is it possible to use facing pages invertical format (stacked)?

[BranderChatfield@adobeforums.com]

I've started working on a calendar yesterday. Perused this forum for InDesign calendar tips, hoping for THE solution for calendar spreads. I see everyone else desires the same as well. I got to pondering last night... Sure, InDesign could upgrade their program to include this feature. BUT, of course a but. Look at all the other software and equipment that would need to be upgraded as well. Or can it already be done. Such as printing out one saddle-stitched proof from the office copy machine? Would they be able to handle a booklet in such a fashion with the saddle stitch at the top of the document, or rotating the layout to match the correct saddle stitching, etc? Just a ponder... Happy Weekend to all the Graphics Wranglers out there.

--Kevin

[Diane_King@adobeforums.com]

Brander,

If you notice from ID's print set up, you can rotate a page any which way you want for singles or spreads. Where the pages meet and the orientation of the page inside the program really have no impact on output. The issue on the screen is orientation not vertical spreads. Some people have suggested that the real fix to the problem would not be vertical spreads, but an option to rotate the view. I actually think this is a solid solution because there are many jobs where you need text upside down in order to output correctly for folded media and being able to rotate the view so that you can edit the text without getting a crick in your neck would be wonderful. This is actually how I requested the feature. If you could rotate the view, you could simply turn a normal spread on it's side and work on it that way. It's essentially the same thing as a vertical spread.

[Bob Levine]

Nice feature idea, but in the mean time, use the story editor. You can
even have it open with the live page so you can see your changes in the
document as you change the text in the story editor.

Bob

[Richard_Sohanchyk@adobeforums.com]

Story Editor




Pretty much says it all. How many calendars a year do you do? I do one, maybe two. I have templates for my needs. One of those feature requests that sounds like a good idea but in retrospect isn't really a top priority.

[BranderChatfield@adobeforums.com]

Yep, one or two calendars per year, and hours of design time with your head tilted to the side to gain a perspective on the layout. ;-) Maybe chiropractors and InDesign are in cahoots? LOL

[Bob Levine]

I've posted the best way to handle this numberous times and someone else
did it somewhere else today:

Set up a document with the full size of the calendar. Design away.
Export a PDF. Create a new facing pages document the size of your
finished calendar. Place the PDFs one page at a time and rotate the
pages 90 degrees on each spread. Export a new PDF. Voila. A perfectly
layed out calendar without the need for a chiropractor.

Bob

[Diane_King@adobeforums.com]

I personally can't stand story editor. I hated it in PageMaker and saw no use for it in InDesign. I prefer to edit my text in the design--because the display font and paragraph spacing impact the text a great deal. Besides, there is a whole lot more to a design than its text. Being able to see it right side up is highly desireable, at least the way I work.

Robert's work around is fine for a calendar, and that is actually the only way it can be done, but it's just that--a work around. It's not so useful for folded media where some things face one direction and some things face another all on the same page. It's also no fun for large size calendars that you have to regularly print out for proofing. If you have to go through all those steps to get to the individual pages each time you want to print a certain page, it's an awkward and time consuming work around, especially if you have large files that crash ID when you try to export the whole thing to PDF at once (but that's another topic entirely).

[BranderChatfield@adobeforums.com]

After the fact... The calendar project is done and downstairs in the bindery. Client was simply ecstatic. Course, they gave me a hand-drawn sketch and gave me free reigns. In regards to Diane's comment regarding proofs. Yes, yes, yes. Had many, many proofs as this calendar was laden with info on each date block, and then each main photo page had to be proofed out individually. The one page that befuddled me, as the other graphic designers was the one coupon page (when hanging on the wall, the bottom page of the calendar). Front side had the coupon; the back side had the calendar info, and the store info from the coupon. Back to back. So, in a normal book, top to top. Good grief we tossed it around and around to decide what to do with the back part, top to top or top to bottom or what. In the end, yes, the client was pleased with it all. And no visits to the chiropractor ;-) Side note... another designer here was designing our company calendar at the same time. She chose the route of designing each spread in Illustrator and then placing those EPS's in InDesign for proofing. More power to her! 1001 ways to design a similar project.

[Pete_Johnston@adobeforums.com]

I do about 150 calendars a year. The best solution I've found is to design on 11 x 17 pages. Once artwork is complete, I run an applescript that I wrote to perform a vertical booklet imposition and save as a new file. Send me an e-mail if you would like the script and I'd be happy to share.