inline graphics in email out of line

[Tacit]

>Using an iMac with OS 9 and MS Outlook Express. When forwarding a message

>with inline graphics, the graphic become attached and posted to the end
>of
>the text instead of inline in the places they had been.
>Very confusing.

That's because there is no such thing as "inline graphics" in an email.

The way graphics appear in an email depend *on the email program that RECEIVES
the message*, NOT on the email program that SNDs the message. An inline graphic
is just an attached graphic. It is up to the receiving email to figure out what
to do with it.

There is no Internet standard for "make this graphic appear in this place in an
email." HTML can do this, of course, but not all email clients render HTML the
same way--or at all.

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[Crucifyself03]

AOL 5.x can send inline graphics, but only to AOL users. AOL for Windows 6.x
or higher can send inline graphics to all users that can read HTML email.

[Tacit]

>AOL 5.x can send inline graphics, but only to AOL users. AOL for Windows

>6.x
>or higher can send inline graphics to all users that can read HTML email.

Again, this depends on the recipient's mail client and settings. Not all email
clients can render HTML email, and many people who have HTML-capable email
clients wisely disable HTML. HTML in email is an abomination and a blight upon
the face of humanity. :)

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[Crucifyself03]

>Again, this depends on the recipient's mail client and settings. Not all

>email
>clients can render HTML email, and many people who have HTML-capable email
>clients wisely disable HTML. HTML in email is an abomination and a blight
>upon
>the face of humanity. :)

I agree somewhat. I get a lot more naked women images in my HTML clients such
as Eudora or Outlook Express.

[Paul Sture]

In article <20030719125748.08385.00000215@mb-m20.aol.com>, [email]crucifyself03@aol.comn[/email]ojunk (Crucifyself03) writes:

>>Again, this depends on the recipient's mail client and settings. Not all
>>email
>>clients can render HTML email, and many people who have HTML-capable email
>>clients wisely disable HTML. HTML in email is an abomination and a blight
>>upon
>>the face of humanity. :)

>
>
> I agree somewhat. I get a lot more naked women images in my HTML clients such
> as Eudora or Outlook Express.

I agree entirely. HTML mail also clogs up bandwidth. Moreover, it gets
blocked on my work system, so it's a complete waste of time for whoever$is
sending it :-) :-)

One thing many are not aware ofis that such emails often contain a URL which
contains some kind of code identifying you appended. Just viewing that URL
(and it could be a 1 pixel image) via your email reader confirms that your
email address is working, and therefore makes it a more valuable address for
spammers to sell on. This includes Outlook's preview mode, which is enabled
by default for each and every new folder you create.

See [url]http://www.nthelp.com/OEtest/oe119.htm[/url] for a more thorough discussion
of this.

And I am happy to say that the demo there didn't give away my main email
address - I read those mails with a text only program. But let's try
the address I read from OS X Mail...

Yep. Mail put the email I received into the Junk folder, but when I read it,
yes, there was my email address in the guy's logs.

See how easy you make life for spammers if you leave HTML enabled?

So, of course, my burning question is:

"How do I turn off HTML in OS X Mail?"

[Simon Slavin]

In article <58557ce5.0307180626.7dccf8d@posting.google.com> ,
[email]purplemouse@volcanomail.com[/email] (Purple Mouse) wrote:

>Using an iMac with OS 9 and MS Outlook Express. When forwarding a message
>with inline graphics, the graphic become attached and posted to the end of
>the text instead of inline in the places they had been.

There's no standard for putting graphics in the middle of an email
message. As far as the standards are concerned, you're sending a
message which can consist of lots of separate elements. As long
as all those elements arrive at the other end, your mail software
has done its job. It's perfectly allowable to put all the graphics
at the end, or even to change the order of them.

However, note that most email clients won't display graphic parts
of a message. They'll save them to a file so that the reader can
display them at their leisure.

If you absolutely need to send an email which has a particular
layout, and if you're 100% sure that the mail client that your
reader is using can display images, then you'll need to use HTML
to put the elements together. However, note that many email
clients won't display HTML. The reader will actually see the
HTML code as the message.

If you really want someone to see a particular layout including
text and graphics, put it on a web server somewhere and email
them a one-line message telling them where to look.

[Crucifyself03]

Yes but there are times when its necessary to send a graphic in-line. For this
I recommend Netscape Communicator 4.7.x. I do not believe versions beyond this
can send inline images easily.

When you send a HTML message to a web based reader, Netscape is the best to use
when composing them.

[Paul Sture]

In article <20030720201342.06745.00000302@mb-m06.aol.com>,
[email]crucifyself03@aol.comn[/email]ojunk (Crucifyself03) writes:

> Yes but there are times when its necessary to send a graphic in-line.
> For this I recommend Netscape Communicator 4.7.x. I do not believe
> versions beyond this can send inline images easily.
>

Oooh :-) I have lost count of the number of times over the last few years
I got into fights with people telling me to upgrade from 4.7.x to view
their precious website... Unlike home where I can load anything I wish,
we have very strict rules at work about what we run :-)

> When you send a HTML message to a web based reader, Netscape is the best
> to use when composing them.

But not everyone has an HTML aware mail reader.

[Matthew Russotto]

In article <Y+nYLGHaTP8m@elias.decus.ch>,
Paul Sture <p_sture@elias.decus.ch> wrote:

>
>Yep. Mail put the email I received into the Junk folder, but when I read it,
>yes, there was my email address in the guy's logs.
>
>See how easy you make life for spammers if you leave HTML enabled?
>
>So, of course, my burning question is:
>
>"How do I turn off HTML in OS X Mail?"

You can't. But you can turn off automatic loading of images and
objects -- Preferences/Viewing/Display images and embedded objects in
HTML Messages.



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[Paul Sture]

In article <bRKdnWmudbt-kIGiXTWc-w@speakeasy.net>, [email]russotto@grace.speakeasy.net[/email] (Matthew Russotto) writes:

> In article <Y+nYLGHaTP8m@elias.decus.ch>,
> Paul Sture <p_sture@elias.decus.ch> wrote:

>>
>>Yep. Mail put the email I received into the Junk folder, but when I read it,
>>yes, there was my email address in the guy's logs.
>>
>>See how easy you make life for spammers if you leave HTML enabled?
>>
>>So, of course, my burning question is:
>>
>>"How do I turn off HTML in OS X Mail?"

>
> You can't. But you can turn off automatic loading of images and
> objects -- Preferences/Viewing/Display images and embedded objects in
> HTML Messages.
>

Thanks. That gets around the problem.