(ethernet1) Cable Modem----(ethernet2)---| |~(localtalk)~~~LCIII To my delight on running the Localtalk bridge on the LC475 all the DDP stuff was visible on both sides - ie any apple client (well the LC475 and a PCmaclan fake) could see the LCIII shares and the LCIII could see not only the localtalk LC475 shares but also the server shares from the ethernet. Perfect. I then wondered how IP over localtalk could work, and looked into MacIP. As far as I am aware there is not yet an easy way of doing this on linux - so I decided to use a mac macIP server on the LC475. I used IPnetRouter from Sustainable Softworks ([url]www.sustworks.com[/url]). This was able to give the localtalk interface an ip address, and the LCIII could make contact with it (the lc475 localtalk), but nothing beyond. I used a range 192.168.1.1/2 for localtalk and my usual 192.168.0.1/x for ethernet. The IPNR documentation is geared towards cable modems - not internal routing - all I want is to redirect from a gateway to another gateway. Am I going about this the right way? Is there a simpler routing solution... I do not understand routing properly, and I think I might be going about this all wrong. The documentaion also mentioned that I should set the LC475 to use the localtalk interface in the Appletalk Control Panel. Not only did this seem strange, it also mucks up my perfect localtalk bridge... any advice/help very much appreciated matt -- matthew fullerton Apple Mac LCIII & LC475/Linux with Netatalk This message was posted using Outlook Express 6 (sorry) [email]greatbigblackhole@hotmail.com[/email] is a real address, but don't expect anything (SPAM or otherwise) to get read [allowsmilie] => 1 [showsignature] => 0 [ipaddress] => [iconid] => 0 [visible] => 1 [attach] => 0 [infraction] => 0 [reportthreadid] => 0 [isusenetpost] => 1 [msgid] => [ref] => [htmlstate] => on_nl2br [postusername] => matt [ip] => greatbigblackho [isdeleted] => 0 [usergroupid] => [membergroupids] => [displaygroupid] => [password] => [passworddate] => [email] => [styleid] => [parentemail] => [homepage] => [icq] => [aim] => [yahoo] => [msn] => [skype] => [showvbcode] => [showbirthday] => [usertitle] => [customtitle] => [joindate] => [daysprune] => [lastvisit] => [lastactivity] => [lastpost] => [lastpostid] => [posts] => 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=> [signature] => [searchprefs] => [rank] => [icontitle] => [iconpath] => [avatarpath] => [hascustomavatar] => 0 [avatardateline] => [avwidth] => [avheight] => [edit_userid] => [edit_username] => [edit_dateline] => [edit_reason] => [hashistory] => [pagetext_html] => [hasimages] => [signatureparsed] => [sighasimages] => [sigpic] => [sigpicdateline] => [sigpicwidth] => [sigpicheight] => [postcount] => 1 [islastshown] => [isfirstshown] => 1 [attachments] => [allattachments] => ) --> (ethernet1) > Cable Modem----(ethernet2)---| > |~(localtalk)~~~LCIII[/quote] I appreciate this diagram must look hideous theres a bad but clearer one here: [url]http://www.fire-flash.net/images/diagram.gif[/url] many thanks matt -- matthew fullerton LC475/MacOS 7.5.5 and LCIII/System 7.1 This message was posted using Outlook Express 6 (sorry) [email]greatbigblackhole@hotmail.com[/email] is a real address, but don't expect anything (SPAM or otherwise) to get read [quote] > > To my delight on running the Localtalk bridge on the LC475 all the DDP[/quote] stuff [allowsmilie] => 1 [showsignature] => 0 [ipaddress] => [iconid] => 0 [visible] => 1 [attach] => 0 [infraction] => 0 [reportthreadid] => 0 [isusenetpost] => 1 [msgid] => [ref] => [htmlstate] => on_nl2br [postusername] => matt [ip] => greatbigblackho [isdeleted] => 0 [usergroupid] => [membergroupids] => [displaygroupid] => [password] => [passworddate] => [email] => [styleid] => [parentemail] => [homepage] => [icq] => [aim] => [yahoo] => [msn] => [skype] => [showvbcode] => [showbirthday] => [usertitle] => [customtitle] => [joindate] => [daysprune] => [lastvisit] => [lastactivity] => [lastpost] => [lastpostid] => [posts] => [reputation] => [reputationlevelid] => [timezoneoffset] => [pmpopup] => [avatarid] => [avatarrevision] => [profilepicrevision] => [sigpicrevision] => [options] => [akvbghsfs_optionsfield] => [birthday] => [birthday_search] => [maxposts] => [startofweek] => [referrerid] => [languageid] => [emailstamp] => [threadedmode] => [autosubscribe] => [pmtotal] => [pmunread] => [salt] => [ipoints] => [infractions] => [warnings] => [infractiongroupids] => [infractiongroupid] => [adminoptions] => [profilevisits] => [friendcount] => [friendreqcount] => [vmunreadcount] => [vmmoderatedcount] => [socgroupinvitecount] => [socgroupreqcount] => [pcunreadcount] => [pcmoderatedcount] => [gmmoderatedcount] => [assetposthash] => [fbuserid] => [fbjoindate] => [fbname] => [logintype] => [fbaccesstoken] => [newrepcount] => [vbseo_likes_in] => [vbseo_likes_out] => [vbseo_likes_unread] => [temp] => [field1] => [field2] => [field3] => [field4] => [field5] => [subfolders] => [pmfolders] => [buddylist] => [ignorelist] => [signature] => [searchprefs] => [rank] => [icontitle] => [iconpath] => [avatarpath] => [hascustomavatar] => 0 [avatardateline] => [avwidth] => [avheight] => [edit_userid] => [edit_username] => [edit_dateline] => [edit_reason] => [hashistory] => [pagetext_html] => [hasimages] => [signatureparsed] => [sighasimages] => [sigpic] => [sigpicdateline] => [sigpicwidth] => [sigpicheight] => [postcount] => 3 [islastshown] => [isfirstshown] => [attachments] => [allattachments] => ) --> (ethernet1) > Cable Modem----(ethernet2)---| > |~(localtalk)~~~LCIII[/quote] I appreciate this diagram must look hideous theres a bad but clearer one here: [url]http://www.fire-flash.net/images/diagram.gif[/url] many thanks matt -- matthew fullerton LC475/MacOS 7.5.5 and LCIII/System 7.1 This message was posted using Outlook Express 6 (sorry) [email]greatbigblackhole@hotmail.com[/email] is a real address, but don't expect anything (SPAM or otherwise) to get read [quote] > > To my delight on running the Localtalk bridge on the LC475 all the DDP[/quote] stuff [allowsmilie] => 1 [showsignature] => 0 [ipaddress] => [iconid] => 0 [visible] => 1 [attach] => 0 [infraction] => 0 [reportthreadid] => 0 [isusenetpost] => 1 [msgid] => [ref] => [htmlstate] => on_nl2br [postusername] => matt [ip] => greatbigblackho 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[socgroupreqcount] => [pcunreadcount] => [pcmoderatedcount] => [gmmoderatedcount] => [assetposthash] => [fbuserid] => [fbjoindate] => [fbname] => [logintype] => [fbaccesstoken] => [newrepcount] => [vbseo_likes_in] => [vbseo_likes_out] => [vbseo_likes_unread] => [temp] => [field1] => [field2] => [field3] => [field4] => [field5] => [subfolders] => [pmfolders] => [buddylist] => [ignorelist] => [signature] => [searchprefs] => [rank] => [icontitle] => [iconpath] => [avatarpath] => [hascustomavatar] => 0 [avatardateline] => [avwidth] => [avheight] => [edit_userid] => [edit_username] => [edit_dateline] => [edit_reason] => [hashistory] => [pagetext_html] => [hasimages] => [signatureparsed] => [sighasimages] => [sigpic] => [sigpicdateline] => [sigpicwidth] => [sigpicheight] => [postcount] => 4 [islastshown] => [isfirstshown] => [attachments] => [allattachments] => ) --> (ethernet1) > > Cable Modem----(ethernet2)---| > > |~(localtalk)~~~LCIII[/quote] > > I appreciate this diagram must look hideous theres a bad but clearer one > here: [url]http://www.fire-flash.net/images/diagram.gif[/url] > > many thanks > matt[/quote] Another Possible route to use is buy a Shiva FastPath 4 or 5 Router off Ebay. These are hardware routers specifically designed to do the job of routing AT and IP across Localtalk, and EtherTalk networks. I have seen these things go for less that the shipping costs. I have both 4's and 5's and also the Farallon StarRouter equvilant running here for many years. and once they are configured they are basically "Bulletproof". 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MacIP serving on an internal network - Mac Networking

A few days ago I got my LCIII working (thanks to people in c.s.mac.misc). My reasons for doing this were to test out some Ethertalk to Localtalk bridging/routing - as I have just got netatalk up and running nicely with an LC475 ie PC SERVER[netatalk] --- (ethernet1)----LC475----> (ethernet1) Cable Modem----(ethernet2)---| |~(localtalk)~~~LCIII To my delight on running the Localtalk bridge on the LC475 all the DDP stuff was visible on both sides - ie any apple client (well the LC475 and a PCmaclan fake) could see the LCIII shares and the LCIII could see not only the localtalk LC475 shares but ...

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    Default MacIP serving on an internal network

    A few days ago I got my LCIII working (thanks to people in c.s.mac.misc). My
    reasons for doing this were to test out some Ethertalk to Localtalk
    bridging/routing - as I have just got netatalk up and running nicely with an
    LC475 ie

    PC SERVER[netatalk] ---
    (ethernet1)----LC475----> (ethernet1)
    Cable Modem----(ethernet2)---|
    |~(localtalk)~~~LCIII

    To my delight on running the Localtalk bridge on the LC475 all the DDP stuff
    was visible on both sides - ie any apple client (well the LC475 and a
    PCmaclan fake) could see the LCIII shares and the LCIII could see not only
    the localtalk LC475 shares but also the server shares from the ethernet.
    Perfect.

    I then wondered how IP over localtalk could work, and looked into MacIP. As
    far as I am aware there is not yet an easy way of doing this on linux - so I
    decided to use a mac macIP server on the LC475. I used IPnetRouter from
    Sustainable Softworks ([url]www.sustworks.com[/url]). This was able to give the
    localtalk interface an ip address, and the LCIII could make contact with it
    (the lc475 localtalk), but nothing beyond. I used a range 192.168.1.1/2 for
    localtalk and my usual 192.168.0.1/x for ethernet.

    The IPNR doentation is geared towards cable modems - not internal
    routing - all I want is to redirect from a gateway to another gateway. Am I
    going about this the right way? Is there a simpler routing solution... I do
    not understand routing properly, and I think I might be going about this all
    wrong. The doentaion also mentioned that I should set the LC475 to use
    the localtalk interface in the Appletalk Control Panel. Not only did this
    seem strange, it also mucks up my perfect localtalk bridge...

    any advice/help very much appreciated
    matt

    --
    matthew fullerton
    Apple Mac LCIII & LC475/Linux with Netatalk
    This message was posted using Outlook Express 6 (sorry)
    [email]greatbigblackholehotmail.com[/email] is a real address, but don't expect anything
    (SPAM or otherwise) to get read


    matt Guest

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    On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 01:54:40 +0100,
    matt (greatbigblackholehotmail.com) wrote:
    > I then wondered how IP over localtalk could work, and looked into MacIP. As
    > far as I am aware there is not yet an easy way of doing this on linux
    Actually, there is. You need a localtalk card for the Linux PC. There may
    be messages in the old netatalk archives that describe the procedure to set
    this up.

    You might try posting your question on the netatalk-list -- someone there
    may be able to help you.

    Beverly
    --
    Bev A. Kupf
    "The lyfe so short, the craft so long to lerne" -- Chaucer
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    "matt" <greatbigblackholehotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:bkdk4i$jt6$1pump1.york.ac.uk...
    > A few days ago I got my LCIII working (thanks to people in c.s.mac.misc).
    My
    > reasons for doing this were to test out some Ethertalk to Localtalk
    > bridging/routing - as I have just got netatalk up and running nicely with
    an
    > LC475 ie
    >
    > PC SERVER[netatalk] ---
    > (ethernet1)----LC475----> (ethernet1)
    > Cable Modem----(ethernet2)---|
    > |~(localtalk)~~~LCIII
    I appreciate this diagram must look hideous theres a bad but clearer one
    here: [url]http://www.fire-flash.net/images/diagram.gif[/url]

    many thanks
    matt


    --
    matthew fullerton
    LC475/MacOS 7.5.5 and LCIII/System 7.1
    This message was posted using Outlook Express 6 (sorry)
    [email]greatbigblackholehotmail.com[/email] is a real address, but don't expect anything
    (SPAM or otherwise) to get read

    >
    > To my delight on running the Localtalk bridge on the LC475 all the DDP
    stuff
    <cut>


    matt Guest

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    Default Re: MacIP serving on an internal network


    "matt" <greatbigblackholehotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:bkdk4i$jt6$1pump1.york.ac.uk...
    > A few days ago I got my LCIII working (thanks to people in c.s.mac.misc).
    My
    > reasons for doing this were to test out some Ethertalk to Localtalk
    > bridging/routing - as I have just got netatalk up and running nicely with
    an
    > LC475 ie
    >
    > PC SERVER[netatalk] ---
    > (ethernet1)----LC475----> (ethernet1)
    > Cable Modem----(ethernet2)---|
    > |~(localtalk)~~~LCIII
    I appreciate this diagram must look hideous theres a bad but clearer one
    here: [url]http://www.fire-flash.net/images/diagram.gif[/url]

    many thanks
    matt


    --
    matthew fullerton
    LC475/MacOS 7.5.5 and LCIII/System 7.1
    This message was posted using Outlook Express 6 (sorry)
    [email]greatbigblackholehotmail.com[/email] is a real address, but don't expect anything
    (SPAM or otherwise) to get read

    >
    > To my delight on running the Localtalk bridge on the LC475 all the DDP
    stuff
    <cut>



    matt Guest

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    Default Re: MacIP serving on an internal network

    In article <bkdk4i$jt6$1pump1.york.ac.uk>,
    "matt" <greatbigblackholehotmail.com> wrote:
    > The IPNR doentation is geared towards cable modems - not internal
    > routing - all I want is to redirect from a gateway to another gateway. Am I
    > going about this the right way? Is there a simpler routing solution... I do
    > not understand routing properly, and I think I might be going about this all
    > wrong. The doentaion also mentioned that I should set the LC475 to use
    > the localtalk interface in the Appletalk Control Panel. Not only did this
    > seem strange, it also mucks up my perfect localtalk bridge...
    It's been a long time since I had to do this. Here's a copy of what I posted
    to this newsgroup in 1999:

    The trick is to imagine that you have 2 e-net interfaces in your router
    Mac (you don't actually need 2 e-net i/fs, but it's easier to explain
    the config if you pretend that you do). Then it's fairly clear what you
    have to do: you split your network into 2 and put all the Macs that are
    directly on ethernet on 1 interface, and the Macs that are on LocalTalk
    (bridged via the Asante or whatever you're using) on the other, and
    config IPNetRouter to router between the 2 sub-nets.

    Like so:

    ---e-net Macs---------+ (i/f 1) router Mac
    (i/f 2)
    +
    LT Macs--------bridge-----|

    The router Mac is the one where you run IPNetRouter. So this is what
    you need to do:

    1) split your network into (at least) 2 sub-nets; decide on a sub-net
    mask and assign IP addrs (remember you can't use the all 0s and all 1s
    addr in each sub-net). For example, if you decide to split your net
    into 4, your netmask is 255.255.255.192; you can use addrs 1-62 on the
    first subnet, 65-126 on the 2nd subnet and so on.

    2) configure OT for the router Mac as per the e-net Macs, both IP & AT
    are on ethernet; set sub-net mask as appr

    3) now configure IPNetRouter as follows:
    a) IP via ethernet on the main MACE interface (or NIC if you're using
    one); make sure sub-net mask matches what you set in OT
    b) create a new *logical* interface using DDP (ie IP over AppleTalk,
    aka MacIP) using the same physical MACE interface; sub-net mask must
    match what you set earlier
    c) the router Mac needs 2 IP addrs: one on the e-net sub-net, and one
    on the MacIP sub-net
    d) configure a static route between the e-net & MacIP sub-nets

    4) On your LT Macs, configure MacTCP to use ethertalk; gateway = IP
    addr of MacIP side of the router Mac

    5) on your e-net Macs, configure OT with a default route to the e-net
    side of your IPNet router.

    That should be it; if you need more details let me know. I can send you
    a IPNetRouter config file for the setup that I used here.

    My config was slightly different from yours since I had a Dayna Etherprint
    (still do) that did the ethertalk/localtalk bridging.

    --

    Sak Wathanasin
    Network ysis Limited
    [url]http://www.network-ysis.ltd.uk[/url]
    Sak Wathanasin Guest

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    "Sak Wathanasin" <swnetwork-ysis.ltd.uk> wrote in message
    news:sw-4BDB25.02434519092003mail-int.network-ysis.ltd.uk...
    > In article <bkdk4i$jt6$1pump1.york.ac.uk>,
    > "matt" <greatbigblackholehotmail.com> wrote:
    >
    <cut>
    >
    > It's been a long time since I had to do this. Here's a copy of what I
    posted
    > to this newsgroup in 1999:
    >
    > The trick is to imagine that you have 2 e-net interfaces in your router
    > Mac (you don't actually need 2 e-net i/fs, but it's easier to explain
    > the config if you pretend that you do). Then it's fairly clear what you
    > have to do: you split your network into 2 and put all the Macs that are
    > directly on ethernet on 1 interface, and the Macs that are on LocalTalk
    > (bridged via the Asante or whatever you're using) on the other, and
    > config IPNetRouter to router between the 2 sub-nets.
    I've had a good read this morning about subnets, they are something I had
    never bothered finding out about, I'd always just been happy with
    192.168.0.x and 255.255.255.0 - but having read...

    I think I will go with 4 subnets, as I may be adding an econet
    bridge/network to this at some stage
    Can I confirm/question with you the following before I go and do it:
    A subnet mask of 255.255.255.192 is needed on *all* machines
    My normal ethernet machines retain addresses 192.168.0.x (all below .63)
    The mac on the other side of the router has an address above this but below
    ..127, ie 192.168.0.71
    I leave OT on the router mac set up as usual, to do TCP/IP over ethernet and
    not MacIP on either ethertalk/localtalk
    I have Appletalk on the router mac set to Ethertalk

    For the LCIII:
    I set it to connect using Ethertalk (MacIP) in MacTCP (just checking I don't
    need to install OT for this - I can do if necessary) and Appletalk to
    Localtalk (obviously)

    In IPNR I add the ddp0 interface to the main screen with the subnet as above
    and an IP address in the 2nd range, such as 192.168.0.70
    I create a 'static' route between the subnets - what do you mean by this?
    Gateway 192.168.0.70 Destination 192.168.0.11 (assuming .11 is my no. for
    the ethernet interface on router)???? Is this done in the routing window?

    One final question, do I set masquerading to on on either interface? From
    what you've said I think I don't - and that would make sense.

    Many thanks, this makes a lot more sense than my confusion last night!
    matt

    ps If you would like to send the config file please do to MATT AT FIRE
    (hyphen) FLASH DOT NET - thanks

    --
    matthew fullerton
    LC475/MacOS 7.5.5 and LCIII/System 7.1
    This message was posted using Outlook Express 6 (sorry)
    [email]greatbigblackholehotmail.com[/email] is a real address, but don't expect anything
    (SPAM or otherwise) to get read

    >
    > Like so:
    >
    > ---e-net Macs---------+ (i/f 1) router Mac
    > (i/f 2)
    > +
    > LT Macs--------bridge-----|
    >
    > The router Mac is the one where you run IPNetRouter. So this is what
    > you need to do:
    >
    > 1) split your network into (at least) 2 sub-nets; decide on a sub-net
    > mask and assign IP addrs (remember you can't use the all 0s and all 1s
    > addr in each sub-net). For example, if you decide to split your net
    > into 4, your netmask is 255.255.255.192; you can use addrs 1-62 on the
    > first subnet, 65-126 on the 2nd subnet and so on.
    >
    > 2) configure OT for the router Mac as per the e-net Macs, both IP & AT
    > are on ethernet; set sub-net mask as appr
    >
    > 3) now configure IPNetRouter as follows:
    > a) IP via ethernet on the main MACE interface (or NIC if you're using
    > one); make sure sub-net mask matches what you set in OT
    > b) create a new *logical* interface using DDP (ie IP over AppleTalk,
    > aka MacIP) using the same physical MACE interface; sub-net mask must
    > match what you set earlier
    > c) the router Mac needs 2 IP addrs: one on the e-net sub-net, and one
    > on the MacIP sub-net
    > d) configure a static route between the e-net & MacIP sub-nets
    >
    > 4) On your LT Macs, configure MacTCP to use ethertalk; gateway = IP
    > addr of MacIP side of the router Mac
    >
    > 5) on your e-net Macs, configure OT with a default route to the e-net
    > side of your IPNet router.
    >
    > That should be it; if you need more details let me know. I can send you
    > a IPNetRouter config file for the setup that I used here.
    >
    > My config was slightly different from yours since I had a Dayna Etherprint
    > (still do) that did the ethertalk/localtalk bridging.
    >
    > --
    >
    > Sak Wathanasin
    > Network ysis Limited
    > [url]http://www.network-ysis.ltd.uk[/url]

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    Default Re: MacIP serving on an internal network


    "matt" <greatbigblackholehotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:bkej3d$1rv$1pump1.york.ac.uk...
    >
    > "Sak Wathanasin" <swnetwork-ysis.ltd.uk> wrote in message
    > news:sw-4BDB25.02434519092003mail-int.network-ysis.ltd.uk...
    > > In article <bkdk4i$jt6$1pump1.york.ac.uk>,
    > > "matt" <greatbigblackholehotmail.com> wrote:
    > >
    <cut>
    > >
    > > 5) on your e-net Macs, configure OT with a default route to the e-net
    > > side of your IPNet router.
    > >
    And one other small thing: I need to add routes back to the router mac from
    the other non mac machines? Can I do this when the other machines are
    configured to use 192.168.0.1 as their gateway?

    thanks again,
    matt
    > <cut>
    > > That should be it; if you need more details let me know. I can send you
    > > a IPNetRouter config file for the setup that I used here.
    > >
    > > My config was slightly different from yours since I had a Dayna
    Etherprint
    > > (still do) that did the ethertalk/localtalk bridging.
    > >
    > > --
    > >
    > > Sak Wathanasin
    > > Network ysis Limited
    > > [url]http://www.network-ysis.ltd.uk[/url]
    >
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    Default Re: MacIP serving on an internal network

    In article <bkej3d$1rv$1pump1.york.ac.uk>,
    "matt" <greatbigblackholehotmail.com> wrote:
    > I've had a good read this morning about subnets, they are something I had
    > never bothered finding out about, I'd always just been happy with
    > 192.168.0.x and 255.255.255.0 - but having read...
    Using separate 192.168.x.0/24 works fine; they are subnets too, just larger.
    > I create a 'static' route between the subnets - what do you mean by this?
    > Gateway 192.168.0.70 Destination 192.168.0.11 (assuming .11 is my no. for
    > the ethernet interface on router)???? Is this done in the routing window?
    Yes, I think; it was 4 years ago...
    > One final question, do I set masquerading to on on either interface? From
    > what you've said I think I don't - and that would make sense.
    No.

    There should a sample cfg file on the IPNR site that covers this scenario,
    if I remember rightly.

    I replaced the IPNR setup with a Wesbter Multigate; it has 1 e-net and 4 LT
    interfaces and handles ET/LT bridging, IP-in-DDP and DDP-in-IP (if you ever
    wanted to tunnel AppleTalk across the Internet). I no longer have any Macs
    on LT since I replaced my PB170 with an iBook, so the WMG is gathering dust
    in a storeroom. I even have a manual for it. No reasonable offer refused...
    > And one other small thing: I need to add routes back to the router mac from
    > the other non mac machines? Can I do this when the other machines are
    > configured to use 192.168.0.1 as their gateway?
    If they use the Linux box as their default gateway, just add a static route
    on the Linux box.

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  9. #9

    Default Re: MacIP serving on an internal network

    In article <bkdkmv$kbm$2pump1.york.ac.uk>,
    "matt" <greatbigblackholehotmail.com> wrote:
    > "matt" <greatbigblackholehotmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:bkdk4i$jt6$1pump1.york.ac.uk...
    > > A few days ago I got my LCIII working (thanks to people in c.s.mac.misc).
    > My
    > > reasons for doing this were to test out some Ethertalk to Localtalk
    > > bridging/routing - as I have just got netatalk up and running nicely with
    > an
    > > LC475 ie
    > >
    > > PC SERVER[netatalk] ---
    > > (ethernet1)----LC475----> (ethernet1)
    > > Cable Modem----(ethernet2)---|
    > > |~(localtalk)~~~LCIII
    >
    > I appreciate this diagram must look hideous theres a bad but clearer one
    > here: [url]http://www.fire-flash.net/images/diagram.gif[/url]
    >
    > many thanks
    > matt
    Another Possible route to use is buy a Shiva FastPath 4 or 5 Router off
    Ebay. These are hardware routers specifically designed to do the job of
    routing AT and IP across Localtalk, and EtherTalk networks. I have seen
    these things go for less that the shipping costs. I have both 4's and
    5's and also the Farallon StarRouter equvilant running here for many
    years. and once they are configured they are basically "Bulletproof".

    Bruce in alaska
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    Default Re: MacIP serving on an internal network


    "Bruce in Alaska" <brucegbtpost.net> wrote in message
    news:bruceg-E464F4.09440419092003netnews.worldnet.att.net...
    > In article <bkdkmv$kbm$2pump1.york.ac.uk>,
    > "matt" <greatbigblackholehotmail.com> wrote:
    >
    > > "matt" <greatbigblackholehotmail.com> wrote in message
    > > news:bkdk4i$jt6$1pump1.york.ac.uk...
    > > > A few days ago I got my LCIII working (thanks to people in
    c.s.mac.misc).
    <cut>
    >
    > Another Possible route to use is buy a Shiva FastPath 4 or 5 Router off
    > Ebay. These are hardware routers specifically designed to do the job of
    > routing AT and IP across Localtalk, and EtherTalk networks. I have seen
    > these things go for less that the shipping costs. I have both 4's and
    > 5's and also the Farallon StarRouter equvilant running here for many
    > years. and once they are configured they are basically "Bulletproof".
    >
    I wonder what the shipping to Ireland is... I might stick Appletalk in as
    one of my email alert ebay searches - thanks :)

    matt

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    Default Re: MacIP serving on an internal network


    "Sak Wathanasin" <swnetwork-ysis.ltd.uk> wrote in message
    news:sw-4BDB25.02434519092003mail-int.network-ysis.ltd.uk...
    > In article <bkdk4i$jt6$1pump1.york.ac.uk>,
    > "matt" <greatbigblackholehotmail.com> wrote:
    >
    <cut>
    > It's been a long time since I had to do this. Here's a copy of what I
    posted
    > to this newsgroup in 1999:
    >
    > The trick is to imagine that you have 2 e-net interfaces in your router
    > Mac
    <cut>
    >
    > That should be it; if you need more details let me know. I can send you
    > a IPNetRouter config file for the setup that I used here.
    >
    > My config was slightly different from yours since I had a Dayna Etherprint
    > (still do) that did the ethertalk/localtalk bridging.
    It works! The box for "never" forward IP was checked in the gateway window
    (another setting geared for modems?) but once unchecked it all worked just
    fine. IPNR created all the routes needed automatically and the following
    line did the trick on the linux gateway:
    route add 192.168.0.64 gw 192.168.0.11

    Does anyone know if this route(route command), and my changed
    netmask(ifconfig command) will remain on the linux box after I reboot
    (should I ever have to!). Or are the permanent settings stored elsewhere?
    This is really a linux question and I guess I shouldn't be asking it here...
    but anyway!

    thanks loads,
    matt
    >
    > --
    >
    > Sak Wathanasin
    > Network ysis Limited
    > [url]http://www.network-ysis.ltd.uk[/url]

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    Default Re: MacIP serving on an internal network


    "matt" <greatbigblackholehotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:bkhu0o$824$1pump1.york.ac.uk...
    >
    > "Sak Wathanasin" <swnetwork-ysis.ltd.uk> wrote in message
    > news:sw-4BDB25.02434519092003mail-int.network-ysis.ltd.uk...
    > > In article <bkdk4i$jt6$1pump1.york.ac.uk>,
    > > "matt" <greatbigblackholehotmail.com> wrote:
    > >
    <cut>
    >
    > Does anyone know if this route(route command), and my changed
    > netmask(ifconfig command) will remain on the linux box after I reboot
    > (should I ever have to!). Or are the permanent settings stored elsewhere?
    > This is really a linux question and I guess I shouldn't be asking it
    here...
    > but anyway!
    Never worry about this - I took the easy way out and went into the pretty
    GNOME gui and ran the network config thingy...

    matt

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