Low Indesign CS Graphics Res

[Jeremy_Qualtek@adobeforums.com]

In converting files from Pagemaker 7 to Indesign, the files either are corrupt or turn out to be in horrible resolution compared to PM. This requires you to go throughout the entire document (thank God we didn't convert our catalog) and fix each graphic. The problem remains in that graphics that are saved at a high resolution then placed in InDesign CS to only loose resolution after the placement. And the difference is quite noticeable. We tried everything that we know to be able to fix this one graphic and no matter what we did, nothing seemed to work. The closest we got to what PM had produced was to open Photoshop through InDesign and open the high res graphic and drag it into the window. Still that was not enough.

If anyone else has the same problem please help out. It is dissapointing to spend a large chuck of money for a program that gets spanked in the graphics department by an OUTDATED PROGRAM!!!!

Thanks in advance

[mikewitherell_at_jetsetcom_dot_net]

Jeremy,

You must be overlooking something simple.

First, make sure all links are good in the PageMaker 7 file. If the links are good there, they will be good upon opening/converting to InDesign.

Second, your Display Performance preference might be a factor in what you see onscreen in InDesign.

Third, when you print out of InDesign, be aware that the graphics are set by default to "Optimized Subsampling" and this may degrade the high rez quality. Set it to "All" instead.

InDesign cannot alter a bitmap graphics internal resolution, such as set within Photoshop.

Hope this helps,

Mike Witherell in Washington DC

[Jonathan_Balza@adobeforums.com]

The thing that doesn't make sense is you getting all upset about a behavior thats supposed to be there in InDesign. The low resolution graphics make the monitors refresh very quickly, giving better ease of use. Chances are, if you tried printing the graphics, they would look find.

Have you tried right-clicking on the graphics and setting the display performace to be for a high quality display? That should fix your so called "problem".

[Michael_S._Flynn@adobeforums.com]

Adobe produces Photoshop yet they can't get a brand new program to function
properly with simple graphics; something just doesn't make since here
to me.




Adobe produces manuals, Help files and right-click menus but even in the 21st century there are people who can't read and get a brand new program to function properly; something just doesn't make sense here to me.

[Jeremy_Qualtek@adobeforums.com]

First I would like to thank Mike for the info. A recap; I tried that and it helped with the quality of the pages, yet what I am trying to figure out is why it scales the graphics' res down. When I have an image and introduce it to PM, it works out fine. When I place the same image in ID CS, it shows boxes and frames (lightly mind you, like a gray hue around the smaller images that reside in the graphic). It just doesn't look right at all. Maybe it is something in the settings; any more help Mike would be greatly appreciated.

Jon- This so called "problem" is a "problem" because if it doesn't work for this computer, and the one next to me, and PRINTS the same way (shocker isn't it, that a company would print something??) then something is wrong. I understand that it degrades the quality on-screen for ease of operation, BUT the fact that when you PRINT it looks nothing like the EXACT PM document that we converted from.

Another thing to think about, is that when I convert PM documents, it also degrades the graphics to the point where they are hardly recognizable. Just not sure why that would be. Thanks again Mike

[mikewitherell_at_jetsetcom_dot_net]

(lightly mind you, like a gray hue around the smaller images that reside
in the graphic)




Huh? more info descriptive please. How many layers? What layer are you on? Do you have drop shadows accidentally on by default? Do you have feathering on by default? Do you have Color Management turned on? Is the loss of image in the printout; not on screen? I can't picture what you are seeing.

Can you post a screenshot or email the zipped file to me?

Mike Witherell in Washington DC

[Dave_Saunders@adobeforums.com]

Jeremy,

Here's an idea: cut down on the sarcastic editorial content of your messages and instead focus on the details of your problem.

You might be astounded to know that you're just about alone in having these problems and the cause is most likely your unfamiliarity with the product you're using. However, it is hard to find the enthusiasm to read past the dripping sarcasm in your messages.

Dave

[Jeremy_Q@adobeforums.com]

Micheal S. Flynn-
You best learn to keep your mouth shut. Are you involved with Adobe at all?? If not you have no life and should reconsider cruising the forums for acceptance in our MODERN society, ESPECIALLY when you PROVIDE ABSOLUTELY no help to anyone and just bring about a HORRIBLE attitude to someone who is trying to find some help. If everyone in the world was like you, we would all be dead by now. AND if you are REFFERING to the HELP menu, I HAVE RESORTED TO READING THE MANUAL. And guess what... ITS THE WORST ONE OUT THERE!!! You best learn to not assume, considering what it makes you look like. You assume that I am someone who has no computer experience NOR COMMON SENSE! Do you understand how much customer support costs?? And how they generally cant help that much??
AND for some MORE information, I think you should LOOK AT MIKE WITHEREL there. HE seems to have the HELPING HAND attitude that is much appreciated. I think you should maybe open your eyes, READ a little bit and use that thing that sits on your shoulders and instead of being on top of trying to insult someone, try helping someone out for a change. Because maybe you are going to need help later on when you are on the side of the road in a burning car, and someone just like you just passes you by because you NEVER HELPED ANYONE OUT!!

Sorry for that outburst Mike, but that really ticks me off when someone does that. And yes I would love if you could help with this problem. Possibly sending you the page(s) of the document that is in question if you need it to be zipped that is ok too. Thank you much

And Dave, yes I understand that just replying to their childish behavior solves nothing, but when someone is rude to me, I take it very personal. I think they need to talk to their mothers and get a whoopin' because being rude will get you no where. I want this issue resolved. Thanks much

[Dave_Saunders@adobeforums.com]

Hate to break this to you, Jeremy, but the sarcasm started in your topic.

Perhaps we should start over.

You're having a printing problem. Have you mentioned what printer you're printing to? Have you said anything about the settings you're using to print. Particularly, have you paid attention to the graphics panel of the print dialog? Are you subsampling or sending all the data. You may recall that this option is in PageMaker too and if you subsample in PageMaker you'll also get lousy results to some printers.

Dave

[Jeremy_Q@adobeforums.com]

Yes I have changed the subsampling rate. It did help out a bit, but it was happening before it hit the printer. We are printing to a HP LaserJet 4500. The exact document in PM printed out perfectly, yet convert the file and the images get corrupted it seems. And I just cant seem to have InDesign fix things. It prints fine in PM. Any help is MUCH appreciated. Thanks much

[Bob_Levine]

Have checked the links? Click on one of the graphics and open the info
palette. What information do you see?

Bob

[Michael_S._Flynn@adobeforums.com]

You best learn to keep your mouth shut.




LOL! Anytime, anytime. Just don't bring it if you really ain't got it.

And Dave, yes I understand that just replying to their childish behavior
solves nothing, but when someone is rude to me, I take it very personal




Gee, and you weren't rude to Adobe at all! Oh, wait... YES YOU WERE. By your own standards then, Adobe should take it personally.

Are you involved with Adobe at all?? If not you have no life and should
reconsider cruising the forums for acceptance in our MODERN society, ESPECIALLY
when you PROVIDE ABSOLUTELY no help to anyone and just bring about a HORRIBLE
attitude to someone who is trying to find some help. If everyone in the
world was like you, we would all be dead by now. AND if you are REFFERING
to the HELP menu, I HAVE RESORTED TO READING THE MANUAL. And guess what...
ITS THE WORST ONE OUT THERE!!! You best learn to not assume, considering
what it makes you look like. You assume that I am someone who has no computer
experience NOR COMMON SENSE! Do you understand how much customer support
costs?? And how they generally cant help that much??




Read your original post. You talk to me about assuming? You assume that because you're having a problem it's automatically Adobe's fault and that they did a horrible job of programming. How many people have you now poisoned against ID by making unwarranted assumptions? How many will they poison? Your own ignorance of what the real problem is and your blaming it on Adobe with no proof just makes acceptance of ID that much harder and you're possibly costing people work down the road because of it. It's hard enough to get people to drop Quark without having to battle their beliefs in rumors about an application that they usually haven't even actually seen or used. I have persoanlly had several people tell me that they won't even try ID because of what they've "heard".

The problem remains in that graphics that are saved at a high resolution
then placed in InDesign CS to only loose resolution after the placement.





The exact document in PM printed out perfectly, yet convert the file and
the images get corrupted it seems. And I just cant seem to have InDesign
fix things. It prints fine in PM.




I didn't notice anywhere that you mentioned what file format you're using or even what resolution the images are. That can obviously make a difference. Are the images color? What color space? What is your document's Transparency Blend Space? The HP 4500 supposedly comes with both PCL and PostScript 2. Which are you using? Is that true Postscript or an HP/Microsoft hack? Do you have the printer setup with a default that shows the same settings in both PM's and ID's print windows when you click setup to get to the printer's own settings window or are they different? Have you tried creating a PDF from InDesign (using the Acrobat printer, not the HP) and printing from Acrobat? If so, how was the image quality - the same as PM's output? Have you tried printing the same ID files from a printer other than an HP LaserJet 4500 (or anything NOT HP) that has the same 600x600dpi? What version of the printer driver are you using? What was the date of the newest printer driver release that you have installed? Did that driver include new PS drivers or only PCL5c and 6 drivers? What OS are you using? Have you talked to HP to see if anyone else is having the same problem? Have you looked tried the trouble shooting guide on HP's website?

[Stu_Bloom@adobeforums.com]

It's hard enough to get people to drop Quark




I really wish I had nothing to worry about other than what software other people chose to use.

[Ken_Grace@adobeforums.com]

A couple of things. Jeremy, you said "Yes I have changed the subsampling
rate. It did help out a bit, but it was happening before it hit the
printer."

How do you know what was happening before it hit the printer?

You also mentioned that the graphics were showing boxes and frames. Have you
got 'Show frame edges' selected? Of course, you would only see this on
screen, not on print. If you are seeing frame edges on printed output, have
you got a stroke applied to the graphics?

I'm not sure what you meant by "a gray hue around the smaller images that
reside in the graphic". Are you saying that parts of a graphic displaying
this phenomenon, not the whole graphic? If the whole graphic looked like
this then Mike's suggestion that you may have drop shadows turned on by
default could apply - simple way to test, draw a box: does it have a drop
shadow? If parts of your graphic are showing this 'grey hue' then something
very wierd has happened to the graphics. Do they look like this when you
view them in Photoshop?

Bob asked what the info palette tells you about the graphics. Can you answer
that?

k

[Jeremy_Q@adobeforums.com]

Ok, I seriously doubt it is the printer, but I will go throughout the stages to eliminate that possibility. The reason why I say that it isn't the printer is because the same image in PM prints wonderful and place the same image (the same way in you do in PM) and the image gets distorted. It is incredibly hard to explain. The difference is slight, but not slight enough. For Bob, the image is a JPEG, Actual ppi - 72x72, Effective ppi - 178x178 Color space- RGB It is a single image of the shrink tube manufacturing process. It was created in Power Point. Just found this out today. That could be the reason why. *****UPDATE****** We used a TIFF file instead and ID CS loved it!!! I will update this file if other graphics comply or not! Thank you!

[Ken_Grace@adobeforums.com]

178 × 178 dpi? What sort of output are you expecting? That seems pretty low
for a decent image.

k

[Stu_Bloom@adobeforums.com]

178 × 178 dpi? What sort of output are you expecting? That seems pretty
low for a decent image.




Depends on the output. I use 150 dpi for printing on a 100 line web press all the time.

[Bob_Levine]

Should be fine for a laser printer.

Bob

[Bob_Levine]

As you just found out, there are a lot of different variables in JPGs.
It's one of the reasons I recommend not using them in print.

Bob

[Ken_Grace@adobeforums.com]

Bows out gracefully on the resolution comment.

300 dpi has become a habit and perhaps induced blinkered vision.

k