Mach II Framework Questions

[JakeFlynn]

I am considering rewriting my website using the machii framework. First a
specific question as of right now my site loads a topbar and a menubar located
at the top and left of the page respectively. How does the framework handle
this kind of setup. Second how does the framework handle ColdFusions native
login security tags (cflogin, cfloginuser...ect.). Finally good indepth
resources seem to be hard to come by does anyone have any links or know of any
good sites for this information.
Thank
Jake

[JakeFlynn]

I am considering rewriting my website using the machii framework. First a
specific question as of right now my site loads a topbar and a menubar located
at the top and left of the page respectively. How does the framework handle
this kind of setup. Second how does the framework handle ColdFusions native
login security tags (cflogin, cfloginuser...ect.). Finally good indepth
resources seem to be hard to come by does anyone have any links or know of any
good sites for this information.
Thank
Jake

[mpwoodward *TMM*]

On 2005-06-07 15:25:48 -0500, "JakeFlynn" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> said:

> I am considering rewriting my website using the machii framework. First
> a specific question as of right now my site loads a topbar and a
> menubar located at the top and left of the page respectively. How does
> the framework handle this kind of setup.

Basically Mach-II has the concept of multiple views within an event, so
one way you could do this would be to have your event include your
navigation views along with your main page view.

> Second how does the framework handle ColdFusions native login security
> tags (cflogin, cfloginuser...ect.).

Not sure what you mean here--you can use these tags, but the framework
is agnostic to them.

> Finally good indepth resources seem to be hard to come by does anyone
> have any links or know of any good sites for this information.

[url]http://www.mach-ii.com[/url]
[url]http://www.mach-ii.info[/url]
[url]http://corfield.org/index.cfm?event=machii.main[/url]
[url]http://www.fusebox.org/forums/categories.cfm?catid=26[/url]
[url]http://livedocs.macromedia.com/wtg/public/machiidevguide/[/url]

> Thank
> Jake

--
Matt Woodward
[email]mpwoodward@gmail.com[/email]
Team Macromedia - ColdFusion

[JakeFlynn]

Not sure what you mean here--you can use these tags, but the framework

What I meant was that normally i would use them in the application.cfm file.
would i use them in the same place when using the framework or would you need
to set up a cfc in the model that handles security?

[mpwoodward *TMM*]

On 2005-06-07 17:02:52 -0500, "JakeFlynn" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> said:

> Not sure what you mean here--you can use these tags, but the framework
>
> What I meant was that normally i would use them in the application.cfm
> file. would i use them in the same place when using the framework or
> would you need to set up a cfc in the model that handles security?

You'd use it in a CFC. What I've typically done is had a Listener that
handles the initial login, then you can have a filter to check the
login status before specific events.

Matt
--
Matt Woodward
[email]mpwoodward@gmail.com[/email]
Team Macromedia - ColdFusion

[Velvett Fog]

since you asked for a link [url]http://www.mach-ii.com/[/url] but I bet you've been to that one, huh?

[JakeFlynn]

i have not read through all the documentation with that said, does any of the documentation cover login checks and security within the framework (ie best practices for implementation)

[mpwoodward *TMM*]

On 2005-06-07 20:56:57 -0500, "JakeFlynn" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> said:

> i have not read through all the documentation with that said, does any
> of the documentation cover login checks and security within the
> framework (ie best practices for implementation)

The framework leaves this completely up to you--the framework itself
does not have any particular preferred way of handling security. You
can use cflogin, you can roll your own, the framework doesn't care. By
using the available plugins and fitlers, however, you can apply
security in a very granular way within Mach-II.

Matt
--
Matt Woodward
[email]mpwoodward@gmail.com[/email]
Team Macromedia - ColdFusion

[Andrew]

>>Finally good indepth
resources seem to be hard to come by does anyone have any links or know of
any
good sites for this information.

As coldfusion gradually dies out we see less and less of the kind of
resources we use to have. In this case, the mach-ii site is about the only
place for this stuff. Sadly, there's not really a community behind mach-ii
in the way there is for struts and other popular framworks, and there are no
books that I am aware of.

I heard a whisper that mach-ii was no longer being developed, but looking at
the website it seems this was perhaps just a rumour. IMO, its far better
than Fusebox, even an evolution of it in many ways.



"JakeFlynn" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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>I am considering rewriting my website using the machii framework. First a
> specific question as of right now my site loads a topbar and a menubar
> located
> at the top and left of the page respectively. How does the framework
> handle
> this kind of setup. Second how does the framework handle ColdFusions
> native
> login security tags (cflogin, cfloginuser...ect.). Finally good indepth
> resources seem to be hard to come by does anyone have any links or know of
> any
> good sites for this information.
> Thank
> Jake
>

[mpwoodward *TMM*]

On 2005-06-08 02:06:44 -0500, "Andrew"
<andrew@mjinteractive.iinet.net.au> said:

>
> As coldfusion gradually dies out

Far from a foregone conclusion, and far from the point of this thread.

> we see less and less of the kind of resources we use to have. In this
> case, the mach-ii site is about the only place for this stuff.

This person posted this question in another thread and I gave him
numerous links to check out. If all you know about is the mach-ii.com
site then I really question whether or not you actually use Mach-II.

> Sadly, there's not really a community behind mach-ii in the way there
> is for struts and other popular framworks, and there are no books that
> I am aware of.

True, no books, but there's quite a community behind it. Try google or
see the links I posted in the other thread about this for a few
resources.

>
> I heard a whisper that mach-ii was no longer being developed, but
> looking at the website it seems this was perhaps just a rumour.

Just a rumor--it's reached a relative stage of maturity so releases
just don't come that often these days.

> IMO, its far better than Fusebox, even an evolution of it in many ways.

Really depends on what you're after and what your background is. For
people with a non-OO background Fusebox is easier to pick up and offers
many of the same benefits, it just goes about things in a different way.

--
Matt Woodward
[email]mpwoodward@gmail.com[/email]
Team Macromedia - ColdFusion

[Andrew]

>but there's quite a community behind it.

Define 'quite'. I define size in the context of other similar frameworks -
mach-ii has a tiny community by comparison. This is no refelcetion on its
ability of course, mach-ii is cool. I am just stating a fact here.

>Just a rumor--it's reached a relative stage of maturity so releases

just don't come that often these days.

Same thing with the likes of struts, really died down releaase wise. But
then we did hear that it was fo rthe most part being superceded with JSF. I
can't help but wonder if , like MM, the guys are wondering if the numbers
are there that allow for too much time to be spent on it.

>For

people with a non-OO background Fusebox is easier to pick up and offers
many of the same benefits


Which likely applies to a great many CF'ers. Still, Mach-ii isn't that much
harder to learn, surely? I found fusebox rather clumsy and less intuitive.
(which probarbly comes back to what you just sadi about having an OO
background)







"mpwoodward *TMM*" <mpwoodward@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On 2005-06-08 02:06:44 -0500, "Andrew" <andrew@mjinteractive.iinet.net.au>
> said:

>>
>> As coldfusion gradually dies out

>
> Far from a foregone conclusion, and far from the point of this thread.
>

>> we see less and less of the kind of resources we use to have. In this
>> case, the mach-ii site is about the only place for this stuff.

>
> This person posted this question in another thread and I gave him numerous
> links to check out. If all you know about is the mach-ii.com site then I
> really question whether or not you actually use Mach-II.
>

>> Sadly, there's not really a community behind mach-ii in the way there is
>> for struts and other popular framworks, and there are no books that I am
>> aware of.

>
> True, no books, but there's quite a community behind it. Try google or
> see the links I posted in the other thread about this for a few resources.
>

>>
>> I heard a whisper that mach-ii was no longer being developed, but looking
>> at the website it seems this was perhaps just a rumour.

>
> Just a rumor--it's reached a relative stage of maturity so releases just
> don't come that often these days.
>

>> IMO, its far better than Fusebox, even an evolution of it in many ways.

>
> Really depends on what you're after and what your background is. For
> people with a non-OO background Fusebox is easier to pick up and offers
> many of the same benefits, it just goes about things in a different way.
>
> --
> Matt Woodward
> [email]mpwoodward@gmail.com[/email]
> Team Macromedia - ColdFusion
>