Is there an idiot Proof way?

[Mark W. Arney]

The issue here is a client side cache problem. Since people already have
visited the site they see the old one and not the new.

Basic HTML site not a database driven

Since people are not internet savvy is there a way to force a refresh from
the server side. Maybe using htaccess or something.

Most folks wouldn't understandand about deleting cached files, or history so
I want to see if there is an Idiot proof method to make this happen when
they connect so that the new site comes up instead of their cached site on
their local computer.

I need some convincing answers for the site owner.

thanks

[Murray *TMM*]

Mark:

Put this in the head of each file -

<meta http-equiv="pragma" content="no-cache">

It will cause each page to always be fetched in its entirety on each visit.

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"Mark W. Arney" <marney@purely-by-design.com> wrote in message
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> The issue here is a client side cache problem. Since people already have
> visited the site they see the old one and not the new.
>
> Basic HTML site not a database driven
>
> Since people are not internet savvy is there a way to force a refresh from
> the server side. Maybe using htaccess or something.
>
> Most folks wouldn't understandand about deleting cached files, or history

so

> I want to see if there is an Idiot proof method to make this happen when
> they connect so that the new site comes up instead of their cached site on
> their local computer.
>
> I need some convincing answers for the site owner.
>
> thanks
>
>
>

[Mark W. Arney]

Thanks, but I imagine that this is good for the future.
I took over the site from a programmer that didn't use any meta tags, and
did everything to make the site search engine unfriendly.

So the previous site is already cached on regular visitors. I launched the
new site and some folks are still seeing the old.

So, I imagine there is nothing I can do until the browsers go to check for
updates on the site.

--mark--

"Murray *TMM*" <forums@HAHAgreat-web-sights.com> wrote in message
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> Mark:
>
> Put this in the head of each file -
>
> <meta http-equiv="pragma" content="no-cache">
>
> It will cause each page to always be fetched in its entirety on each

visit.

>
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> "Mark W. Arney" <marney@purely-by-design.com> wrote in message
> news:bepc29$nt6$1@forums.macromedia.com...

> > The issue here is a client side cache problem. Since people already have
> > visited the site they see the old one and not the new.
> >
> > Basic HTML site not a database driven
> >
> > Since people are not internet savvy is there a way to force a refresh

from

> > the server side. Maybe using htaccess or something.
> >
> > Most folks wouldn't understandand about deleting cached files, or

history

> so

> > I want to see if there is an Idiot proof method to make this happen when
> > they connect so that the new site comes up instead of their cached site

on

> > their local computer.
> >
> > I need some convincing answers for the site owner.
> >
> > thanks
> >
> >
> >

>
>

[Murray *TMM*]

Mark:

For what it's worth, no meta tags is not necessarily SE unfriendly. If the
content is good and its structure is good you will get a good ranking. Many
(most?) SE's now ignore meta tags anyhow....

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"Mark W. Arney" <marney@purely-by-design.com> wrote in message
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> Thanks, but I imagine that this is good for the future.
> I took over the site from a programmer that didn't use any meta tags, and
> did everything to make the site search engine unfriendly.
>
> So the previous site is already cached on regular visitors. I launched the
> new site and some folks are still seeing the old.
>
> So, I imagine there is nothing I can do until the browsers go to check for
> updates on the site.
>
> --mark--
>
> "Murray *TMM*" <forums@HAHAgreat-web-sights.com> wrote in message
> news:bepc9m$o8h$1@forums.macromedia.com...

> > Mark:
> >
> > Put this in the head of each file -
> >
> > <meta http-equiv="pragma" content="no-cache">
> >
> > It will cause each page to always be fetched in its entirety on each

> visit.

> >
> > --
> > Murray --- ICQ 71997575
> > Team Macromedia Volunteer for Dreamweaver MX
> > (If you *MUST* email me, don't LAUGH when you do so!)
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GET

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> > ==================
> >
> > "Mark W. Arney" <marney@purely-by-design.com> wrote in message
> > news:bepc29$nt6$1@forums.macromedia.com...

> > > The issue here is a client side cache problem. Since people already

have

> > > visited the site they see the old one and not the new.
> > >
> > > Basic HTML site not a database driven
> > >
> > > Since people are not internet savvy is there a way to force a refresh

> from

> > > the server side. Maybe using htaccess or something.
> > >
> > > Most folks wouldn't understandand about deleting cached files, or

> history

> > so

> > > I want to see if there is an Idiot proof method to make this happen

when

> > > they connect so that the new site comes up instead of their cached

site

> on

> > > their local computer.
> > >
> > > I need some convincing answers for the site owner.
> > >
> > > thanks
> > >
> > >
> > >

> >
> >

>
>

[Murray *TMM*]

Dan:

Hehe - it is a little convoluted. But you can do it.....

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"Dan Vendel *GOF*" <see_my_signature_@_the_bottom_of_the_post.com> wrote in
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> Murray *TMM* wrote:
>
>

> > no meta tags is not necessarily SE unfriendly.

>
> Ugh..Three negations in eight words. Usually, two negations can
> eliminate each other, but this one was tricky...
> Hmm.........
>
>

[Dan Vendel *GOF*]

Murray *TMM* wrote:

> Dan:
>
> Hehe - it is a little convoluted. But you can do it.....
>
>

No, I don't think I won't fail unless it's not weekend and I haven't had
a beer.
Eat that!!!!
:-)

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[T. Pastrana]

The <meta http-equiv="pragma" content="no-cache"> doesn't work very well
unfortunately. Could be why your visitors are still getting the old page. It
can be tricky to accomplish this and it depends on your type of server too.

You should do some reading on HTTP Headers and caching by expiry. This page
will explain it better than I can... I would also do a search on the subject
to get more info.

[url]http://www.mnot.net/cache_docs/[/url]


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"Mark W. Arney" <marney@purely-by-design.com> wrote in message
news:bepfcn$rpm$1@forums.macromedia.com...

> Thanks, but I imagine that this is good for the future.
> I took over the site from a programmer that didn't use any meta tags, and
> did everything to make the site search engine unfriendly.
>
> So the previous site is already cached on regular visitors. I launched the
> new site and some folks are still seeing the old.
>
> So, I imagine there is nothing I can do until the browsers go to check for
> updates on the site.
>
> --mark--
>
> "Murray *TMM*" <forums@HAHAgreat-web-sights.com> wrote in message
> news:bepc9m$o8h$1@forums.macromedia.com...

> > Mark:
> >
> > Put this in the head of each file -
> >
> > <meta http-equiv="pragma" content="no-cache">
> >
> > It will cause each page to always be fetched in its entirety on each

> visit.

> >
> > --
> > Murray --- ICQ 71997575
> > Team Macromedia Volunteer for Dreamweaver MX
> > (If you *MUST* email me, don't LAUGH when you do so!)
> > ==================
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GET

> > ANSWERS
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> > [url]http://www.DreamweaverFAQ.com[/url] - DW FAQs, Tutorials & Resources
> > [url]http://www.macromedia.com/support/search/[/url] - Macromedia (MM) Technotes
> > ==================
> >
> > "Mark W. Arney" <marney@purely-by-design.com> wrote in message
> > news:bepc29$nt6$1@forums.macromedia.com...

> > > The issue here is a client side cache problem. Since people already

have

> > > visited the site they see the old one and not the new.
> > >
> > > Basic HTML site not a database driven
> > >
> > > Since people are not internet savvy is there a way to force a refresh

> from

> > > the server side. Maybe using htaccess or something.
> > >
> > > Most folks wouldn't understandand about deleting cached files, or

> history

> > so

> > > I want to see if there is an Idiot proof method to make this happen

when

> > > they connect so that the new site comes up instead of their cached

site

> on

> > > their local computer.
> > >
> > > I need some convincing answers for the site owner.
> > >
> > > thanks
> > >
> > >
> > >

> >
> >

>
>

[T. Pastrana]

Yeah, it's a tuff issue to deal with. Can get complicated and require
assistance from your server admin.


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"Dan Vendel *GOF*" <see_my_signature_@_the_bottom_of_the_post.com> wrote in
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> T. Pastrana wrote:
>
> more info.

> >
> > [url]http://www.mnot.net/cache_docs/[/url]

>
> Good link!
>
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> Dan Vendel - *GOF*
> [url]http://www.vendel.info[/url]
> Contact me directly by clicking here:
> [url]http://contact.vendel.info[/url]
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> [url]http://www.vendel.info/tut/formmail.html[/url]
> Nested table demonstration:
> [url]http://www.vendel.info/tabletut/[/url]
>