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I've made the switch to the Mac (G5 dual 2Ghz) and have some questions regarding OSX, specifically within the Finder: 1) How can I get the total number of files within a given folder (including all of the files within subfolders). In Windows, you simply choose properties and it tells you the number of folders and number of files. I can't find this information anywhere in OSX. 2) Why am I unable to "cut" a file/folder within the Finder? Occassionally, "cut" is available from the EDIT menu, but the majority of the time it is grayed out. And when "cut" ...

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    Default Issues regarding Finder

    I've made the switch to the Mac (G5 dual 2Ghz) and have some questions
    regarding OSX, specifically within the Finder:

    1) How can I get the total number of files within a given folder (including
    all of the files within subfolders). In Windows, you simply choose
    properties and it tells you the number of folders and number of files. I
    can't find this information anywhere in OSX.

    2) Why am I unable to "cut" a file/folder within the Finder? Occassionally,
    "cut" is available from the EDIT menu, but the majority of the time it is
    grayed out. And when "cut" is available from the Edit menu, why doesn't it
    show up when I right-click on the icon (with my 2-button mouse)?

    Thanks,
    Dan





    Dan Guest

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    In article <oGEjb.109758$news.adelphia.net>, Dan
    <drstevens[NOSPAM]adelphia.net> wrote:
     

    you need to do this from terminal - its not in the get info window. the
    closest you can do is enable the finder status bar and that tells you
    how many items in a particular folder, but not total number of items
    including subfolders. email apple and tell them how stupid this
    omission is.
     

    you can copy and paste files; you cannot cut them. if you forget to
    paste, or the paste fails, the file would be gone - cut deletes the
    original immediately. its incorrect to blur the distinction between cut
    and copy. the only time i've seen cut enabled in finder is if the
    filename is selected, and that will cut only the text, not the file.
    nospam Guest

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    In article <161020031813042961%invalid>,
    nospam <invalid> wrote:
     
    >
    > you can copy and paste files; you cannot cut them. if you forget to
    > paste, or the paste fails, the file would be gone - cut deletes the
    > original immediately. its incorrect to blur the distinction between cut
    > and copy. the only time i've seen cut enabled in finder is if the
    > filename is selected, and that will cut only the text, not the file.[/ref]

    Cut in the file system interface is really not all that bad from a UI
    standpoint. We've been using Cut for nigh unto two decades on the Mac
    and should be quite familiar with it's pitfalls by now. Windows users
    have been able to use Cut in the file system for, IIRC, 8 years now and
    it's never caused me a problem there. At one point I was seriously
    considering writing a CMM for Mac OS 8-9 to add the functionality.

    I just noticed something weird, though. I selected a file, entered
    "rename" mode, and then selected part of the file name. (Actually two
    weird things: The first is that you can't meaningfully right-click on
    the selected text.) Then I went to the Edit menu and the Cut command was
    expanded to tell me what text it was going to cut. But it was the whole
    file name, not the selected bit.
    Gregory Guest

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    I agree. From a usability standpoint (especially for us prior Windows
    users), Cut absolutely makes sense. I would certainly prefer to right click
    on a file (or folder), select CUT and paste to my desired folder or volume.
    In Windows, if you don't paste what you just CUT, the OS simply leaves the
    original in tact. In other words, you must physically PASTE the object
    before it's deleted from the source location.


    "Gregory Weston" <com> wrote in message
    news:attbi.com... [/ref][/ref]
    Occassionally, [/ref][/ref]
    is [/ref][/ref]
    doesn't it 
    > >
    > > you can copy and paste files; you cannot cut them. if you forget to
    > > paste, or the paste fails, the file would be gone - cut deletes the
    > > original immediately. its incorrect to blur the distinction between cut
    > > and copy. the only time i've seen cut enabled in finder is if the
    > > filename is selected, and that will cut only the text, not the file.[/ref]
    >
    > Cut in the file system interface is really not all that bad from a UI
    > standpoint. We've been using Cut for nigh unto two decades on the Mac
    > and should be quite familiar with it's pitfalls by now. Windows users
    > have been able to use Cut in the file system for, IIRC, 8 years now and
    > it's never caused me a problem there. At one point I was seriously
    > considering writing a CMM for Mac OS 8-9 to add the functionality.
    >
    > I just noticed something weird, though. I selected a file, entered
    > "rename" mode, and then selected part of the file name. (Actually two
    > weird things: The first is that you can't meaningfully right-click on
    > the selected text.) Then I went to the Edit menu and the Cut command was
    > expanded to tell me what text it was going to cut. But it was the whole
    > file name, not the selected bit.[/ref]


    Dan Guest

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    In article <cxTjb.110035$news.adelphia.net>,
    "Dan" <drstevens[NOSPAM]adelphia.net> wrote:
     
    >
    > I agree. From a usability standpoint (especially for us prior Windows
    > users), Cut absolutely makes sense. I would certainly prefer to right click
    > on a file (or folder), select CUT and paste to my desired folder or volume.
    > In Windows, if you don't paste what you just CUT, the OS simply leaves the
    > original in tact. In other words, you must physically PASTE the object
    > before it's deleted from the source location.[/ref]

    Really? I never noticed that, since I generally cut something with the
    intent of pasting it immediately. I actually find that bothersome; it
    breaks the metaphor.

    G
    Gregory Guest

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    I think that's merely a safeguard - not something that most people take
    advantage of. If you ever notice when you cut something from a folder, it
    doesn't disappear but rather goes dim a bit. Let's say you're on a network
    share and decide to cut a very large file. You then go to a local folder on
    your PC and choose paste. If for some reason, there's a network disconnect
    and the process can't complete, the original file stays in its location so
    you haven't lost anything.


    "Gregory Weston" <com> wrote in message
    news:attbi.com... [/ref][/ref]
    and 
    > >
    > > I agree. From a usability standpoint (especially for us prior Windows
    > > users), Cut absolutely makes sense. I would certainly prefer to right[/ref][/ref]
    click [/ref]
    volume. [/ref]
    the 
    >
    > Really? I never noticed that, since I generally cut something with the
    > intent of pasting it immediately. I actually find that bothersome; it
    > breaks the metaphor.
    >
    > G[/ref]


    Dan Guest

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    In article <Ux3kb.110242$news.adelphia.net>,
    "Dan" <drstevens[NOSPAM]adelphia.net> wrote:
     

    I do notice that. I didn't realize what would happen if the clipboard
    was overwritten before doing a paste. Now that you mentioned it, though,
    I think I did notice - because I sometimes have to put a file in
    multiple places - that Copy/Paste/Paste/Paste works as expected but
    Cut/Paste/Paste/Paste doesn't.

    G
    Gregory Guest

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