Modular design using ASP

Paul Baker · Paul Baker

Mike,

I don't follow this exactly. In your third paragraph, what is a concrete
example of what you can do with PHP but not ASP?

Paul

"Mike" <sorry@sorry.com> wrote in message
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> I've been thinking about different ways to manage my site using ASP.

We've

> got a site redesign on the way and I'm just curious as to how others

achieve

> modular design.
>
> We'll have several hundred pages and I want each to have a similar

layout...

> common nav options on top, constituent nav options on the left side,
> standard header, content to the right below the header and nav bar, etc.
>
> I want to achieve this by having individual directories for each page on

the

> site. Each directory would have an index that includes a template

relative

> to the site's root. That template would then include files relative to

the

> original index to give the page content. Works in PHP, not in ASP, thus I
> can't go that route.
>
> I currently have directories for each page (with some exceptions here and
> there) that have index files that build the overall page and include

things

> like a standardized header (relative to root), standardized footer

(relative

> to root), content (relative to index), left nav bar (relative to index in
> parent directory), etc.. This works, but limits me if I want to change
> something on every page (thus I have to change hundreds of index files).
>
> Anyone have another solution? I'd love to hear it.
>
> Thanks!
>
> --
> Mike
>
>

Mike · Mike

"Paul Baker" <ask> wrote in message
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> Mike,
>
> I don't follow this exactly. In your third paragraph, what is a concrete
> example of what you can do with PHP but not ASP?

The PHP code below works...

' some index.php buried several levels down
<?php
include( $_SERVER["DOCUMENT_ROOT"] . "/templates/_main.php" );
?>

' /templates/_main.php
<?php
include( "_data.php" ); <--- IN SAME DIR AS INDEX.PHP
?>
<html>
<head><title>TITLE</title></head>
<body>
include( "_content.php" ); <--- IN SAME DIR AS INDEX.PHP
?>
</body>
</html>

The ASP code below doesn't work...

' some index.asp buried several levels down


' /templates/normal.asp
 <-- IN SAME DIR AS INDEX.ASP
<html>
<head><title>TITLE</title></head>
<body>
 <-- IN SAME DIR AS INDEX.ASP
</body>
</html>

I can't seem to include relative to the parent file when using nested
includes in ASP like I can when using PHP. I'd really like to be wrong or
maybe have a misconfigured server, but the documentation I've read states
that 'include file' includes the file that is located in the same directory
as the file with the include statement.

This isn't a slam on ASP or a PHP vs ASP attempt... I actually prefer ASP.
I just saw something I liked in PHP that I wasn't able to duplicate in ASP
on IIS 4.0.

There are workarounds, but the only one that will allow me to use ASP code
in the innermost included file is server.execute which isn't available until
5.0 (we might move to IIS 6.0 but my Win2k3 trial server is currently
offline so I haven't tested).

--
Mike

Jeff Cochran · Jeff Cochran

>The ASP code below doesn't work...

>
>' some index.asp buried several levels down
>
>
>' /templates/normal.asp
> <-- IN SAME DIR AS INDEX.ASP
><html>
><head><title>TITLE</title></head>
><body>
> <-- IN SAME DIR AS INDEX.ASP
></body>
></html>
>
>I can't seem to include relative to the parent file when using nested
>includes in ASP like I can when using PHP. I'd really like to be wrong or
>maybe have a misconfigured server, but the documentation I've read states
>that 'include file' includes the file that is located in the same directory
>as the file with the include statement.

What doesn't work? And what do you see? Do you have URLScan running
and possibly blocking the path? Have you tried just #include file =
"myfile.asp" as the format (no path designator with the dot and
backslash)?

Jeff

Mike · Mike

"Jeff Cochran" <jcochran.nospam@naplesgov.com> wrote in message
news:3f33e677.8813803@news.easynews.com...

> >The ASP code below doesn't work...
> >
> >' some index.asp buried several levels down
> >
> >
> >' /templates/normal.asp
> > <-- IN SAME DIR AS INDEX.ASP
> ><html>
> ><head><title>TITLE</title></head>
> ><body>
> > <-- IN SAME DIR AS INDEX.ASP
> ></body>
> ></html>
> >

> What doesn't work? And what do you see? Do you have URLScan running
> and possibly blocking the path? Have you tried just #include file =
> "myfile.asp" as the format (no path designator with the dot and
> backslash)?

Active Server Pages error 'ASP 0126'
Include file not found
/templates/normal.asp, line 3
The include file './data.asp' was not found.

Active Server Pages error 'ASP 0126'
Include file not found
/templates/normal.asp, line 3
The include file 'data.asp' was not found.

I don't use URLScan on this server. I can also use the browser to load up
data.asp. In addition, the whole thing works if I stick data.asp in the
directory of the 2nd tier include file (normal.asp). This makes me think
it's including relative to the 2nd tier include file and not the overall
parent file.

Thanks for the tips though.

--
Mike

Tom B · Tom B

if you use #include file then it looks relative to the file calling it. if
you use #include virtual then it goes from the root.



note that there is no preceding slash (/) as it "knows" that it's relative
to the root.

"Mike" <sorry@sorry.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Jeff Cochran" <jcochran.nospam@naplesgov.com> wrote in message
> news:3f33e677.8813803@news.easynews.com...

> > >The ASP code below doesn't work...
> > >
> > >' some index.asp buried several levels down
> > >
> > >
> > >' /templates/normal.asp
> > > <-- IN SAME DIR AS INDEX.ASP
> > ><html>
> > ><head><title>TITLE</title></head>
> > ><body>
> > > <-- IN SAME DIR AS INDEX.ASP
> > ></body>
> > ></html>
> > >

> > What doesn't work? And what do you see? Do you have URLScan running
> > and possibly blocking the path? Have you tried just #include file =
> > "myfile.asp" as the format (no path designator with the dot and
> > backslash)?

>
> Active Server Pages error 'ASP 0126'
> Include file not found
> /templates/normal.asp, line 3
> The include file './data.asp' was not found.
>
> Active Server Pages error 'ASP 0126'
> Include file not found
> /templates/normal.asp, line 3
> The include file 'data.asp' was not found.
>
> I don't use URLScan on this server. I can also use the browser to load up
> data.asp. In addition, the whole thing works if I stick data.asp in the
> directory of the 2nd tier include file (normal.asp). This makes me think
> it's including relative to the 2nd tier include file and not the overall
> parent file.
>
> Thanks for the tips though.
>
> --
> Mike
>
>

Shailesh Humbad · Shailesh Humbad

One site I've been working on has over 200 modules, and needs to be
updated frequently and installed on multiple machines. It used to have
files in different directories, but I removed all the directories
(except a few for development-related files). Now, to get a list of the
updated files for the day, I just sort the directory by file time, and
copy that day's updated files to an 'updates-YYYY-MM-DD' directory.
This update can be easily copy-pasted onto the other machines.

Having all the ASP files in one directory also eliminates all file
referencing problems related to directories, e.g. broken links when
moving a file from one directory to another, or renaming a directory, or
putting a file in a sub-directory. When one can assume that all the
files are in the same directory, one eliminates a *lot* of mostly
unnecessary work (in this case).

To keep the files organized, they are named similarly depending on their
major function. The major groups are list*.asp, change*.asp,
include.*.asp, system.*.asp, *report.asp, etc.

Functions that occur in many pages, are placed in the include files, and
sometimes placed in a class within the include file. For example,
include.documents.class.asp for dealing with documents. Any
document-related file that needs these functions includes it like:



at the top of the page. Another example, the authentication and
database include files are included by nearly every file.

This program uses frames to acheive a consistent navigation interface.
The top frame is a thin vertical bar of buttons, and the bottom frame is
the content frame. The top frame is always visibile. To maintain a
consistent style, every file includes a reference to a common style sheet.

I think this program could be even better organized, but the current
system seems to work well. If you were not using frames, you could
place the navigation-related html code in an include file. Note that
#include includes a file *before* the ASP code is executed.

Good luck,
Shailesh

Mike wrote:

> I've been thinking about different ways to manage my site using ASP. We've
> got a site redesign on the way and I'm just curious as to how others achieve
> modular design.
>
> We'll have several hundred pages and I want each to have a similar layout...
> common nav options on top, constituent nav options on the left side,
> standard header, content to the right below the header and nav bar, etc.
>
> I want to achieve this by having individual directories for each page on the
> site. Each directory would have an index that includes a template relative
> to the site's root. That template would then include files relative to the
> original index to give the page content. Works in PHP, not in ASP, thus I
> can't go that route.
>
> I currently have directories for each page (with some exceptions here and
> there) that have index files that build the overall page and include things
> like a standardized header (relative to root), standardized footer (relative
> to root), content (relative to index), left nav bar (relative to index in
> parent directory), etc.. This works, but limits me if I want to change
> something on every page (thus I have to change hundreds of index files).
>
> Anyone have another solution? I'd love to hear it.
>
> Thanks!
>
> --
> Mike
>
>

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