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Jean-Pierre Radley wrote: [/ref]   Talked to a lady at SCO and she said they have to buy the upgrade. If this is the case, will 5.0.5 liscenses work if I buy the 5.0.7 media kit? -eric wood...

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    Jean-Pierre Radley wrote: [/ref]
     

    Talked to a lady at SCO and she said they have to buy the upgrade. If this
    is the case, will 5.0.5 liscenses work if I buy the 5.0.7 media kit?

    -eric wood


    Eric Guest

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    Default Re: Need Openserver 5.0.5 Media Kit

    On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 17:13:31 -0400, Jean-Pierre Radley wrote: 

    I understand that there's not much of a diff between 5.0.5 and 5.0.6.
    However, why does SCO make you think you need to purchase the upgrade?:

    http://www.unixpress.com/sco/unix/openserver/5/SCOOpenServerUpgrades.html

    I'll take you word for it and will try to install 5.0.6 next week
    with the 5.0.5 licenses.

    -eric wood
    Eric Guest

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    Eric Wood wrote:
     
    >
    > I understand that there's not much of a diff between 5.0.5 and 5.0.6.
    > However, why does SCO make you think you need to purchase the upgrade?:
    >
    > http://www.unixpress.com/sco/unix/openserver/5/SCOOpenServerUpgrades.html
    >
    > I'll take you word for it and will try to install 5.0.6 next week
    > with the 5.0.5 licenses.[/ref]

    It's a chargable upgrade. To be in compliance with the product's
    license terms, you must buy the upgrade. JPR is right, however, that
    OSR506 does not enforce this in software. OSR507 does.
     
    Bela Guest

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    Default SCO frustration.... Was: Need Openserver 5.0.5 Media Kit

    Thanks Bela. I see you work at SCO but you must understand why I have much
    difficulty supporting SCO as opposed to Linux. It not so much the technical
    side.... it's mainly that I'm numbed with licensing.

    1. What is the logic of not providing iso images of cd's? We're forced to
    buy a media kit because the manual is that valuable?
    2. Aren't licenses good enough since you must enter the code before
    installation proceeds?
    3. What can't I purchase (preferably download) a discontiued version of SCO
    media kit to help out an end user? They lost the cd and SCO is forcing them
    to upgrade? In their eyes, this only looks bad to SCO.
    4. I read a review on 5.0.6 which has minor enhancements to 5.0.5
    (http://www.aplawrence.com/Reviews/osr506.html) I don't see that value from
    what I read. There's got to be some logic into why 5.0.5 licenses will work
    in 5.0.6. Maybe managment thought they would be nice and consider this a
    mostly "bug fix" release. Still, this ought to be stated. Will there be a
    5.0.6 patch that effectively disables 5.0.5 licenses to punish those of us
    doing this. If 5.0.7 contains significant more value, then fine.. charge for
    the upgrade. But if 5.0.6 doesn't then don't charge. Or make 5.0.5 media
    kits available for download. I'm not asking that much.
    5. http://www.caldera.com/products/openserver/506factsheet.html..... lot's
    of broken links at SCO....

    Feel free to let a SCO Product manager call me to discuss.
    -Eric Wood
    InterTelcom LLC
    www.intertelcom.com
    864-676-9585

     
    > It's a chargable upgrade. To be in compliance with the product's
    > license terms, you must buy the upgrade. JPR is right, however, that
    > OSR506 does not enforce this in software. OSR507 does.[/ref]


    Eric Guest

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    Default Re: SCO frustration.... Was: Need Openserver 5.0.5 Media Kit

    Eric Wood wrote:
     

    I'm not in charge of this stuff, I can only guess why things are the way
    they are. I would guess that OpenServer ISO images are absent due to
    (1) a lingering feeling that providing such large items for download
    would overburden net connections (probably obsolete), and (2) a feeling
    that providing images would imply, to certain people, that licenses
    weren't "really necessary".
     

    I'm pretty sure that if you find the right person at SCO, you _can_
    order obsolete media kits. "The right person" really ought to be anyone
    you reach on an order phonecall. What you want isn't the most common
    request, but they should be able to figure it out anyway. Be
    persistent.
     

    505 licenses work on 506 because that's how the licensing software
    worked at that time. It was a known problem with the licensing code
    that it didn't enforce chargable upgrades. Fixing the code was a large
    project and got put off repeatedly until it was finally done in OSR507.
     

    I doubt it. In fact I'm not sure it's possible; part of the problem was
    that before 507, the license codes didn't encode what release they were
    supposed to apply to. (I realize that this doesn't sound like a
    "problem" to you, but from the perspective of the company trying to sell
    such licenses, it surely is...)
     

    I don't disagree. If I had the power to do so, I would put up ISO
    images on our web site, probably fronted by a dialog that required you
    to enter contact information and promise that you intended to use the
    images only with valid SCO-supplied licenses.
     

    Yep. The company name changes havne't helped. I can't even check that
    right now because neither www.caldera.com nor www.sco.com is responding.
    I don't know if that means we're under some sort of attack at the
    moment, or what.
     

    I have asked the OpenServer product manager to call you.
     
    Bela Guest

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    Default Re: SCO frustration.... Was: Need Openserver 5.0.5 Media Kit

    Bela Lubkin typed (on Mon, Sep 01, 2003 at 08:11:20AM +0000):
    |
    | I'm pretty sure that if you find the right person at SCO, you _can_
    | order obsolete media kits. "The right person" really ought to be anyone
    | you reach on an order phonecall. What you want isn't the most common
    | request, but they should be able to figure it out anyway. Be
    | persistent.

    I see Item CC200-UX74-5.0.6, Release 5.0.6 English Version, in a SCO
    Price List as a built-to-order, non-returnable product. The price may
    have changed, but it was recently $149 (as opposed to $99 for a current
    5.0.7 media kit). Ask any SCO dealer to get this for you.

    --
    JP
    Jean-Pierre Guest

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    On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Eric Wood wrote:
     
    >
    > I understand that there's not much of a diff between 5.0.5 and 5.0.6.
    > However, why does SCO make you think you need to purchase the upgrade?:
    >
    > http://www.unixpress.com/sco/unix/openserver/5/SCOOpenServerUpgrades.html
    >[/ref]
    Guess I'll jump in here since my web page is being referenced: The upgrade
    from 5.0.5 to 5.0.6 IS chargeable (LX261-UX00-5.0 with SRP of $ 299) but
    NOT enforced. In fact this license has "NOSER" for the License Number and
    Activation KEY, indicating you are to use your current (5.0.5) License
    Number and Activation Keys.

    Thank you,
    Lucky

    Lucky Leavell Phone: (800) 481-2393 (US/Canada)
    UniXpress - Your Source for SCO OR: (812) 366-4066
    1560 Zoar Church Road NE FAX: (812) 366-3618
    Corydon, IN 47112-7374 Email: com
    WWW Home Page: http://www.UniXpress.com

    Lucky Guest

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    Default Re: SCO frustration.... Was: Need Openserver 5.0.5 Media Kit

    Jean-Pierre Radley wrote:
     

    Yes, but the subject line says "Need Openserver 5.0.5 Media Kit". Is
    that also available as a built-to-order, non-returnable product?

    (I don't understand, after all these years, why you still cannot see the
    subject lines of news articles.)
     
    Bela Guest

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    Bela Lubkin typed (on Tue, Sep 02, 2003 at 07:18:44AM +0000):
    | Jean-Pierre Radley wrote:
    |
    | > Bela Lubkin typed (on Mon, Sep 01, 2003 at 08:11:20AM +0000):
    | > |
    | > | I'm pretty sure that if you find the right person at SCO, you _can_
    | > | order obsolete media kits. "The right person" really ought to be anyone
    | > | you reach on an order phonecall. What you want isn't the most common
    | > | request, but they should be able to figure it out anyway. Be
    | > | persistent.
    | >
    | > I see Item CC200-UX74-5.0.6, Release 5.0.6 English Version, in a SCO
    | > Price List as a built-to-order, non-returnable product. The price may
    | > have changed, but it was recently $149 (as opposed to $99 for a current
    | > 5.0.7 media kit). Ask any SCO dealer to get this for you.
    |
    | Yes, but the subject line says "Need Openserver 5.0.5 Media Kit". Is
    | that also available as a built-to-order, non-returnable product?

    It's not in the price lists; I've no idea whether SCO would, modulo the
    offer of some $$$, produce it nowadays or not.

    --
    JP
    Jean-Pierre Guest

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