Moving the printable area of a document...

[Warren Forsk]

How do you modify the printable area of a document without changing its
dimensions? Can it be dragged with the mouse, or are there numerical values
hidden somewhere?

[steggy]

Warren Forsk wrote:

>
> How do you modify the printable area of a document without changing its
> dimensions? Can it be dragged with the mouse, or are there numerical values
> hidden somewhere?

Your printable area is depending on your printer + driver.
As far as I know you cannot change that, but why should you
want to?
--
steg

[Warren Forsk]

Because my document is 5 square inches large, and the printable area appx. 4
square inches, meaning I am missing data all around.

I can't get AI to print the entire 5" document!

I have no problems printing full pages with Photoshop or Quark!

Arg!

"steggy" <steggy@bnrd.invalid.net> wrote in message
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> Warren Forsk wrote:

> >
> > How do you modify the printable area of a document without changing its
> > dimensions? Can it be dragged with the mouse, or are there numerical

values

> > hidden somewhere?

>
> Your printable area is depending on your printer + driver.
> As far as I know you cannot change that, but why should you
> want to?
> --
> steg

[Alexgirl]

what are your print settings at? Are you actually printing on such a small
paper?

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Alex
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"Warren Forsk" <wforsk@REMOVEMEscoopthis.com> wrote in message
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> Because my document is 5 square inches large, and the printable area appx.

4

> square inches, meaning I am missing data all around.
>
> I can't get AI to print the entire 5" document!
>
> I have no problems printing full pages with Photoshop or Quark!
>
> Arg!
>
> "steggy" <steggy@bnrd.invalid.net> wrote in message
> news:4073530E.4850B7D9@bnrd.invalid.net...

> > Warren Forsk wrote:

> > >
> > > How do you modify the printable area of a document without changing

its

> > > dimensions? Can it be dragged with the mouse, or are there numerical

> values

> > > hidden somewhere?

> >
> > Your printable area is depending on your printer + driver.
> > As far as I know you cannot change that, but why should you
> > want to?
> > --
> > steg

>
>

[Warren Forsk]

I'm not sure what you mean (I'm new to AI).

My document size is 5" x 5"

So the black outline is 5" x 5" (according to the rulers).

According to those same rulers, the canvas itself is actually humongous
(wish it wasn't) at 200" x 200" (that's how far I can scroll to)

The printable area is smaller than the document size.

I am working on a 5" x 5" label.

"Alexgirl" <noberwickspam@on.aibn.com> wrote in message
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> what are your print settings at? Are you actually printing on such a small
> paper?
>
> --
> Alex
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>
>
> "Warren Forsk" <wforsk@REMOVEMEscoopthis.com> wrote in message
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> > Because my document is 5 square inches large, and the printable area

appx.

> 4

> > square inches, meaning I am missing data all around.
> >
> > I can't get AI to print the entire 5" document!
> >
> > I have no problems printing full pages with Photoshop or Quark!
> >
> > Arg!

[steggy]

You mentioned this problem before. A canvas of 200" square
is not normal:))

If I specify a landscape letter, I get the letter full
screen almost, with hardly any canvas around it. Are you
outzoomed when you start a new document?? Try and see what
happens when you throw away the Preference file.

=========

I understand you are trying to do a lay out in Illy, which
is of course possible, surely with a label.

What you should do is just make a letter (or A4, not sure
where you are from), make your design in a square of 5 x 5"
(so you are from America DUH LOL).

Just draw a box of 5x5, because that is the label you want,
and place all the art in that square. If you finished it
all, select the square, go to Edit>>Crop Marks>> Make.

There you are. You will end up with one object, including
crop (trim) marks that are sufficient to cut the object
exactly to its size.

Your choice of a 5x5" inch doc, makes your printer think it
is a 5x5" piece of paper, and you printer cannot handle
bleed I assume, so the dotted lines give you the borders of
where the ink will be on your printer.

By the way a professional (off set) printer will not
encounter these problems. If you place your doc on a disk
and go to a friend with a different printer, the dotted
lines will most probably be differently placed.
The Pro printer will just print all you have, because he is
going to a typesetter, through a RIP, which has a completely
different driver.
But starting out with a letterhead (like you are really
drawing on a scratchbook) is the way to go.

Last remark. The real way to go is making your design like I
described, placing it in a 5 x 5 inch document in XPress or
InDesign. That is what the printing office is probably gonna
do anyway, and then place more images on one sheet, with
crop marks.

steg


Most printyer Warren Forsk wrote:

>
> I'm not sure what you mean (I'm new to AI).
>
> My document size is 5" x 5"
>
> So the black outline is 5" x 5" (according to the rulers).
>
> According to those same rulers, the canvas itself is actually humongous
> (wish it wasn't) at 200" x 200" (that's how far I can scroll to)
>
> The printable area is smaller than the document size.
>
> I am working on a 5" x 5" label.
>
> "Alexgirl" <noberwickspam@on.aibn.com> wrote in message
> news:PgJcc.24640$wq4.1223839@news20.bellglobal.com ...

> > what are your print settings at? Are you actually printing on such a small
> > paper?
> >
> > --
> > Alex
> > Use between nospam to reply
> >
> >
> >
> > "Warren Forsk" <wforsk@REMOVEMEscoopthis.com> wrote in message
> > news:c4vk84$1jil$1@news.wplus.net...

> > > Because my document is 5 square inches large, and the printable area

> appx.

> > 4

> > > square inches, meaning I am missing data all around.
> > >
> > > I can't get AI to print the entire 5" document!
> > >
> > > I have no problems printing full pages with Photoshop or Quark!
> > >
> > > Arg!

[steggy]

Warren Forsk wrote:

>
>
> According to those same rulers, the canvas itself is actually humongous
> (wish it wasn't) at 200" x 200" (that's how far I can scroll to)
>

Now I got you, yes when you scroll it is huge huh:)

Never had any problem with that, just click Cmnd-0 (Mac) and
your document is right centered on your screen.
--
steg

[Warren Forsk]

But it's a 5" x 5" document. The registration marks are pointing in the
right place. Making the document bigger will mean more hassles on the
printer's side later, as he tries aligning the artwork with the labels
themselves.

I would understand making the document 1/4" larger all around for bleed
space, but I don't understand adding several inches all around just so the
printable area can "see" a mere 5 inches.

Is it a bug? There is no reason why the printable area cannot encompass an
small 5"x5" document, is there?

If I create a 5"x5" document in Photoshop, it will print the whole 5". The
paper can take up to 8" across.

Why this problem with AI?


"AlwaysCorrect" <AlwaysCorrect@AC.com> wrote in message
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>
> Just start out with a larger document.
>
> in article c4vtov$2ml$1@news.wplus.net, Warren Forsk at
> [email]wforsk@REMOVEMEscoopthis.com[/email] wrote on 04/06/2004 8:50 PM:
>

> > I'm not sure what you mean (I'm new to AI).
> >
> > My document size is 5" x 5"
> >
> > So the black outline is 5" x 5" (according to the rulers).
> >
> > According to those same rulers, the canvas itself is actually humongous
> > (wish it wasn't) at 200" x 200" (that's how far I can scroll to)
> >
> > The printable area is smaller than the document size.
> >
> > I am working on a 5" x 5" label.

[steggy]

Warren Forsk wrote:

>
> But it's a 5" x 5" document. The registration marks are pointing in the
> right place. Making the document bigger will mean more hassles on the
> printer's side later, as he tries aligning the artwork with the labels
> themselves.
>
> I would understand making the document 1/4" larger all around for bleed
> space, but I don't understand adding several inches all around just so the
> printable area can "see" a mere 5 inches.
>
> Is it a bug? There is no reason why the printable area cannot encompass an
> small 5"x5" document, is there?
>
> If I create a 5"x5" document in Photoshop, it will print the whole 5". The
> paper can take up to 8" across.
>
> Why this problem with AI?
>

There is no problem with AI.

AI was made for drawing. Objects, logo's, schematic stuff,
free drawing, whatever you have. The drawings are then
supposed to go to InDesign (or XPress, last time I mentioned
that one), add the photo's and other rastrerized stuff from
Photoshop, add the text into InDesign, make the lay out and
there you go.

So what you have is a big canvas, a opportunity to make a
document size, but the object will be always "separated"
from the document size. I always work from a A4/Lettersize
document really. Once I made a buisnesscard, exactly on the
document size of that card. Because that weird printer guy
asked for it. But that is not the way to go.

See the canvas as your desk. Place a document on your desk,
and start drawing.

That is why you can make trim marks by making an exact box,
exactly placed around the total artwork and make the trim
(crop) marks.
--
steg

[Warren Forsk]

Understood. I thought the program would know what to do with a 5" document,
like Photoshop does. Photoshop only needs the true document size, not the
size of the paper it will be printed on.

Guess AI is different. I'm using a letter-size canvas now. Thanks.

"steggy" <steggy@bnrd.invalid.net> wrote in message
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>
> That is why you can make trim marks by making an exact box,
> exactly placed around the total artwork and make the trim
> (crop) marks.