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I'm getting hit by hundreds of 'MS Update' spam emails each day. Most have a 145k .exe attached and it's been using up my broadband allowance just checking the mail. I now have to log onto my ISP's webmail and delete them there before checking the mail. Then I have to empty the 'Deleted' folder so that my mailbox doesn't overflow. This is tedious. Is there an app for OS X that will log onto a POP server, decide what is and what isn't SPAM and delete it (or, better, bounce it back to sender)? Steve = : ^ )...

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    I'm getting hit by hundreds of 'MS Update' spam emails each day. Most have a
    145k .exe attached and it's been using up my broadband allowance just
    checking the mail.

    I now have to log onto my ISP's webmail and delete them there before
    checking the mail. Then I have to empty the 'Deleted' folder so that my
    mailbox doesn't overflow.

    This is tedious. Is there an app for OS X that will log onto a POP server,
    decide what is and what isn't SPAM and delete it (or, better, bounce it back
    to sender)?

    Steve = : ^ )


    Steve Guest

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    In article <BB9A365F.1B7BA%thing>,
    Steve B. <thing> wrote: 
     

    I'd recommend using Eudora for OS X (I've just downloaded v6 but v5.2 will
    do what you want).

    You can set a maximum message size so that anything over (say 50K) will be
    left on the server and you can delete it without downloading it. There's a
    simple toggle in the message view window which allows you to either
    download the full message or simply delete it.

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    Goodbye.
    Paul Guest

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    Steve B. <thing> wrote:
     

    POPmonitor does just that: www.vechtwijk.nl
    HJ Guest

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    On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 08:30:57 GMT, Steve B. <thing> wrote: 

    I'd call up your ISP and ask them to filter out what is, by now, something
    they've got plenty of samples of from which to build a filter. It's
    a known nuisance, it's a problem for them as much as for you, and there
    are ISPs who have been blocking it from the start.

    If they can't or won't, you could always switch providers completely, or
    subscribe to someone who will fetch your mail, clean it, and put it
    wherever you want it (spamcop does this for me; I've had zero copies of
    the virus in my inbox or held-mail bucket).
     

    Don't bother bouncing back; lots (most) of the recent viruses, and almost
    all of the spam, has a forged sender, so the person getting the bounces
    is just another innocent victim.

    If more people would demand of their ISPs that the filter for viruses
    (...and spam...) both incoming and outgoing, then the transport for spam
    and email viruses would be broken, and all of our mailboxes would be more
    usable. Call yours up, and remind them you do have options who will, if
    they won't.

    Dave Hinz

    Dave Guest

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    I have friends who send messages with jpegs attached. I need more than size
    as a criterion.

    Steve = : ^ )

    Paul said:
     

    >
    > I'd recommend using Eudora for OS X (I've just downloaded v6 but v5.2 will
    > do what you want).
    >
    > You can set a maximum message size so that anything over (say 50K) will be
    > left on the server and you can delete it without downloading it. There's a
    > simple toggle in the message view window which allows you to either
    > download the full message or simply delete it.[/ref]

    Steve Guest

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    Thanks Dave. I _will_ call my ISP. This has gone on long enough1

    Steve = : ^ )

    Dave Hinz said:
     
    >
    > I'd call up your ISP and ask them to filter out what is, by now, something
    > they've got plenty of samples of from which to build a filter. It's
    > a known nuisance, it's a problem for them as much as for you, and there
    > are ISPs who have been blocking it from the start.
    >
    > If they can't or won't, you could always switch providers completely, or
    > subscribe to someone who will fetch your mail, clean it, and put it
    > wherever you want it (spamcop does this for me; I've had zero copies of
    > the virus in my inbox or held-mail bucket).

    >
    > Don't bother bouncing back; lots (most) of the recent viruses, and almost
    > all of the spam, has a forged sender, so the person getting the bounces
    > is just another innocent victim.
    >
    > If more people would demand of their ISPs that the filter for viruses
    > (...and spam...) both incoming and outgoing, then the transport for spam
    > and email viruses would be broken, and all of our mailboxes would be more
    > usable. Call yours up, and remind them you do have options who will, if
    > they won't.
    >
    > Dave Hinz
    >[/ref]

    Steve Guest

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    In article <BB9A8295.1BA16%thing>,
    "Steve B." <thing> wrote:
     

    If a message is larger than the max size that you've set, Eudora just
    downloads the first part of the message and leaves the rest of it on the
    server. If you decide you want the whole message, you tell Eudora to
    download the whole message. If it's spam, you tell Eudora to delete it
    from the server.

    You can also set up filters in Eudora to differentiate between spam and
    legitimate email, delete the spam from the mail server, and send the
    spam to Eudora's trash. But you have to be careful about setting your
    filters so they won't delete your friends' messages by mistake.
    Wayne Guest

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    Earthlink gave me a little advice on setting mail app so that Web Mail
    storage for a given message would be cleaned out immediately when the
    message is deleted from Mail ( Mail -> Prefs -> Account -> Edit ->
    Advanced ). That saves cleaning out Web Mail which is a huge pain.

    I complained that the filtering should be done while the message was in
    transit. I was told to email abuse.earthlink.net. I did so and was told
    in an auto generated reply that I had to provide the address of the
    sender of the spam. Well every message of the MS patch type has a
    diffenent sending address (that of the infected computer ). I have
    received several hundred so far!

    Aggh. If I could get my hands on one of these passive-aggressive evaders
    at Earthlink I would eliminate them and their first-born.

    Steve B. wrote: 
    >>
    >>I'd call up your ISP and ask them to filter out what is, by now, something
    >>they've got plenty of samples of from which to build a filter. It's
    >>a known nuisance, it's a problem for them as much as for you, and there
    >>are ISPs who have been blocking it from the start.
    >>
    >>If they can't or won't, you could always switch providers completely, or
    >>subscribe to someone who will fetch your mail, clean it, and put it
    >>wherever you want it (spamcop does this for me; I've had zero copies of
    >>the virus in my inbox or held-mail bucket).
    >>
    >> 
    >>
    >>Don't bother bouncing back; lots (most) of the recent viruses, and almost
    >>all of the spam, has a forged sender, so the person getting the bounces
    >>is just another innocent victim.
    >>
    >>If more people would demand of their ISPs that the filter for viruses
    >>(...and spam...) both incoming and outgoing, then the transport for spam
    >>and email viruses would be broken, and all of our mailboxes would be more
    >>usable. Call yours up, and remind them you do have options who will, if
    >>they won't.
    >>
    >>Dave Hinz
    >>[/ref]
    >
    >[/ref]

    John Guest

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    In article <BB9A365F.1B7BA%thing>, Steve B.
    <thing> wrote:
     
    PopMonitor is one of the better known apps. It will check your mail at
    intervals you set, and it will delete mail from the server according to
    rules you configure. It will also bounce; however, since most of the
    "From" addresses are forged, bouncing just increases the traffic
    created by the virus.

    SpamSieve is another. If you put "spam" in the versiontracker OS X
    search box, you will see some other choices.

    Luckily, my ISP has SpamAssassin - you might check to see if your ISP
    has a spam-trapping utility.

    Cathy

    --
    "there's a dance or two in the old dame yet." - mehitabel

    C.Stevenson, M.D.
    net
    Cathy Guest

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    In article <BB9A8295.1BA16%thing>,
    "Steve B." <thing> wrote:
     

    Try SpamSieve.
    Integrates with many mail clients, including Eudora.
    Does an excellent job with quite a lot of intelligence.

    HTH

    Marc

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    Marc Guest

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    Thanks.

    Wayne C. Morris said:
     
    >
    > If a message is larger than the max size that you've set, Eudora just
    > downloads the first part of the message and leaves the rest of it on the
    > server. If you decide you want the whole message, you tell Eudora to
    > download the whole message. If it's spam, you tell Eudora to delete it
    > from the server.
    >
    > You can also set up filters in Eudora to differentiate between spam and
    > legitimate email, delete the spam from the mail server, and send the
    > spam to Eudora's trash.[/ref]

    Both of these? If the message goes to Eudora's trash, I've downloaded it
    which is the problem. It wastes my bandwidth allowance.

    Steve = : ^ )
     

    Steve Guest

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    Marc Heusser said:
     
    >
    > Try SpamSieve.
    > Integrates with many mail clients, including Eudora.
    > Does an excellent job with quite a lot of intelligence.[/ref]

    To make sure you were in on the start of the thread, I have to delete SPAM
    *at the server*, not download it and send it to the trash automatically. I
    can do this now. Does SpamSieve do what I need?

    Thanks in advance,
    Steve = : ^ )

    Steve Guest

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    John Nestor <net> wrote:
     

    You are wasting your breath (or fingers) on EarthLink support: EarthLink
    will do ~nothing~ to help its customers deal with Swen. Your only
    practical solution is to create another email address -- perhaps at
    another ISP? -- and not use that address on Usenet or in any other
    public forum.
    Neill Guest

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    In article <BB9AEFC2.1BA8C%thing>,
    "Steve B." <thing> wrote:
     
    >
    > Both of these? If the message goes to Eudora's trash, I've downloaded
    > it which is the problem. It wastes my bandwidth allowance.[/ref]

    Yes, both.

    No, you might not have downloaded it yet. Not the *whole* message.

    If an email is bigger than your "skip messages over __ K" limit, Eudora
    downloads just the first few lines, enough for you to decide whether you
    want to download the whole thing. If you don't want it, send the
    (partial) message to Eudora's Trash and delete the (complete) message
    from your mail server. Of course this is only effective on spam
    messages that are bigger than the limit you've chosen.

    Eudora 6 supposedly has new options to download just the headers, or to
    download the entire message without attachments. You can then mark
    which messages/attachments you want to download, and which ones you want
    to delete from the server. I haven't tried Eudora 6 yet, but I assume
    that filters can be used to mark messages for download or deletion.

    Eudora 6 also has new anti-spam features, but the web site and manual
    don't say whether their spam filters will work effectively if you're
    only downloading the message headers.
    Wayne Guest

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    In article <3i_cb.6954$news.atl.earthlink.net>, John
    Nestor <net> wrote:
     

    Most POP apps have an equivalent setting. Eudora for example has a swich
    to delete mail from server when emptied from trash.

    --
    John Rethorst

    jrethorst -at- post -dot- com
    John Guest

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    In article <BB9AF020.1BA8D%thing>,
    "Steve B." <thing> wrote:
     
    > >
    > > Try SpamSieve.
    > > Integrates with many mail clients, including Eudora.
    > > Does an excellent job with quite a lot of intelligence.[/ref]
    >
    > To make sure you were in on the start of the thread, I have to delete SPAM
    > *at the server*, not download it and send it to the trash automatically. I
    > can do this now. Does SpamSieve do what I need?[/ref]

    IF that is what you want: No.
    SpamSieve works on the entire message, including headers.
    I have not tried yet to set my e-mail programme to only eg download the
    first 10 k, and let it work on this. It should work. You can always
    download the rest of your good messages later.
    There is a fully working demo, so you might try if it fits your bill.
    If I look at what triggers SpamSieve usually for me (it does real
    statistical ysis based on your mail, so what triggers it is
    different for each user, that's what makes it strong), it is:
    sending IP addresses
    certain from addresses
    certain domain names
    certain return addresses
    certain subject words
    certain relays
    images to be downloaded by a link containing my name
    russian words
    certain english words
    certain headers
    blacklist (automaticall maintained)
    etc

    The essence: headers are important, but less and less useful - very
    often it is only by the content you can catch it. On the other hand you
    rarely need to download the attachments to categorize, so it is worth a
    try to get the e-mail programme to only download the first 10 or 20 kB
    first.

    Unless you can get your ISP to install a decent rule based filter (eg
    using procmail), you have little choice but to download first the body
    of the message (excluding attachments).

    HTH

    Marc

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    Marc Guest

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    Marc Heusser <comMERCIALSPAMMERS.invalid>
    wrote:
     

    SpamSieve works on all it can see from your message, at least with
    Powermail.
    This means it does work when I download only the beginning part of big
    messages (the 'limit to xx K' feature described somewhere else in this
    thread), and it does work too on titles only when I connect via IMAP. In
    both cases I get my spam filtered, although in the IMAP case it won't
    move it to a spam folder but only tag it.

    Herve

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    Tmicha <www.tmicha.net> provides for free
    - email accounts that are spam-free (filtered on the server)
    - simpler "redirecting" addresses that will filter similarly any mail
    flow you redirect to them, before resending only the good mail wherever
    you want.
    In both cases you can maintain your old, spammed address, but you need
    to create a new one also.

    Many other services exist (google for 'free spam account' or similar),
    most of them charge around $30/year.
    Tmicha filters out at least 80% of my spam currently.

    Herve

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