsave like the 10 version!

All my text is fragmentated... Documents I made in CS can now only be opend and edited by me!

I work with 48 different distributors, which purchaged 10 to translate the packaging I design. Now the packaging designed in CS can not be translated because I can't downsave to 10 without messing up the text.

I can not have 48 people upgrading to CS (Adobe would like that!) because there not using it very often. They are no graphics persons!

Mordy, I hope that somebody is working on a fix or a plugin to make this "BUG" go away !?!

Cheers,
Very proud user of Adobe software, but also very disapointed by this 'mistake'

[Marie-Anne_Verougstraete@adobeforums.com]

Hello,

I am new to this forum. I just upgraded from AI9 to CS this afternoon and am terribly disappointed with the text editing problems. All my AI files so far were created in AI9 and now not one of them is usable in the new version. Worse: I just read a lot of postings in this thread and followed a few suggestions. Nothing works. My typefaces managed by Adobe Type Manager Deluxe don't even appear in the new Illustrator!. I wonder if it has something to do with the fact that my ATM Deluxe runs in the Mac Classical mode. Then I thought maybe I should upgrade that as well, but when I look online, there is no version compatible with OSX.

Does anyone know if something can be done about this?

Thank you very much.

Marie-Anne

[Marie-Anne_Verougstraete@adobeforums.com]

Well, in the past few hours I learned a lot by reading through these forums and found out that my problem did come from ATM Deluxe, since it's not compatible with OSX. I also discovered that it will not be upgraded.

So now I downloaded FontAgent Pro and that works just fine. I did not have any text reflow so far when "updating" the fonts from the AI.9 file in AI.CS.
Keep my fingers crossed :-)

Marie-Anne

[Tom_Lasley@adobeforums.com]

I am using Total Training for I CS right now, and the instructor mentions that the fonts in the Type menu are supposed to be rendered to show their design. His are rendered on the Mac he is using to teach on, but they are not rendered on my PC. Is there any way to preview the font shpe without having to make the change of font, go look at the doc, and then go back to the Type menu to make a change?

[Rudy Hoekstra]

Hello again,

Still managing with th new text engine, but experiancing some different problems.

Text editing seems to be so much slower than everything else! Typing text and resizing text boxes takes multiple seconds to be updated on screen.

This occuurs only with Illustrator CS and only when working with text...

Anybody from Adobe or enyone else got any idea how to fix this ?

For details:
G5 dual 1.8 GHz with 1GB DDR SDRAM
Mac OSX 10.3.3
Illustrator commes from CS Premium

[Thomas_Phinney@adobeforums.com]

Tony: Mordy is actually no longer with the Illustrator team (sniff!). I guess none of the forum regulars knows the answer to your question.

T

[LenHewitt@adobeforums.com]

Tom,

Edit>Preferences>Type and Auto Tracing: Check the Font Preview checkbox

[Kara_W_Morris@adobeforums.com]

Ok, I want to make sure I am understanding this correctly because I am having a similar issue with a client...as I type.

First, my situation....
My client is running the AICS version; I am running AI10.0. He says he can't save in an earlier version. I am assuming he thinks this because of the type issues.

My question...
If he saves/exports his CS files as Legacy or Legacy EPS,what happens when I try to open the file in AI10? Would the same type issues occur as you stated above (opening AI10 in AICS)?
If the text is created to outlines on the client end, would that help eliminate some of the text issues?

So, here is what I am understanding this far...
Some of our clients are saving for the CS version, which obviously I can't open in AI10.
So, the only option for my cilents is to save the AICS file as a Legacy EPS, in hopes that there are no type issues when I open it in AI10.

I am concerned because we get several Illustrator images (mainly logos) from our clients in all different versions. It is very rare that we need to edit the text in any of the files, but we do need to check the file to ensure that it was set up according to our print specs. I would hate to have a client create a logo, for it to only open with text issues that I will have to adjust.

Any other information and answers to my questions above are greatly appreciated.

Thanks!!!!

[Scott_Falkner@adobeforums.com]

Where is the font supposed to be previewed? I see nothing, I know nothing!

[Gary_Newman@adobeforums.com]

First, your client should have few problems opening your AI 10 files in CS. There might be some slight placement issues, but they are relatively easily to deal with in CS.

Your client cannot Save an AI 10 file from CS - they must be Exported. You can open these files in AI 10, examine them, and resave with no problem.The only time you will have a problem is if you have to edit type. As pointed out above and elsewhere, any text will be broken into many small bits of point type, just as it does when opening many PDFs and EPS files created in other applications. Editing it involves some copying and pasting.

For example:

[LenHewitt@adobeforums.com]

Scott,

>>Where is the font supposed to be previewed? <<

In the Type>Font Menu Item font list - they do NOT preview in the palettes

[Kara_W_Morris@adobeforums.com]

Thanks so much for the explanation. That definitely cleared up some concerns that I had.

Kara

[Rudy Hoekstra]

Hello again,

Text editing seems to be so much slower than everything else! Typing text and resizing text boxes takes multiple seconds to be updated on screen.

This occurs only with Illustrator CS and only when working with text...
Anybody from Adobe or enyone else got any idea how to fix this ?

For details:
G5 dual 1.8 GHz with 1GB DDR SDRAM
Mac OSX 10.3.3
Illustrator commes from CS Premium