memory usage

[martin sanabia]

i need help in being able to control my memory usage when
my computer starts. when my computer starts it is using
about 140-160 mgb of memory i would like to know what are
the nonesential tasks that i need running so that do that
i can stop the rest,but i am still able to run windows xp
home, and all its esential tasks, please help.

[Walter Clayton]

Are you actually having performance problems or do you simply think you have
a problem?

BTW: Memory is to be used and the number you're looking at is pretty much
meaningless.

--
Walter Clayton - MS MVP(WinXP)
Associate Expert
[url]http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone[/url]
Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
[url]http://www.dts-l.org[/url]
[url]http://support.microsoft.com/servicedesks/fileversion/default.asp[/url]


"martin sanabia" <sanabia2001@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:08bc01c34d43$ffddcf20$a001280a@phx.gbl...

> i need help in being able to control my memory usage when
> my computer starts. when my computer starts it is using
> about 140-160 mgb of memory i would like to know what are
> the nonesential tasks that i need running so that do that
> i can stop the rest,but i am still able to run windows xp
> home, and all its esential tasks, please help.

[Ken Blake]

In 08bc01c34d43$ffddcf20$a001280a@phx.gbl, martin sanabia wrote:

> i need help in being able to control my memory usage when
> my computer starts. when my computer starts it is using
> about 140-160 mgb of memory i would like to know what are
> the nonesential tasks that i need running so that do that
> i can stop the rest,but i am still able to run windows xp
> home, and all its esential tasks, please help.

There's nothing to help with. You apparently want to minimize the
amount of memory Windows uses, but that's a counterproductive
desire. Windows is designed to use all, or nearly all, of your
memory, all the time, and that's good not bad. Unused memory is
wasted memory. You paid for it all and shouldn't want to see any
of it wasted.

Windows works hard to find a use for all the memory you have all
the time. For example if your apps don't need some of it, it will
use that part for caching, then give it back when your apps later
need it.


--
Ken Blake
Please reply to the newsgroup

[Martin Sanabia]

i went to my task manager and looked at everything that it
shows running. i don't know which of these are third-party
software and which come from MS and are essential for my
system to run properly. please let me know which ones you
know would come w/ XP as a MUST-RUN for MS Windows 2000
Professional (also include any services from MS that i may
be running that i wouldn't want to close).

thanks

>-----Original Message-----
>Are you actually having performance problems or do you

simply think you have

>a problem?
>
>BTW: Memory is to be used and the number you're looking

at is pretty much

>meaningless.
>
>--
>Walter Clayton - MS MVP(WinXP)
>Associate Expert
>[url]http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone[/url]
>Any technology distinguishable from magic is

insufficiently advanced.

>[url]http://www.dts-l.org[/url]
>[url]http://support.microsoft.com/servicedesks/fileversion/defa[/url]

ult.asp

>
>
>"martin sanabia" <sanabia2001@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:08bc01c34d43$ffddcf20$a001280a@phx.gbl...

>> i need help in being able to control my memory usage

when

>> my computer starts. when my computer starts it is using
>> about 140-160 mgb of memory i would like to know what

are

>> the nonesential tasks that i need running so that do

that

>> i can stop the rest,but i am still able to run windows

xp

>> home, and all its esential tasks, please help.

>
>
>.
>

[Walter Clayton]

I'll repeat the question.

Do you have an actual performance problem or do you simply think you have
one?

What problem are you actually attempting to address?

--
Walter Clayton - MS MVP(WinXP)
Associate Expert
[url]http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone[/url]
Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
[url]http://www.dts-l.org[/url]
[url]http://support.microsoft.com/servicedesks/fileversion/default.asp[/url]


"Martin Sanabia" <sanabia2001@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:09f301c34d52$6d7cfa70$a001280a@phx.gbl...

> i went to my task manager and looked at everything that it
> shows running. i don't know which of these are third-party
> software and which come from MS and are essential for my
> system to run properly. please let me know which ones you
> know would come w/ XP as a MUST-RUN for MS Windows 2000
> Professional (also include any services from MS that i may
> be running that i wouldn't want to close).
>
> thanks
>
>
>
>

> >-----Original Message-----
> >Are you actually having performance problems or do you

> simply think you have

> >a problem?
> >
> >BTW: Memory is to be used and the number you're looking

> at is pretty much

> >meaningless.
> >
> >--
> >Walter Clayton - MS MVP(WinXP)
> >Associate Expert
> >[url]http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone[/url]
> >Any technology distinguishable from magic is

> insufficiently advanced.

> >[url]http://www.dts-l.org[/url]
> >[url]http://support.microsoft.com/servicedesks/fileversion/defa[/url]

> ult.asp

> >
> >
> >"martin sanabia" <sanabia2001@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >news:08bc01c34d43$ffddcf20$a001280a@phx.gbl...

> >> i need help in being able to control my memory usage

> when

> >> my computer starts. when my computer starts it is using
> >> about 140-160 mgb of memory i would like to know what

> are

> >> the nonesential tasks that i need running so that do

> that

> >> i can stop the rest,but i am still able to run windows

> xp

> >> home, and all its esential tasks, please help.

> >
> >
> >.
> >

[Walter Clayton]

And what if the OP is using those services? Do you know that they aren't?

--
Walter Clayton - MS MVP(WinXP)
Associate Expert
[url]http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone[/url]
Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
[url]http://www.dts-l.org[/url]
[url]http://support.microsoft.com/servicedesks/fileversion/default.asp[/url]


"null" <null@pc.net> wrote in message news:3F1830D7.10902@pc.net...

> Martin Sanabia wrote:

> > i went to my task manager and looked at everything that it
> > shows running. i don't know which of these are third-party
> > software and which come from MS and are essential for my
> > system to run properly. please let me know which ones you
> > know would come w/ XP as a MUST-RUN for MS Windows 2000
> > Professional (also include any services from MS that i may
> > be running that i wouldn't want to close).
> >

>
> You can probably set the following services to Manual:
>
> Distributed Link Tracking Client
> Portable Media Serial Number
> Remote Registry Service
> Themes
> Wireless Zero Configuration
> World Wide Web Publishing Service
>
>
> --
> -the small one
>
> All postings carry no guarantee or warranty, expressed or implied.
> Proceed at your own risk, and perform system and data backups prior to
> making changes to your system, and on a regular basis, to protect your
> system.
>

[martin sanabia]

let me refrase the question and no i dont have nor think i
have a performance problem. let me explain. I run a 2.6
pentium 4 ,512 ram 120 gigabytes of harddrive, when my
windows starst up it runs all the programs that came with
the computer including the essintials to run (Windows XP)
operating system and also other programs that i am not
fond of . like spamguard and windows messenger,yahoo
messenger etc. now what im tryin to do is let my computer
know that i dont want it to run these other programs that
are not essential to running my operating system for
windows xp. so that i have a faster start up and that it
is much runs much smother than before. but i dont want to
delete the programs themselves . know if i want to run the
program i woul like to do it on my own and then terminate
its process when i see fit. i understand that my computer
can handle more than 140-160mgb but i like to lower the
number so that i have more available memory when i want to
use it for bigger programs like dvd burmers or Playing
videogames, big programs that require alot of memory. i am
asking this because a friend of mine did this and he gets
better performance out of his pc, but he does not know
what tasks a essential and non essential siince a freind
of his that departed did it for him, now do you gys think
its possible or is he blowing smoke up my *ss
hopefully this clarified it a little more , and no i dont
have a problem now but like i said i dont want it to runs
progams/tasks that i am not using or dont need at the time
because they are just taking up my memory i could use for
something else. thanks sorry for the trouble

>-----Original Message-----
>I'll repeat the question.
>
>Do you have an actual performance problem or do you

simply think you have

>one?
>
>What problem are you actually attempting to address?
>
>--
>Walter Clayton - MS MVP(WinXP)
>Associate Expert
>[url]http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone[/url]
>Any technology distinguishable from magic is

insufficiently advanced.

>[url]http://www.dts-l.org[/url]
>[url]http://support.microsoft.com/servicedesks/fileversion/defa[/url]

ult.asp

>
>
>"Martin Sanabia" <sanabia2001@hotmail.com> wrote in

message

>news:09f301c34d52$6d7cfa70$a001280a@phx.gbl...

>> i went to my task manager and looked at everything that

it

>> shows running. i don't know which of these are third-

party

>> software and which come from MS and are essential for my
>> system to run properly. please let me know which ones

you

>> know would come w/ XP as a MUST-RUN for MS Windows 2000
>> Professional (also include any services from MS that i

may

>> be running that i wouldn't want to close).
>>
>> thanks
>>
>>
>>
>>

>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >Are you actually having performance problems or do you

>> simply think you have

>> >a problem?
>> >
>> >BTW: Memory is to be used and the number you're looking

>> at is pretty much

>> >meaningless.
>> >
>> >--
>> >Walter Clayton - MS MVP(WinXP)
>> >Associate Expert
>> >[url]http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone[/url]
>> >Any technology distinguishable from magic is

>> insufficiently advanced.

>> >[url]http://www.dts-l.org[/url]

>>

>[url]http://support.microsoft.com/servicedesks/fileversion/defa[/url]

>> ult.asp

>> >
>> >
>> >"martin sanabia" <sanabia2001@yahoo.com> wrote in

message

>> >news:08bc01c34d43$ffddcf20$a001280a@phx.gbl...
>> >> i need help in being able to control my memory usage

>> when

>> >> my computer starts. when my computer starts it is

using

>> >> about 140-160 mgb of memory i would like to know what

>> are

>> >> the nonesential tasks that i need running so that do

>> that

>> >> i can stop the rest,but i am still able to run

windows

>> xp

>> >> home, and all its esential tasks, please help.
>> >
>> >
>> >.
>> >

>
>
>.
>

[Walter Clayton]

????

What does the amount of real installed have to do with this?

--
Walter Clayton - MS MVP(WinXP)
Associate Expert
[url]http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone[/url]
Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
[url]http://www.dts-l.org[/url]
[url]http://support.microsoft.com/servicedesks/fileversion/default.asp[/url]


"Donald Link" <linkd@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:bfam37$6l1$1@slb4.atl.mindspring.net...

> How much memory do you have on your computer? Is a memory upgrade
> possible?
>
>
>
>
>
> "martin sanabia" <sanabia2001@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:08bc01c34d43$ffddcf20$a001280a@phx.gbl...

> > i need help in being able to control my memory usage when
> > my computer starts. when my computer starts it is using
> > about 140-160 mgb of memory i would like to know what are
> > the nonesential tasks that i need running so that do that
> > i can stop the rest,but i am still able to run windows xp
> > home, and all its esential tasks, please help.

>
>

[john]

it sounds like the quetion was not asked right. it
appears that the person wants to speed up the boot
process. many people experience the same frusrations, as
they install many software programs which are
automatically installed to start up upon booting. not
many people are experienced enough to know how to disable
the unwanted programs during boot. Also msconfig will
allow you to disable a program during start up, but it is
more complicated to remove the item, and when they boot,
msconfig will popup and state there are changes, ask you
to confirm and exit with or without restart. A lot to
comprehend for beginners. I am far from an expert, but I
bet even though you disable something from starting
during booting, some services are still loaded
unnecassarily and may also be loaded onto the task bar
for faster access. It may help to explain how to remove a
program from the msconfig menu and the taskbar so that
system boot is faster. I understand that some things are
accessed in the registry upon boot, but some others may
not be.

>-----Original Message-----
>You have a major misconception of how memory is managed

in virtual OS,

>especially one such as XP. First thing to do is ignore

that number. It is

>totally and completely irrelevant. Exactly how

irrelevant I can explain in a

>relative manner. Each process in and NT kernel is

allocated 4G of virtual

>memory. In a standard configuration 2G is allocated to

the application and

>2G is allocated to the OS for management purposes.

Conceptually, ever

>program you launch is running in it's own 4G address

space. Worrying about a

>mere 150M of memory is, literally, peanuts. As well,

there's very few

>applications or tools that reliably report the amount of

memory in use by

>the system at any given point in time. A lot of it is

data buffers anyway.

>Regardless, what's not need in real memory is paged out,

if needed and

>that's only if the page is dirty. Generally that's only

data pages rather

>than code, so attempting to reduce the amount of code

present in real memory

>is really non-productive. The system simply invalidates

the page and reuses

>it.
>
>Leave services alone, especially MS ones. Unless you're

in the business of

>doing nothing but booting the machine and get paid for

the number of reboots

>you make in a day, the amount of time saved by disabling

services is

>irrelevant. As well there is the issue of identifying

what you need versus

>what is truly optional without triggering a cascade

effect that renders the

>system non-bootable.
>
>As for cleaning up start up, go into each application

and see if there is an

>option to stop it from running at startup. If there

isn't, then use msconfig

>(start->run->msconfig) startup tab to disable startup

items.

>
>--
>Walter Clayton - MS MVP(WinXP)
>Associate Expert
>[url]http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone[/url]
>Any technology distinguishable from magic is

insufficiently advanced.

>[url]http://www.dts-l.org[/url]
>[url]http://support.microsoft.com/servicedesks/fileversion/def[/url]

ault.asp

>
>
>"martin sanabia" <sanabia2001@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:01d701c34d68$3a03c910$a501280a@phx.gbl...

>> let me refrase the question and no i dont have nor

think i

>> have a performance problem. let me explain. I run a 2.6
>> pentium 4 ,512 ram 120 gigabytes of harddrive, when my
>> windows starst up it runs all the programs that came

with

>> the computer including the essintials to run (Windows

XP)

>> operating system and also other programs that i am not
>> fond of . like spamguard and windows messenger,yahoo
>> messenger etc. now what im tryin to do is let my

computer

>> know that i dont want it to run these other programs

that

>> are not essential to running my operating system for
>> windows xp. so that i have a faster start up and that

it

>> is much runs much smother than before. but i dont want

to

>> delete the programs themselves . know if i want to run

the

>> program i woul like to do it on my own and then

terminate

>> its process when i see fit. i understand that my

computer

>> can handle more than 140-160mgb but i like to lower the
>> number so that i have more available memory when i

want to

>> use it for bigger programs like dvd burmers or Playing
>> videogames, big programs that require alot of memory.

i am

>> asking this because a friend of mine did this and he

gets

>> better performance out of his pc, but he does not know
>> what tasks a essential and non essential siince a

freind

>> of his that departed did it for him, now do you gys

think

>> its possible or is he blowing smoke up my *ss
>> hopefully this clarified it a little more , and no i

dont

>> have a problem now but like i said i dont want it to

runs

>> progams/tasks that i am not using or dont need at the

time

>> because they are just taking up my memory i could use

for

>> something else. thanks sorry for the trouble
>>

>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >I'll repeat the question.
>> >
>> >Do you have an actual performance problem or do you

>> simply think you have

>> >one?
>> >
>> >What problem are you actually attempting to address?
>> >
>> >--
>> >Walter Clayton - MS MVP(WinXP)
>> >Associate Expert
>> >[url]http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone[/url]
>> >Any technology distinguishable from magic is

>> insufficiently advanced.

>> >[url]http://www.dts-l.org[/url]

>>

>[url]http://support.microsoft.com/servicedesks/fileversion/def[/url]

a

>> ult.asp

>> >
>> >
>> >"Martin Sanabia" <sanabia2001@hotmail.com> wrote in

>> message

>> >news:09f301c34d52$6d7cfa70$a001280a@phx.gbl...
>> >> i went to my task manager and looked at everything

that

>> it

>> >> shows running. i don't know which of these are

third-

>> party

>> >> software and which come from MS and are essential

for my

>> >> system to run properly. please let me know which

ones

>> you

>> >> know would come w/ XP as a MUST-RUN for MS Windows

2000

>> >> Professional (also include any services from MS

that i

>> may

>> >> be running that i wouldn't want to close).
>> >>
>> >> thanks
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >-----Original Message-----
>> >> >Are you actually having performance problems or do

you

>> >> simply think you have
>> >> >a problem?
>> >> >
>> >> >BTW: Memory is to be used and the number you're

looking

>> >> at is pretty much
>> >> >meaningless.
>> >> >
>> >> >--
>> >> >Walter Clayton - MS MVP(WinXP)
>> >> >Associate Expert
>> >> >[url]http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone[/url]
>> >> >Any technology distinguishable from magic is
>> >> insufficiently advanced.
>> >> >[url]http://www.dts-l.org[/url]
>> >>

>>

>[url]http://support.microsoft.com/servicedesks/fileversion/def[/url]

a

>> >> ult.asp
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >"martin sanabia" <sanabia2001@yahoo.com> wrote in

>> message

>> >> >news:08bc01c34d43$ffddcf20$a001280a@phx.gbl...
>> >> >> i need help in being able to control my memory

usage

>> >> when
>> >> >> my computer starts. when my computer starts it is

>> using

>> >> >> about 140-160 mgb of memory i would like to know

what

>> >> are
>> >> >> the nonesential tasks that i need running so

that do

>> >> that
>> >> >> i can stop the rest,but i am still able to run

>> windows

>> >> xp
>> >> >> home, and all its esential tasks, please help.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >.
>> >> >
>> >
>> >
>> >.
>> >

>
>
>.
>

[Alex Nichol]

martin sanabia wrote:

>i need help in being able to control my memory usage when
>my computer starts. when my computer starts it is using
>about 140-160 mgb of memory

That is nothing at all to be bothered with. Windows tries its best at
all times to find *some* use for *all* of RAM - if it has ever any left
itt is to be taken as RAM for which there is currently no possible use
whatever. Just after boot, it will be caching every file so far used.
Read up more at [url]www.aumha.org/win5/a/xpvm.htm[/url]


--
Alex Nichol MS MVP (Windows Technologies)
Bournemouth, U.K. [email]Alexn@mvps.org[/email]

[null]

Walter Clayton wrote:

> And what if the OP is using those services? Do you know that they aren't?
>

You can go into Properties of the service for a description of what it
does, and click on the Dependencies tab to see what services are
dependent on it and what services it is dependent on. If you shutdown a
service and experience problems, restart the service and see if that
helps. The services I listed are often not needed on a PC.

--
-the small one

All postings carry no guarantee or warranty, expressed or implied.
Proceed at your own risk, and perform system and data backups prior to
making changes to your system, and on a regular basis, to protect your
system.

[Walter Clayton]

WiFi discovery not needed on a wireless network? Hmmmmmm.......... Are you
sure he's not running wireless? Although admittedly, some do and some don't
and it's not necessarily needed in all instances and in some instances must
be disabled.
Are you sure he's not doing web publishing?
How do you know he's not running themes?

etc.

In default configuration portable media serial number is already set to
manual.

You dodged the question rather lamely. Did you ask the OP what he was doing
with the machine? Remember that in this forum your assumption can be an
absolute disaster for the reader.


Giving advice on what services are not necessary without asking a single
question is extremely risky. Another issue is with cascading dependencies.
Disable/set to manual certain services and you wind up disabling more than
you bargain for with the possible result that the machine is not bootable.
And in some instances the loss of functionality isn't immediately apparent.
If you're into gaming, some games actually depend on the indexing service.
Although you can see *some* of the dependencies, not all are readily
apparent contrary to popular opinion. Disabling 3rd party services is
generally a non-issue, but start playing blindly with MS services and you're
begging for a world of hurt.

--
Walter Clayton - MS MVP(WinXP)
Associate Expert
[url]http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone[/url]
Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
[url]http://www.dts-l.org[/url]
[url]http://support.microsoft.com/servicedesks/fileversion/default.asp[/url]


"null" <null@pc.net> wrote in message news:3F1C5374.7020604@pc.net...

> Walter Clayton wrote:

> > And what if the OP is using those services? Do you know that they

aren't?

> >

>
> You can go into Properties of the service for a description of what it
> does, and click on the Dependencies tab to see what services are
> dependent on it and what services it is dependent on. If you shutdown a
> service and experience problems, restart the service and see if that
> helps. The services I listed are often not needed on a PC.
>
> --
> -the small one
>
> All postings carry no guarantee or warranty, expressed or implied.
> Proceed at your own risk, and perform system and data backups prior to
> making changes to your system, and on a regular basis, to protect your
> system.
>