master page/facing pages problems

[Jeffrey_P_Moore@adobeforums.com]

I read about this in the archive, but there didn't seem to be a resolve.

Here is the problem:

In the layout of my magazine with facing pages, I have different masters with different color bleeds/headers. If I place two different masters next to each other, the page on the right side will pick up the master from the left. It looks fine on the screen, but after Postscripting/Distilling, it shows up.

The makeshift resolve is to Postscript these pages separately, but then it requires the left page to have a blank master in order to not effect the right side during output... Really just a pain to deal with. Wondering if anyone else has had this problem and how it was solved.

Now obviously, I could tell the file to not have facing pages, but then it forces all of the pages to have the page numbers on the upper left corner which will not work in this case, so I really need them to be facing pages.

Thanks.

[Dave_Saunders@adobeforums.com]

Are you using CS or CS2?

Dave

[Jeffrey_P_Moore@adobeforums.com]

CS

[Bob Levine]

You'll need to pull those items one point off the spine.

Bob

[Dave_Saunders@adobeforums.com]

It is enough to crop them. You don't actually have to move them 1 point. Just make the frame narrower by one point at the margin.

Dave

[Jeffrey_P_Moore@adobeforums.com]

still not working for me. i selected the inside points of the bleed on each side and moved them from the spine by 1 pt.

[Dave_Saunders@adobeforums.com]

You can't have a bleed at the spine when you're doing this. The important thing is that the background image on the right master page must start 1 point to the right of the spine.

Dave

[Eric_@_MCA@adobeforums.com]

Actually it applies to both sides. No item can touch the gutter or it will trigger the gutter-bleed bug (as I like to call it).

[Dave_Saunders@adobeforums.com]

Hmm. I produced a number of books where the problem occurred only with right-pages. But I suppose there's little harm in attending to both sides (unless you're using spiral binding, of course).

Dave

[Jeffrey_P_Moore@adobeforums.com]

when you were talking about making the frame narrower by one point at the margin, is that something in the doc setup that you are referring to?

[Dave_Saunders@adobeforums.com]

No. It refers to the elements on the page.

Dave

[Jeffrey_P_Moore@adobeforums.com]

yeah, I don't know why it still isn't working. maybe I need to mess with the gutter size or something then? everything said so far makes sense, I just can't seem to get it to work. I'll have to mess with the file some more to figure this out. A good direction though.
Thanks.

[Jeffrey_P_Moore@adobeforums.com]

is there somewhere that you can set the gutter size to fix this?

[Dave_Saunders@adobeforums.com]

It's not a gutter issue. It's a position of elements on the page issue.

You can, I suppose, make the gutter zero on the relevant master pages, switch on Layout Adjustment, then make the margins 0p1 on the inside, but that seems to be the hard way of just moving or cropping the elements since you have to go to those pages anyway.

Dave

[Jeffrey_P_Moore@adobeforums.com]

I got it!

I moved the objects 2pt away and that did it.
Thanks for your help guys, this will save my crew so much time in the future.

[Eric_@_MCA@adobeforums.com]

Dave,

Sadly, it applies to both sides equally.

You can test it easily. Create two masters A & B. Put an item touching the gutter on A-left. Make a two-page spread with B left master, A right master and export as PDF. You'll see the object from A-left on the B page...

Good times! I still can't believe Adobe never saw fit to patch that one.

[John_Slate@adobeforums.com]

What are we talking about here?

I'm not following it.

Do you mean when exporting PDF with bleed, that the color from across the gutter appears in the "bleed" area on the binding edge of each page?

[Dave_Saunders@adobeforums.com]

John,

This is a CS problem fixed in CS2. In CS, if you had facing pages using master pages that had elements that hit the spine, you could get into the following situation (I'll describe it in the form I'm familiar with, Eric indicates there are other scenarios that will hit the bug):

1. Let's say you have a master spread A that has two full page images on it that abut at the spine and another master spread B that has nothing on it.

2. On pages 2 and 3 of your document, you assign A to page 2 and B to page 3.

On screen, all looks well. But during PDF export or printing, the image from the right side of master A appears on page 3 because it is mistakenly assumed to be on page 2 by the printing/exporting software.

Dave

[Diane_King@adobeforums.com]

I actually worked around the bug by splitting the spread pages where ever two different masters met. I preferred this work around to having a little white line down the center of my page spreads. To do this, turn off allow pages to shuffle in the pages pallet menu and then move one of the pages over into the space between spreads (in the pages pallet). This creates two one page spreads with dangling right and left pages. You can then turn allow pages to shuffle back on but tell it to keep the same number of spreads. If you are working on a newsletter or other saddle stitched media, this prevents a break of color where the spreads meet. I was grateful to notice that CS2 had this bug fixed. I was able to put my spreads back together in my templates.

[AlFerrari]

then move one of the pages over into the space between spreads (in the
pages pallet).




Diane,

By that language I gather that you have the pages pallet displayed in horizontal view. But it will be confusing to those accustomed to displaying it in vertical view (not sure if those are the correct terms for the two views). I think that "move one of the pages sideways, away from the other" would be more clear.

Al Ferrari