'Inherit zoom' + 'Go to page view' not working together in 7.0.8

[Nigel_Jones@adobeforums.com]

Why doesn't this work? (OSX 10.3.9)

In Acrobat 5.0.5 one can set links and bookmarks which would take you to precise locations on a page AND inherit the user's chosen magnification. Great for all-round client user-friendliness.

But in v.7.0.8 this just doesn't work:
Regardless of how you set them, links and bookmarks merely inherit the magnification you set them at, rather than inherit the end user's choice of magnification; and they insist on loading the page from the top down, thus ignoring the specified 'page view', so it's now impossible to directly target areas lower down on a page. And it crashes a lot too.

Thankfully version 5.0.5 still runs perfectly under OSX 10.3.9.

Anybody having any luck with this in version 8?

Alternatively, has anybody tried running version 5.0.5 under OSX 10.4?

[Steve_Werner@adobeforums.com]

I believe that this has not worked for the last couple versions, and it also doesn't work in Acrobat 8. Someone came to the Help desk at the InDesign Conference with the question and a couple of Acrobat experts weren't able to find a solution. It appears to be an unfixed bug.

However, my copy of Acrobat 5.05 still appears to work with Mac OS X 10.4.8.

[Nigel_Jones@adobeforums.com]

That's a shame. What's up with Adobe these days?

On version 5.05 though, I did notice that under OSX, it won't let you touch up the text: it can't seem to find fonts activated with Suitcase under OSX; it only sees the system fonts.

And of course a similar issue with font embedding extends to version 7 under OSX: you can now edit the text but the embedding is lost.

And with v.8 seeming to have more than its fair share of problems (and unfixed bugs going back years) I do wonder who's listening at Adobe just lately. I'd kick some ass if I worked there, that's for sure.

[pgary@adobeforums.com]

I would echo your sentiments, Nigel. I just finished teaching an Acrobat 7 course and can't believe the number of issues arising since v.6. Examples include changing the function of the Snapshot Tool when using the Link Tool by removing the Go To A Snapshot View in the Actions script choices. Or cutting and pasting a javascript text from a PDF into the javascript custom function box of a text field only to render the script inactive. Editing PDF issues using Illustrator are also problematic. And on. And on. The Inherit Zoom issue is definitely one that needs to be addressed as well as a revamp of its UI. As Microsoft is in the process of trying to take on Adobe in this area (XPS), perhaps competition is the only way Adobe will finally address user's concerns.

[pjonesCET@adobeforums.com]

I would not bet the bank on MicroSoft. MicroSoft's aim over the years is to bury Apple. I'm sure if the new thing coming out it will work strictly for Windows Platform.

If apple had a 40-50% share of the entire Market. Maybe Companies would pay attention to the Mac market.

But when you only have 10-20% or less of the market. They just throw us bones becae they could do so. Plus Unix, Nor C++ (OS9) was easy to code for. Windows is a two edge sword. it so easy to code for that often a 7th or 8th grade student can code (using Basic). But because of this its so easy to write bugs, and Malware for. Yet the software Industry caters to MS every whim.

[Aandi_Inston@adobeforums.com]

>I would not bet the bank on MicroSoft. MicroSoft's aim over the years is to bury Apple.

Is that why they are the biggest producer of software for the Mac
platform after Apple?

Aandi Inston

[pjonesCET@adobeforums.com]

Biggest producer of Software for the Mac?? You must be joking. The only reason why MS has a MacBU (Mac Business unit) is that Steve Jobs and others from Apple over the years has paid MS to do so. They enter into contracts/agreements that last about 5 years, and there is a continous cloud that they won't do so, when the agreements come up for renewal each time.

And with the advent of Apple endorsed software to allow Windows to run on the Intel Macs, it may be a harder sell the next time.

The only reason Ms doesn't abandon Mac at all which may be an incentive for most software companies, is Anti-Tust Litigation even un Republican Rule. There would be no major alternative left on the market to choose from and they would have to look at the possibility of being broke up. So they throw a bone to Apple to allow it to prosper enought to to keep them out of Anti-Trust.

[Nigel_Jones@adobeforums.com]

Thanks for your thoughts, pgary. It's encouraging to hear similar concerns from somebody with more knowledge than myself. At least that confirms the problems are with the product and not just down to my own lesser experience. But sadly it also fuels the frustration for us all, with Adobe pretty much holding us to ransom.

You're certainly right about the need for competition here. But, in the light of Microsoft's offerings, I'm concerned that Adobe are concentrating more on holding this corner of the market by simply overdeveloping their product to meet increasingly ambitious claims about its capabilities, whilst blatantly ignoring the fact that basic, key features of the application just don't work, and haven't for a long time.

In short, I get the impression that Adobe are more interested in buying into as much of the creative market as they can, to grow as big and as fast as they can, than in the real-world needs of their customers.

And as for the anti-trust regulations, quite how Adobe managed to circumvent these with their takeover of Macromedia's products (e.g. Freehand, when they already own Illustrator) is beyond me. I know they didn't really want Freehand and it just came with the Macromedia package, but if they now merely discard Freehand, as seems likely, that seems to me a good example of Adobe soaking up the competition for its own gain at the expense of its customers.

Having already created their own unwieldy monster of a product conglomerate, I hope the board wake up before the corporation becomes so big that they all end up as mere hamsters within the spinning wheel of overambition, by which time they'll be oblivious to the fact that they still have customers waiting to be served. Indeed, I hope they're not already there...

<\gripe mode=OFF> :-)

[pgary@adobeforums.com]

Nigel;

FYI. According to recent information from Adobe, it is most likely that FreeHand will dissapear. As well, Image ready will be replaced with Fireworks and GoLive with Dreamweaver. This is the business version of natural selection. My wish list includes seeing Acrobat incorporate Flash qualities in it. To longtime users, that would be a positive direction from this merger. Cheers :)

[pjonesCET@adobeforums.com]

I have DreamWeaver, and Fireworks through the Studio8 package just before the Adobe Take over. Glad Adobe is having sense enough to keep them. And Now that they own Flash I'd like to see Flash incorporated into Acrobat.

[Leonard_Rosenthol@adobeforums.com]

You've been able to embed a Flash/SWF into a PDF since Acrobat 6. Your Flash's ActionScript can communicate with the JavaScript in the PDF.

What else would you like?

Leonard
Adobe Systems

[Nigel_Jones@adobeforums.com]

A fix to the bug which causes font embedding to be lost on resave after touching up text is long overdue.

A correction to the long-standing bug mentioned at the start of this thread is also desperately needed.

It's difficult to understand how these features, which used to work, and which are still provided for but haven't actually functioned correctly for several versions back, can continue to be overlooked by Adobe's talented programmers.

Oh, and FreeHand would be nice. I was initially encouraged to see FreeHand become part of the Adobe stable, but rumours about its possible demise are giving us a commercial heart attack.

FreeHand isn't a competitor to Illustrator, just a different animal suited to different tasks. But bear in mind that it's not just the features that Illustrator doesn't have that make FreeHand better suited to many applications; it's the unique intuitive way in which FreeHand works, making many tasks so much more efficient than their Illustrator counterparts, even for seasoned Illustrator users. Merely integrating some of FreeHand's better features into Illustrator wont turn Illustrator into the cornerstone that FreeHand has become. I use both, so I know.

[Leonard_Rosenthol@adobeforums.com]

I am not aware of any bug (nor can I find anything in our bug tracking system) concerning a font becoming UNEMBEDDED after the use of the Text Touchup Tool and then File->Save. If I am misinterpreting this issue, please rephrase.

Concerning Inherit Zoom - it's in the menu choice when you edit the bookmark Action settings. Works just fine, as does setting custom zooms to bottom of pages, etc. NOTE: I am using Acrobat 8 Professional.

This is the Acrobat Forum - I have no comment on FreeHand.

Leonard

[Nigel_Jones@adobeforums.com]

Leonard, thanks for your response.

Just teasing about FreeHand. But you did ask 'What else would you like?' :)

Concerning Inherit Zoom -
Has this been fixed in Acrobat 8 Pro?
It hasn't worked in 6, or 7 on Mac OSX, but is fine in 5 running under Mac OS9.

Concerning loss of font embedding after touching up text -
I'm referring to the bug in Acrobat 7 under OSX, a fault widely reported by users on this forum. For example, see the following threads:

<http://www.adobeforums.com/cgi-bin/webx/.3bc18e1d/5>
and
Corey Spann, "Changing Fonts" #, 5 Aug 2005 6:09 am </cgi-bin/webx?14@@.3bbba390>
(esp. Steve Werner's post on how to reproduce it in his post at 5:02pm Sep 17, 05 PST (#24 of 65) in this thread. ]

Has this been fixed in Acrobat 8 Pro?

Regards

[Leonard_Rosenthol@adobeforums.com]

I don't know if it was fixed in Acrobat 8 or not - I can only vouch that it does work as expected in Acrobat 8 AFAICT. Certainly, download and check the trial version.

Leonard

[MarkATS@adobeforums.com]

Certainly, download and check the trial version




Wouldn't it be nice if there was a trial version for the Mac?

[Nigel_Jones@adobeforums.com]

Leonard,

Will there be a trial version for Mac? Only the Windows version is currently available.

It looks as though Acrobat 8 Pro won't function under OSX 10.3.9. Am I correct?

Thanks again,

Regards

[Leonard_Rosenthol@adobeforums.com]

Never thought to look that we don't have a trial for the Mac - sorry about that!

And yes, the system requirements for Acrobat 8 are 10.4.3 and later.

Leonard

[willmark@adobeforums.com]

Nigel wrote: And as for the anti-trust regulations, quite how Adobe managed
to circumvent these with their takeover of Macromedia's products (e.g.
Freehand, when they already own Illustrator) is beyond me.




Easy. If Microsoft is not a monopoly then no company can be acused of being a monopoly.

Back on target. I whole heartedly agree that it is pretty lame that Adobe is not fixing things that have been broken for several releases... lame. example: Bookmarking and nested bookmarks in Acrobat 7.

[Leonard_Rosenthol@adobeforums.com]

What is wrong, specifically, with Bookmarking?

Leonard